Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

Larry Wildman · 05-07-2014 08:58PM

Sacramento wrote: »

Actually, that's the very definition of hyperbole perfectly demonstrated.

I disagree.

If you asked me to name the worst player pound for pound I've ever seen, I'd cite Fellaini.

He is shocking.

05-07-2014 09:02PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

I disagree.

If you asked me to name the worst player pound for pound I've ever seen, I'd cite Fellaini.

He is shocking.

He's not even Man Utd's worst signing.

IrishIrish · 05-07-2014 09:03PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

I disagree.

If you asked me to name the worst player pound for pound I've ever seen, I'd cite Fellaini.

He is shocking.

FFS he obviously isn't. He just played 90 mins in the quarter final of the world cup. Wasn't particularly great in the game but a long way away from the worst player on the team.

It's obvious you don't like him. But he's not a shocking player. Maybe not at the standard high enough to play for United but still not a shocking player, as he has shown for Everton when he destroyed the apparently superior united players on more than one occasion.

Hococop · 05-07-2014 09:07PM

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as its twitter it could be complete nonsense, but that would change that vidal deal and again its all speculation with that deal

Kylo Ren · 05-07-2014 09:09PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

If you asked me to name the worst player pound for pound I've ever seen, I'd cite Fellaini.

Zico · 05-07-2014 09:11PM

Sacramento wrote: »

He's not even Man Utd's worst signing.

Who was worse?:eek:

05-07-2014 09:12PM

Wtf does pound for pound even mean in football?

umop.episdn · 05-07-2014 09:13PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

I disagree.

If you asked me to name the worst player pound for pound I've ever seen, I'd cite Fellaini.

He is shocking.

Pound for pound.....it has to be Mark "who ate all the pies" Bosnich
A real heavyweight disaster signing

05-07-2014 09:14PM

Zico wrote: »

Who was worse?:eek:

Just off the top of my head I'll name three. Taibi, Kleberson, Djemba Djemba Djemba Djemba etc..

TheTownie · 05-07-2014 09:14PM

Sacramento wrote: »

Well he has to prove he can cut it at Untied. Prove he had more about him then what we saw last season.
I don't think it's fair to call Moyes an awful manager, it didn't work out for him but I definitely don't think he's awful. He has a track record of buying very good players.

I think Fellaini could play the DM role effectively, you don't need to be able to play amazing long balls to play it well. I think he has it in him. Just my opinion. If I'm wrong I'll hold my hands up and admit it.

If someone said to you, I have a player who plays DM. Hes tall, strong, good with his chest and head but has a tendency to use his elbows dangerously when jostling, isn't mobile, isn't energetic, doesn't read the game particularly well.

Is that a player you would say to yourself could play DM effectively in this day and age where a big part of a DM's role is to break up counter attacks and track runners?

Fellaini is not that player. Never has been, never will be.

RichFTW · 05-07-2014 09:15PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

I genuinely believe that Fellaini is pound for pound the worst player I have ever seen.

That is not hyperbole. We're talking about a £28m player.

He looks like some fella who has been plucked from the local pub and stuck into the Manchester United team.

He really is that bad.

Worst United signing ever, no. Pound for pound worst signing, still no. Djemba-Djemba cost 3.5m. Even if it's a relatively low fee, it's still equivalent to United spending 3.5m on me so I would consider that the pound for pound worst signing rather than a player who has shown his worth in the premier league already. Djemba-Djemba was absolute poison. Kleberson wasn't far behind either.

05-07-2014 09:19PM

TheTownie wrote: »

If someone said to you, I have a player who plays DM. Hes tall, strong, good with his chest and head but has a tendency to use his elbows dangerously when jostling, isn't mobile, isn't energetic, doesn't read the game particularly well.

Is that a player you would say to yourself could play DM effectively in this day and age where a big part of a DM's role is to break up counter attacks and track runners?

Fellaini is not that player. Never has been, never will be.

Listen I get that a good few on here think he isn't up to it but I think he is. I've said I'll admit to it if I'm wrong so all you have to do wait until I'm wrong, since you're so sure I will be, then watch me hold my hands up and admit it.

Then we'll all be able to go back to eating Mega Meanies while drinking Score cola. It'll be lovely.

sigmundv · 05-07-2014 09:20PM

Karel Poborsky was a poor signing as well. Does anyone remember how much we paid for him?

On the subject of Fellaini, I don't think he is a central midfielder. He's most useful further forward and in the box, where he can knock headers down to others.

user2011 · 05-07-2014 09:22PM

RvP=Offside, Pound for Pound worst striker

Larry Wildman · 05-07-2014 09:22PM

Sacramento wrote: »

He's not even Man Utd's worst signing.

People don't seem to understand the meaning of "pound for pound". Eric Djemba Djemba cost £3.5m. Marouane Fellaini cost £28m. My view is that on a cost versus quality basis, Fellaini is the worst player I've ever seen. I'm not saying that he's necessarily worse than Ralph Milne or Eric Djemba Djemba in terms of quality alone but "pound for pound" he is the worst I've seen.

Zico · 05-07-2014 09:23PM

Sacramento wrote: »

Just off the top of my head I'll name three. Taibi, Kleberson, Djemba Djemba Djemba Djemba etc..

They were all bargains compared to Fellaini, we didn't pay an extra £3m above an already inflated price for any of them in a panic on the last day of the transfer window.

The club will lose the cost of the those players and then some if Fellaini is offloaded this summer.

There's never been a signing like Fellaini at Utd and it's highly unlikely there will be again. Not his fault but he is the worst signing in Utd's history.

Larry Wildman · 05-07-2014 09:27PM

RichFTW wrote: »

Worst United signing ever, no. Pound for pound worst signing, still no. Djemba-Djemba cost 3.5m. Even if it's a relatively low fee, it's still equivalent to United spending 3.5m on me so I would consider that the pound for pound worst signing rather than a player who has shown his worth in the premier league already. Djemba-Djemba was absolute poison. Kleberson wasn't far behind either.

The point is that if you've a few contenders for worst signing ever and one cost at least eight times as much as the others, it's pretty clear who your "winner" is.

TheTownie · 05-07-2014 09:28PM

Sacramento wrote: »

Listen I get that a good few on here think he isn't up to it but I think he is. I've said I'll admit to it if I'm wrong so all you have to do wait until I'm wrong, since you're so sure I will be, then watch me hold my hands up and admit it.

Then we'll all be able to go back to eating Mega Meanies while drinking Score cola. It'll be lovely.

I'll probably have forgotten we had this conversation by then

Anyway mightn't get that far if reports have a kernel of truth in them. Fellaini may receive the 'Riquelme conversation' from Van Gaal.

Mantis Toboggan · 05-07-2014 09:31PM

Judging by the Dutch performance tonight next season will be "boring boring man United"

Larry Wildman · 05-07-2014 09:32PM

Liam O wrote: »

Wtf does pound for pound even mean in football?

It means taking account of the players' cost.

Djemba Djemba cost £3.5m and was terrible. Marouane Fellaini cost £28m and is terrible.

Who's a worse signing - The terrible player who cost us £3.5m or the terrible player who cost us eight times as much?

Bosnich was free.

UnitedIrishman · 05-07-2014 09:32PM

Buddy Holly wrote: »

Judging by the Dutch performance tonight next season will be "boring boring man United"

That's why it'd be stupid to judge it on one performance.

Larry Wildman · 05-07-2014 09:34PM

sigmundv wrote: »

Karel Poborsky was a poor signing as well. Does anyone remember how much we paid for him?

On the subject of Fellaini, I don't think he is a central midfielder. He's most useful further forward and in the box, where he can knock headers down to others.

£3.5m for Poborsky.

Remember the "Pob Lob" in Euro '96?

The Moldy Gowl · 05-07-2014 09:35PM

How the **** can we compare players pound for pound?
Ridiculous.

IrishIrish · 05-07-2014 09:35PM

Buddy Holly wrote: »

Judging by the Dutch performance tonight next season will be "boring boring man United"

Judging the Dutch by the last 5 minutes United will have a lot of attacks down the right wing next season.

Edit: There will also be a lot of opposition players stretchered off.

sigmundv · 05-07-2014 09:36PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Remember the "Pob Lob" in Euro '96?

I do! He played well that tournament, but never did much for us. He only played 32 matches for us, scoring 5 goals.

Larry Wildman · 05-07-2014 09:37PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

How the **** can we compare players pound for pound?
Ridiculous.

It's not "pound lb"...it's "pound sterling".

How difficult a concept is it that a bad £28m signing is worse than a bad £3.5m signing?

What is ridiculous about that?

The Moldy Gowl · 05-07-2014 09:37PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

It means taking account of the players' cost.

Djemba Djemba cost £3.5m and was terrible. Marouane Fellaini cost £28m and is terrible.

Who's a worse signing - The terrible player who cost us £3.5m or the terrible player who cost us eight times as much?

Bosnich was free.

So was djemba 25 million times not as bad?

sigmundv · 05-07-2014 09:38PM

Buddy Holly wrote: »

Judging by the Dutch performance tonight next season will be "boring boring man United"

Not at all. This is not a boring match and is by far the best of the four quarter-finals.

zarquon · 05-07-2014 09:38PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

How the **** can we compare players pound for pound?
Ridiculous.

Simple business economics. I'm sure the glazers rate players on a per pound basis and wasting £27m on Fellani would have been one of the reasons that Moyes was booted out.

The players might be equally bad but the value for money rating is completely different and therefore a much bigger waste.

NTMK · 05-07-2014 09:40PM

sigmundv wrote: »

Not at all. This is not a boring match and is by far the best of the four quarter-finals.

first one i havent fell asleep to and you have to give it to costa rica theyre ****ing organised on defense

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