Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

Cienciano · 04-07-2014 11:30AM

Caliden wrote: »

It's laughable to think that Aiken didn't have some sort of plan B in place.

I agree. They should have had a second venue like punchestown they could have moved a few days later.

Rasheed · 04-07-2014 11:30AM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Y'see this is exactly the impression many people in Dublin have. If rural folk want him over so badly then stick him on in McHale Park or Lissadell and leave us in peace from his utterly rubbish music.

I can only talk for my little county and I seem to be the only one that will be left here that weekend so there'll be many a contrary Hoor if all is cancelled. Can't say I'm a fan, he was before my time but his music isn't that bad. He's no Mike Denver anyway...

'Rural folk' has no say on where he was performing. I'm sure he'd be very welcome in the Hyde, McHale park, Markievicz park etc but, alas, there isn't the capacity.

Can't understand the hate some people have for him/ his music.

bucketybuck · 04-07-2014 11:30AM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

Agreed, but they and all parties should've seen this coming and sorted it out months ago

DCC should not have to second guess if somebody is going to apply for a licence or not, its not up to them to monitor the business practices of Aiken promotions.

Should there really be somebody from DCC ringing Aikens to say
"We seen in the paper there that you want to do a concert, don't forget to give us a shout there about an auld licence will ya!"

They take the applications as they get them, and thats how it should be.

Faolchu · 04-07-2014 11:32AM

Valetta wrote: »

Found it for you.

That would mean that pretty much every concert premoter could be considered to have broken the law when tickets/adverts are put up because it seems to me its standard practice to advertise prior to a license being granted

Valetta · 04-07-2014 11:34AM

Faolchu wrote: »

That would mean that pretty much every concert premoter could be considered to have broken the law when tickets/adverts are put up because it seems to me its standard practice to advertise prior to a license being granted

Correct.

hynesie08 · 04-07-2014 11:34AM

Faolchu wrote: »

That would mean that pretty much every concert premoter could be considered to have broken the law when tickets/adverts are put up because it seems to me its standard practice to advertise prior to a license being granted

Pretty much, One of those beautiful laws where it was just easier for everyone to ignore it. I'll hazard a guess it will be changed quickly enough.

Valetta · 04-07-2014 11:35AM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

The anger that people have at Brooks here is seriously misplaced. He is as much a victim here as the residents and tickets holders are.

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How is he a victim, when he, through his agents flouted the law?

paddyirish23 · 04-07-2014 11:36AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

DCC should not have to second guess if somebody is going to apply for a licence or not, its not up to them to monitor the business practices of Aiken promotions.

Should there really be somebody from DCC ringing Aikens to say
"We seen in the paper there that you want to do a concert, don't forget to give us a shout there about an auld licence will ya!"

They take the applications as they get them, and thats how it should be.

If they've sold 400000 tickets then there's no need to second guess that someone would be applying for a licence, it's just common sense
and yes Aikens are largely at fault but more so the planning laws here. DCC were wrong to grant any of the 3 concerts, let alone 5 so now they have opened the door to more down the line

smileyj1987 · 04-07-2014 11:37AM

TheZohan wrote: »

For sale:
4 Gareth Brooks tickets
Genuine reason for sale.
Will consider swap.

Monday or Tuesday night tickets ?

hynesie08 · 04-07-2014 11:37AM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

If they've sold 400000 tickets then there's no need to second guess that someone would be applying for a licence, it's just common sense
and yes Aikens are largely at fault but more so the planning laws here. DCC were wrong to grant any of the 3 concerts, let alone 5 so now they have opened the door to more down the line

Wouldn't common sense be applying for a license BEFORE selling 400,000 tickets.

lambayire · 04-07-2014 11:38AM

A couple of questions regarding planning.

For a normal sporting event at Croke Park or the Aviva, is planning permission required?

And then to take it a step further, occasionally a last minute sports event might be needed.
Say a second or third replay at Croke Park (think Dublin v Meath in 1991) or maybe a play-off at The Aviva for the World Cup or European Championships.

Sometimes those dates aren’t confirmed until quite late on.

What’s the deal with planning for these?

realdanbreen · 04-07-2014 11:38AM

What am I supposed to do with 6000 Pink Stetson hats and 10000 Tee shirts?:mad:

Faolchu · 04-07-2014 11:38AM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Wouldn't common sense be applying for a license BEFORE selling 400,000 tickets.

yeah but then the cat would get out of the bag and they wouldnt be able to have a "surprise" announcement of the concerts

paddyirish23 · 04-07-2014 11:38AM

Valetta wrote: »

How is he a victim, when he, through his agents flouted the law?

He never asked for 5, i think you need to point the finger of blame to aikens on this one, Plus this law means anyone applying for a licences can't sell tickets until it's approved, that's just unrealistic in most cases

OldGoat · 04-07-2014 11:39AM

Penn wrote: »

Plus it's also very likely that the Council would have come to the same decision even if no objections were raised. It's their job to take the rights of the local residents into consideration even if the residents didn't raise objections.

True enough. The council refused planning to Croke Park for an extension of the SkyWalk tour hours as it would have a negative impact on the residents. Sorry, can't quote source at the moment but it's public info on the Councils planning database.

slimjimmc · 04-07-2014 11:39AM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

The blame here lies with the licensing laws process and also with foolish concessions and deals being given to residents down the years.

No, the blame here lies with ignoring the licensing laws process, historically by both the organisers and the planners which led to custom and practice.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

then they should have all went off and made sure that legislation is put in place so that tickets can not be sold to events in which licenses have not yet been granted for.

It's already an offence to promote an event without a licence, selling tickets is promoting an event.
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2000/en/act/pub/0030/sec0230.html

Heck this thread is hopping

bucketybuck · 04-07-2014 11:40AM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

If they've sold 400000 tickets then there's no need to second guess that someone would be applying for a licence, it's just common sense

Doesn't matter if they have sold four tickets or four million, DCC don't process a licence application until they actually get a licence application. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

smileyj1987 · 04-07-2014 11:41AM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

He never asked for 5, i think you need to point the finger of blame to aikens on this one, Plus this law means anyone applying for a licences can't sell tickets until it's approved, that's just unrealistic in most cases

Exactly , didn't peter Aiken state last night it was originally supposed to be 2 gigs . Then a 3rd , 4th and 5th was added . So em yeah Garthy can have no complaints about this at all . He has gotten an extra night over the 2 gigs that where originally agreed .

Pinch Flat · 04-07-2014 11:41AM

realdanbreen wrote: »

What am I supposed to do with 6000 Pink Stetson hats and 10000 Tee shirts?:mad:

Tell me about it. Had 100,000 pairs of fake snake skin cowboy boots on order from china. My retirement plan is in tatters

Valetta · 04-07-2014 11:42AM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

He never asked for 5, i think you need to point the finger of blame to aikens on this one, Plus this law means anyone applying for a licences can't sell tickets until it's approved, that's just unrealistic in most cases

Aikens are working on behalf of Garth Crooks, so he, or his representatives are ultimately responsible for the cock-up.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 04-07-2014 11:43AM

Penn wrote: »

If it should never be allowed to happen again, why should it be allowed to happen once?

Does that really need answering? Because it's done now, it's too late and it will cost us a fortune and put out over 160,000 people to cancel them.

I'm all for changing the process so it doesn't happen again in future btw.

Penn wrote: »

Two Garth Brooks concerts weren't going to solve our economic problems. Not even close. A small bump, nothing more.

Absolutely ridiculous standpoint, several millions cannot be disregarded because it doesn't clear the national debt. It's still millions of euros that the country needs and could use.

Penn wrote: »

And neither the GAA, Aiken or Brooks cared about the money or tourism it'd bring to Dublin. They cared only about the money it'd bring to themselves, as is plainly evident by Brooks threatening to cancel all the concerts.

Who cares what they care about? It is what it is, and now it should be dealt with in a manner with as little impact to the majority of people as possible (which is letting it go ahead, 160k+ v 350), and then move on and change things going forward as needs be.

Or is this about 'getting back' at the GAA and Aikens?

John_Rambo · 04-07-2014 11:44AM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

Block up the streets, have a big singsong until late at night, maybe have a sound system and blare out some Garth, some chants running down the residents and maybe a couple of cans for good measure.

Its not like it would ever happen but in an ideal world who knows.

Backtracking from violent threats to this?

And people wonder why there's calls for all of the concerts to be banned. You're doing real Garth Brooks fans no favours with your little agenda here Nox.

hynesie08 · 04-07-2014 11:44AM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

He never asked for 5, i think you need to point the finger of blame to aikens on this one, Plus this law means anyone applying for a licences can't sell tickets until it's approved, that's just unrealistic in most cases

Minute one of day one Garth was saying in interviews "If they want 5, We'll give them 5" This was always the plan.

NTMK · 04-07-2014 11:45AM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

The blame here lies with the licensing laws process and also with foolish concessions and deals being given to residents down the years. I could understand if there was a max of a dozen nights that Croke Park could stage concerts and maybe no more than three in a row, but the current deal is a a non-sense as it is far too small a number these days, especially when you consider that Dublin does not have another stadium with similar capacity.

The Blame lies with Aitken/the GAA and no one else. They decided to promote the gigs before getting the licenses and they decided to submitt the application at the last minute to force a decision from the DCC and it backfired

as for the current deal being too little wembley has only 5 gigs this year and 4 last year and its in a much larger city than Dublin

they should have all went off and made sure that legislation is put in place so that tickets can not be sold to events in which licenses have not yet been granted for.

It already exists its not enforced

No regard has been given to the 160,000 tickets holders here, the accommodation and transport they most likely have paid for, nor indeed Brook's management who have obviously been working away arranging and organizing the logistics of putting on these concerts. It may not even be possible for them to scale all that has been put in motion to cater for five nights, down to three. A mess all round but the decisions to handle the mess are a far bigger calamity than the one which led to it.

its not the DCC's problem Aitken should have followed the law and applied before they sold 400K tickets

Its a mess but its Aitkens and the GAA's own fault

Tipsy McSwagger · 04-07-2014 11:47AM

Is this Ireland's 9/11?

smileyj1987 · 04-07-2014 11:48AM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Minute one of day one Garth was saying in interviews "If they want 5, We'll give them 5" This was always the plan.

Peter Aiken said last night on rte they expected to put on 2 gigs at the beginning .

gandalf · 04-07-2014 11:50AM

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Peter Aiken said last night on rte they expected to put on 2 gigs at the beginning .

Complete and utter bollix, I reckon that the five were planned all along. Fecking chancers along with the GAA.

jack presley · 04-07-2014 11:51AM

The saddest thing in all this is that I can't get that f&#king 'friends in low places' song out of my head.

knird evol · 04-07-2014 11:51AM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

Block up the streets, have a big singsong until late at night, maybe have a sound system and blare out some Garth, some chants running down the residents and maybe a couple of cans for good measure.

That's nice. You'd be safe in a big crowd nox.

Why don't you go down to Clonliffe Road now. By yourself. Find some bloke that lives there and push him around. Break his car mirrors. You can film your little revenge mission and post a link up.

dixiefly · 04-07-2014 11:52AM

Faolchu wrote: »

yeah but then the cat would get out of the bag and they wouldnt be able to have a "surprise" announcement of the concerts

I agree, it might mean that the smart practices in ticket selling wont apply.

Do you remember with the Bruce concerts, sell Wednesday and Thursday first and suck in the die hard fans and then release Friday & Saturday resulting in those that buy the midweek tickets having to take time off work etc.

It will be better for the fans if ALL gigs are announced at the same time giving them more flexibility in arrangements.

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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