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Losing / Gaining Shots : The mental side of things

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,518 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Wombatman wrote: »
    Players who go for it within reason have a better chance of posting big scores than player who "lay up\ bail out". They also have more nightmare scores obviously.

    Looking at the par three lay up scenario, maybe numbers might work out like this in the long run.

    DB+ DB Bo Par Bird Ace
    Go for it 10 20 35 25 9 1
    Lay up 3 20 55 20 2 0

    On the days when the 'go for it guy' does well he is in a better position to win competitions. His scores will fluctuate more than 'lay up guy', who will post a better scores more often, but rarely great scores.

    Do you want to be a league or a cup golfer?
    Anyone can win the cup, good teams win the league :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,015 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Do you want to be a league or a cup golfer?
    Anyone can win the cup, good teams win the league :)

    Great teams win both.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 802 ✭✭✭m r c


    Great teams win both.


    Great comments get thanked ;-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    Aggressive golf will also bring quicker handicap reductions. The aggressive golfer will get a lot of .1s back but also frequent big cuts. The cut amounts are in most cases bigger than the increases (.1) and are per stroke, so the good days when things go well more than balance out the bad days. There is also the chance of an ESR cut, which is an added incentive to pay for the big score.

    The conservative golfer will have fewer bad days and increases. They will however spend more time in the buffer zone and see a slower reduction as their conservative play will reduce the chances of big scores and big cuts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,518 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Wombatman wrote: »
    Aggressive golf will also bring quicker handicap reductions. The aggressive golfer will get a lot of .1s back but also frequent big cuts. The cut amounts are in most cases bigger than the increases (.1) and are per stroke, so the good days when things go well more than balance out the bad days. There is also the chance of an ESR cut, which is an added incentive to pay for the big score.

    The conservative golfer will have fewer bad days and increases. They will however spend more time in the buffer zone and see a slower reduction as their conservative play will reduce the chances of big scores and big cuts.

    I disagree it brings bigger cuts. It can bring bigger cuts than conservative golf but it's highly unlikely. Otherwise we wouldn't have lads struggling off handicaps more than 18 and still increasing!

    Until you can comfortably play to your handicap, leave the aggressive golf to someone else.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,015 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    GreeBo wrote: »
    I disagree it brings bigger cuts. It can bring Buffett cuts than conservative golf but it's highly unlikely. Otherwise we wouldn't have lads struggling off handicaps not than 18 and still increasing!

    Until you can comfortably play to your handicap, leave the aggressive golf to someone else.

    Your calling going for greens in regulation aggressive golf. Perhaps for somebody over 18 it is.

    But it isn't for the majority of golfers on here.

    It is the definition of aggressive is the problem.

    I go for every green in regulation - but I rarely take on a shot, I can't do 7/10 times. Aggressive is relative to the individual.
    I still maintain that , on some occasions you have to take on shots that you are 50 / 50 on, but on these shots you have looked at the outcome of the bad result.

    The format of golf being proposed here is passive golf. In particular laying up on a par 3. It is a format of golf that 9/10 (yes made up) but a guess from playing golf with many others - that very few would get any enjoyment out of.

    Is there any point in playing a game with all the enjoyment taken out of it. I'd even add to that , drifting up to 13 versus 12, then you get a sudden drop, great - I honestly would rather go to 13 then play 10 rounds of golf like that, all the birdies you missed , eagle chance - even a bloody hole in one chance. Are you honestly (joking here) going to say on your death bed , layed up on a par 3 once , every week for a year :eek:. Sorry, life is honestly too short , take a chance.

    Particularly when you are talking about a .1 , it is just a .1.
    No point in ruining your enjoyment of your round, for something that is uncertain to get you somewhere.

    We should all go out to play regulation golf. Resolve issue if you can't. This (non gir golf) has its merits , but for extreme circumstances - or somebody happy with their lot.

    This idea of non GIR golf , holds you back , you don't actually know where your game is or going, you need to know how your 5 iron is going, on a good round you test your 4 iron, your game is being tested and probed all the time, feedback into this crazy game we love, going a few months playing the same course and holes the same way for months on end , will get you good at that exact sequence. This is feck all use when you have a new course and a 30 mph cross wind. I'd say you would crumble.

    Use above method. (non gir golf)
    On the rare few holes - the hardest in the country
    If you have tried everything and can't resolve swing issue
    Are willing to hold onto a handicap , but suffer enjoyment loss
    Play the one course every time and have no plans to test yourself.
    Are over 18 handicap and want to drop initially

    Don't use above
    If you want to enjoy the game , see where you can get to
    If you plan on testing yourself on different courses , conditions
    If you have feel for shot making , or imagination with shot types

    Anyway - we are going in circles,

    But don't give up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭benny79


    I agree with fixed here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭GCW


    Personally I'd like to leave the aul lad golf for when I'm an aul lad. If I'm fortunate enough to still be playing when I'm a codger, then 190yd drives followed by 150yd 7 woods a pitch and 2 putts might float my boat but now... I'll strive for perfect golf while it's in me and if i make an 8 it will be forgotten about & replaced with memories of stitching 5i or 3w for an eagle putt for the one time in 11 it happens.

    If you're handicap chasing then yeah, you should pussy out on that rare shot you get at playing a tough hole better than most pros would have.


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