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Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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  • #5912
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,395 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    No, the system I'm advocating is similar to that for housing. You should not be able to sell tickets without outline planning permission. Simply put, you must roughly sketch out the basic details of the event, such as planned dates and times and a rough maximum capacity of the arena. This should give the organiser an idea if the event can go ahead in principle. This would be followed up with a detailed application, which would be submitted any time before the event.

    The current system has only the detailed application requiring finalised details. The nature of the business is you can't come up with these details until you know how many exactly are coming, and these plans take time to put together.

    I could see the merits in a system like that with a couple of adjustments. Even provisional approval would need to have detailed input from important stakeholders like AGS, Fire, Ambulance & the RA's.

    I wouldn't trust any promoter to do the right thing off their own back, it should be nailed down on paper.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #5913
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    mbur wrote: »
    ?? So what is the difference? Three gigs or five? It is a crazy decision to only allow three at this late stage.

    Most people don't have to be up for work on a weekend, they do on a Monday and Tuesday and have to try get home again afterwards.


  • #5914
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,395 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    What a stupid question. The GAA has almost no full-time paid officers, it publishes it's accounts and by and large is run petty well. The money it raises from croke park events can be followed through the accounts as it finds its way to clubs across the country.

    The money from croke park does not end up in the hands of private individuals. It's a sporting organisation run for the benefit of the communities in which it exists.

    AFAIK Croke Park is run by a seperate holding company called PCT. I seem to remember them say the funds from these concerts was earmarked for developing London, NYC & other grounds outside of the country.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #5915
    Jamsiek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Jamsiek


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    What a stupid question. The GAA has almost no full-time paid officers, it publishes it's accounts and by and large is run petty well. The money it raises from croke park events can be followed through the accounts as it finds its way to clubs across the country.

    The money from croke park does not end up in the hands of private individuals. It's a sporting organisation run for the benefit of the communities in which it exists.

    It's a perfectly legitimate question, I must have hit a raw nerve there


  • #5916
    Aineoil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Aineoil


    It's a big, huge mess, this whole Gareth Brooks thing.


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  • #5917
    slimjimmc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,783 ✭✭✭slimjimmc


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    Well at the moment planning decisions are concentrated in the hands of one person, the city manager. I don't expect the government to change the law for this concert but it will effect future laws. The planning laws for large outdoor events are unworkable. In order to submit an application you need to know how many are attending and the structure and layout of your temporary structures. How can anyone know that before the tickets are sold?

    Events need some sort of outline planning permission system, so promoters know that there won't be a huge road block in the way for their event.
    Can't you plan for the maximum number of people you expect and get permission on that basis?
    If demand turns out to be lower than expected you've over-spent on unnecessary resources (too many stewards, gardai, etc) but you're still under the max allowed,
    If demand turns out to be higher than you expected then you've underestimated an opportunity but you can't sell more tickets than the max allowed.

    Seems ok to me, it means event organisers need to put more thought into their market.


  • #5918
    onlyme!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭onlyme!


    So theres a cargo ship on its way over with containers of gear etc and GB is looking for 5 gigs or nothing! call the lardass bluff as he's not a very good poker player, he stands to lose a fortuney!

    ....the 3 shows will go ahead

    wondering if pp are taking bets!


  • #5919
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,154 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    GrayFox208 wrote: »
    The line about asking him to pick dates would be like asking him to pick children made me throw up.

    "Garth, out of your 5 kids, we're going to kill these 2"
    "What? I can't choose which ones, kill them all"

    Brilliant analogy there from Garth, and most of his fans are buying it


  • #5920
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    Its not correct to say that the money not spent at the cancelled gigs would be spent in the Irish economy anyway, since it is so easy to import goods and services.
    You know Garth Brooks is American right? Where do you think he is going to run off with all those concert earnings? Wicklow?


  • #5921
    Podge83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Podge83


    Aineoil wrote: »
    It's a big, huge mess, this whole Gareth Brooks thing.

    We all know that. We're just having an intelligent debate on who to blame!


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  • #5922
    onlyme!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭onlyme!


    nobody was asking him to pick dates anyway!


  • #5923
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    No, the system I'm advocating is similar to that for housing. You should not be able to sell tickets without outline planning permission. Simply put, you must roughly sketch out the basic details of the event, such as planned dates and times and a rough maximum capacity of the arena. This should give the organiser an idea if the event can go ahead in principle. This would be followed up with a detailed application, which would be submitted any time before the event.

    The current system has only the detailed application requiring finalised details. The nature of the business is you can't come up with these details until you know how many exactly are coming, and these plans take time to put together.

    Utter rubbish.
    Aiken had sold all the tickets by early early Feb but chose not to even bother submitting a licence application until April 17th.
    Your description of the detail required is purposely misleading, the detail is the same for one concert as it is for five.
    Truth is Aiken tried to ensure that by delaying the application he would force the DCC into granting a licence that it would, under proper consideration of all the factors, not normally grant.
    He bet on using celtic tiger style greed and fear, he lost, and that was a good thing for the state and the city.


  • #5924
    Podge83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Podge83


    Its so sad that it effects so many. And if only there was forethought and discussion early on it could all have been avoided:...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyh0WED8jGo


  • #5925
    mbur
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭mbur


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Most people don't have to be up for work on a weekend, they do on a Monday and Tuesday and have to try get home again afterwards.
    A week arguement:P. Don't forget Wednesday ,Thursday, Friday, the week before and after, Trucks coming and going, lockdowns and delay for up to 17 days I heard one local claim. Again I ask 3 gigs or 5 ? What is the difference? Not much.


  • #5926
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    mbur wrote: »
    ?? So what is the difference? Three gigs or five? It is a crazy decision to only allow three at this late stage.

    Totally agree, it should have been none at all.


  • #5927
    Podge83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Podge83


    Aineoil wrote: »
    It's a big, huge mess, this whole Gareth Brooks thing.

    OK Ok Ok now - no need to get personal. Its true that he's carrying a few kgs but that's going too far!


  • #5928
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,585 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    Utter rubbish.
    Aiken had sold all the tickets by early early Feb but chose not to even bother submitting a licence application until April 17th.
    Your description of the detail required is purposely misleading, the detail is the same for one concert as it is for five.
    Truth is Aiken tried to ensure that by delaying the application he would force the DCC into granting a licence that it would, under proper consideration of all the factors, not normally grant.
    He bet on using celtic tiger style greed and fear, he lost, and that was a good thing for the state and the city.
    he didn't lose as he got 3, not granting the other 2 licences was a bad thing for the city and the state as it means less money coming in that we could do with, its badly needed

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #5929
    nxbyveromdwjpg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    Cienciano wrote: »
    "Garth, out of your 5 kids, we're going to kill these 2"
    "What? I can't choose which ones, kill them all"

    Brilliant analogy there from Garth, and most of his fans are buying it

    You'd almost swear he wanted to play all 5


  • #5930
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Overheal wrote: »
    You know Garth Brooks is American right? Where do you think he is going to run off with all those concert earnings? Wicklow?

    I thought it was obvious that I was referring the spin off revenue, not the concert ticket money.

    Each night of the concert if worth about €10 million to the Dublin economy


  • #5931
    nxbyveromdwjpg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    Overheal wrote: »
    You know Garth Brooks is American right? Where do you think he is going to run off with all those concert earnings? Wicklow?

    Garth himself isnt the only one thats going to make money from these gigs


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  • #5932
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    I thought it was obvious that I was referring the spin off revenue, not the concert ticket money.

    Each night of the concert if worth about €10 million to the Dublin economy

    Taken from elsewhere in the Irish economy. And exported by Garth.


  • #5933
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    I am late getting into this, but if Harney had not called it the Bertie bowl, we would not have this problem, we would have had a state of the art sports center second to none, all lost over cheap sarcastic political point scoring of a failing politician.


  • #5934
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    mbur wrote: »
    A week arguement:P. Don't forget Wednesday ,Thursday, Friday, the week before and after, Trucks coming and going, lockdowns and delay for up to 17 days I heard one local claim. Again I ask 3 gigs or 5 ? What is the difference? Not much.

    Make your mind up, 7 days or 17, which?

    But how and ever, when the trucks are coming and going the roads and area aren't closed off or thronged with thousands of people.


  • #5935
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    Utter rubbish.
    Aiken had sold all the tickets by early early Feb but chose not to even bother submitting a licence application until April 17th.
    Your description of the detail required is purposely misleading, the detail is the same for one concert as it is for five.
    Truth is Aiken tried to ensure that by delaying the application he would force the DCC into granting a licence that it would, under proper consideration of all the factors, not normally grant.
    He bet on using celtic tiger style greed and fear, he lost, and that was a good thing for the state and the city.

    You're obviously not involved in every sending anything into the planning office. The truth is it is always left to the very last minute as it allows for the most changes to be made to the application. In theory it reduces risk for the promoter as the granting of the licence was always seen as a formality.

    Clearly not the case any more.


  • #5936
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Busted Flat. wrote: »
    I am late getting into this, but if Harney had not called it the Bertie bowl, we would not have this problem, we would have had a state of the art sports center second to none, all lost over cheap sarcastic political point scoring of a failing politician.

    Completely agree, we would have a brand new stadium with decent road and rail links, Like a proper city.


  • #5937
    Podge83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Podge83


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Completely agree, we would have a brand new stadium with decent road and rail links, Like a proper city.

    Yeah, but we wouldn't have Quinns, The Red Parrot, Gaffneys, Meaghers, The Big Tree, The Fluther Good (or whatever its called now), Gills, The Hogan Stand, Kavanaghs, Kennedys, et all - we wouldn't all fit in the Bell!!!


  • #5938
    Peppa Pig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Peppa Pig


    Well it's finally hit the world's media, as predicted.

    K-Law 101, Oklahoma's best country music station has the refusal of 2 licences as it's 7th story, only being beaten by such globally important stories as "Five Safety Tips for Your Pets this Fourth of July" and pictures of "Artists Wearing the American Flag". Top story in Oklahoma country circles is the news that Lonestar have reformed and are bringing out a new album.

    The people of his own state don't give a toss about this, much less the decision makers on investing in Ireland inc.

    K-Law 101 Oklahoma's Best Country


  • #5939
    nxbyveromdwjpg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    JRant wrote: »
    The only person who is cancelling anything is GB himself. The other 2 concerts never existed in the first place as no license was granted.

    So let's say.. Electric Picnic this September, that doesn't exist?


  • #5940
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,154 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    As I said, the fans are buying Garth's idiotic statement:
    nm wrote: »
    You'd almost swear he wanted to play all 5


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  • #5941
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    end of the road wrote: »
    he didn't lose as he got 3, not granting the other 2 licences was a bad thing for the city and the state as it means less money coming in that we could do with, its badly needed

    Yada yada yada, The city and the state are no longer for sale Bertie, your day is past! And your corrupt and greedy attitude is no longer wanted.


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