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Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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  • #5102
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    Johnny_Fontane wrote: »
    Again, for the umpteenth time (and as a moderator you'd think that you might read some of the previous posts). Residents never wanted money and were never going to be given money. Residents have access through a draw scheme for 100 paid of tickets per concert (no tickets for GAA games). I have been living here since 08 and got pulled once.

    Do you really think this is about money and tickets?

    GAA and croke Park have only themselves to blame. They got greedy and are now getting their just desserts. Padraig McHale, head of croke Park is the man you need to point your vitriol at. His job is like most commercial enterprises, to make a profit. He reckoned on 8 gigs this year even though he knew the agreement (whilst verbal or written). He must have known the risk. If you look at the statement from the DCC, they mention the agreement that was in place with the residents, that it was a major factor.

    So please people, lets stick to facts here. This was a planning decision that the GAA and Aiken got badly wrong. They should be your focus.

    Ridiculous comment about old Trafford. 19 games a year at home and a couple of cup matches over 10 months. Croke Park has far more games per month from mar-oct. Try put a gig on there for 5 nights in a Row!
    If you're going to "stick to the facts" then you should at least restate that the season at Old Trafford starts in August and ends at the end of May, 19 league games, at least 3 European matches, at least 1 cup match, at least 1 league cup match, possible parades, rugby league finals, charity football matches, testimonials etc. That isn't even including the cricket matches about a five minute walk down the road!

    I think it's about money personally, from all of the interviews I've heard from the residents association, it has been about money. Everything from the value of houses to the "measly" €500,000 being offered to the residents. This is my only gripe about all of this, I couldn't give a fiddlers about Garth Brooks in honesty.

    I have a couple of questions for you, do you think that the city manager regrets his decision at this moment in time and do you think it will be overturned on appeal?


  • #5103
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    cournioni wrote: »
    I think it's about money personally, from all of the interviews I've heard from the residents association, it has been about money.

    It's not, but OK, if that's what you want to believe, it's AAALLLLL about de compo. Yes that's it.


  • #5104
    wicklowwonder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭wicklowwonder


    Tarzana wrote: »
    Fairview is very near actually, certainly as far as traffic issues go.

    I have no opinion on the matter by the way just letting you know. If you draw a circle from fairview with croker in the middle you can why 27k "people" would be effected. Don't forget residents also assuming 3 or 4 per household and all households are occupied.

    I used to live beside the canal in the apartments between croker and Drumcondra. Never bothered me as I knew the stadium was there when I moved in but if I was moving to fairview or grace park I probably wouldn't even think of the stadium and sure the landlord/estate agent wouldn't tell.

    Anyway as I say I am just an interested spectator,no feelings either way just curious see what effects it all has in future events and Ireland in general.


  • #5105
    Johnny_Fontane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭Johnny_Fontane


    Tarzana wrote: »
    It's not, but OK, if that's what you want to believe, it's AAALLLLL about de compo. Yes that's it.

    It's astonishing that people genuinely think this is about money for us. You just can't win sometimes.


  • #5106
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    I think I'm finally burned out from this thread. :) Not necessarily from any of my recent interactions, just I think I've said all I want to and need to say and I'll just be repeating myself soon, if I'm not already doing so. Anyway, it's been spirited. Will be interesting to see what happens next. Sayonara!


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  • #5107
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,962 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    cournioni wrote: »
    I have a couple of questions for you, do you think that the city manager regrets his decision at this moment in time and do you think it will be overturned on appeal?

    I can't see this decision being overturned on appeal considering that the promoter broke the law in the first place by selling tickets without having (first) applied for a license. The license was only applied for in April! You'd have to wonder what the promoter was playing at? Reckless?

    To sell tickets for an event without having first applied for a license (note you do not have to have the license actually granted...just applied for) is against the law.


  • #5108
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    Tarzana wrote: »
    It's not, but OK, if that's what you want to believe, it's AAALLLLL about de compo. Yes that's it.
    As an agnostic, it is very hard to make me believe something, but the CPRA reps did. Maybe you should have a word with them.


  • #5109
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    cournioni wrote: »
    I have a couple of questions for you, do you think that the city manager regrets his decision at this moment in time and do you think it will be overturned on appeal?

    To the first question, NO.
    To the second question, there is no appeal process, they can go to court but
    a) That would take time and,
    b) It is difficult to see what grounds they would have to legally challenge the decision.


  • #5110
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    wicklowwonder wrote: »
    Residents as far as fairview and grace park road consider themselves effected, hence the massive figure.

    Ridiculous.

    Why are Pearse Street residents not up in arms about the o2?
    Why are Ballinteer and Rathfarnham residents not up in arms about gigs in Marley?

    Whatever about immediate vicinity, these 'residents' affected by a bit traffic or whatever should be told where to go.


  • #5111
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Well GB has been shown for the greedy hypocritical bollix that he is now.
    Truth is it was always "all about the money" for him, the GAA , and Aiken.
    They never gave a flying fuk about the fans, the residents, or anyone else.


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  • #5112
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    secman wrote: »
    The BBC is a disgrace, just did a search on their news app and not a bleedin mention of this world news, not a bleedin sniff of it, and them our nearest neighbours, absolutely disgusting.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-28144918


  • #5113
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,962 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    nm wrote: »
    Why are Ballinteer and Rathfarnham residents not up in arms about gigs in Marley?

    I live 100m from the entrance of Marley Park. There are 8 concerts this summer (one tonight) but the capacity is only 20,000 and concerts are staggered. The other factor is that we don't have to deal with 80,000 people attending GAA fixtures!

    The other critical part, from a legal point of view, is that at least MCD have the cop on to actually apply for a license first...before selling tickets!


  • #5114
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    DOCARCH wrote: »
    I live 100m from the entrance of Marley Park. There are 8 concerts this summer (one tonight) but the capacity is only 20,000 and concerts are staggered. The other factor is that we don't have to deal with 80,000 people attending GAA fixtures!

    The capacity for the current gigs in Marley is 32k, there are more than 8 this summer and there is 3 in row for Latitude at least.
    DOCARCH wrote: »
    The other critical part, from a legal point of view, is that at least MCD have the cop on to actually apply for a license first...before selling tickets!

    No they don't, will everyone stop citing this 'fact' when it's absolute rubbish and all outdoor gigs like this are pre-sold subject to licence.

    I'm looking at my Arctic Monkeys ticket for Marley right now 'SUBJECT TO LICENCE' quite clearly printed on it. It's common practice and prior to this GB fiasco DCC have only rejected one application for a license in 30 years so you can understand why.


  • #5115
    paddyirish23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭paddyirish23


    nm wrote: »
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-28144918

    Let the croker game begin. .. someone is gonna call bluff interesting stuff! !


  • #5116
    DOCARCH
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    nm wrote: »
    The capacity for the current gigs in Marley is 32k, there are 8 this summer and there is 3 in row for Latitude at least.

    There are only 8 concerts this summer...fact. The max. capacity may be 32K but many/most of the concerts are limited to 20K.
    nm wrote: »
    I'm looking at my Arctic Monkeys ticket for Marley right now 'SUBJECT TO LICENCE' quite clearly printed on it.

    Yes, but the critical thing is that MCD applied for the license in January, prior to them announcing dates and selling you your ticket, in compliance with the law.

    That's why I can't see the Monday and Tuesday GB dates going ahead if the promoter (risks) going to the courts as the promoter applied for a license 2 months after selling the tickets!


  • #5117
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    nm wrote: »
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-28144918


    It's a bleedin disgrace Joe. Nothin at all on the BBC about it. Don't they realise the agony we are goin through. It's Saipan all over again Joe


  • #5118
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    nm wrote: »
    The capacity for the current gigs in Marley is 32k, there are more than 8 this summer and there is 3 in row for Latitude at least.



    No they don't, will everyone stop citing this 'fact' when it's absolute rubbish and all outdoor gigs like this are pre-sold subject to licence.

    I'm looking at my Arctic Monkeys ticket for Marley right now 'SUBJECT TO LICENCE' quite clearly printed on it. It's common practice and prior to this GB fiasco DCC have only rejected one application for a license in 30 years so you can understand why.
    The subject to licence you see on your ticket refers to a licence already applied for before the tickets went on sale.
    In the case of the GB concerts, the tickets were sold without the licence application having been made, which is illegal.


  • #5119
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,816 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    cournioni wrote: »
    Because each of those 27000 people are directly affected? Give me a break.

    How many households does that figure affect?

    I'd say there would easilly be 1000 houses affected. 1000 houses isn't that many. There's a few hundred on the roads that directly connect.


  • #5120
    paddyirish23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭paddyirish23


    That's why I can't see the Monday and Tuesday GB dates going ahead if the promoter (risks) going to the courts as the promoter applied for a license 2 months after selling the tickets![/quote]

    Looks like it's all our nothing now let's see does money talk now!!


  • #5121
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    To the first question, NO.
    To the second question, there is no appeal process, they can go to court but
    a) That would take time and,
    b) It is difficult to see what grounds they would have to legally challenge the decision.

    That won't stop the barristers seeing if they can get their Barbados expenses out of the situation.
    A challenge could be made to the authority of the City Manager on some ground or other. Aiken and co are going to turn up the heat by threatening total cancellation. Then the commercial/financial interests will put the pressure on Kenny and the Dublin FG ministers


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  • #5122
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    cournioni wrote: »
    As an agnostic, it is very hard to make me believe something, but the CPRA reps did. Maybe you should have a word with them.

    "Agnostic

    One of God's greatest gifts is unanswered prayers"


  • #5123
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    Reformed Character wrote: »
    The subject to licence you see on your ticket refers to a licence already applied for before the tickets went on sale.
    In the case of the GB concerts, the tickets were sold without the licence application having been made, which is illegal.
    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Yes, but the critical thing is that MCD applied for the license in January, prior to them announcing dates and selling you your ticket, in compliance with the law.

    So you're telling me that they just need to apply before they can sell tickets, irrespective of the outcome?

    That makes no sense, although, that's doesn't mean it's not true I suppose with some of our laws.
    Can you link me to a source? Genuinely interested.


  • #5124
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,962 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    nm wrote: »
    So you're telling me that they just need to apply before they can sell tickets, irrespective of the outcome?

    Yes...that's the law. The source is somewhere in the Planning & Development Acts...which I do not have to hand!!!


  • #5125
    Butsymarc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 ✭Butsymarc


    This threath of total cancellation is the biggest bluff ever. Who would turn their back on 240,000 tickets sold? 1D did well from 3 nights and they have to split it 5 ways.


  • #5126
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Yes...that's the law. The source is somewhere in the Planning & Development Acts...which I do not have to hand!!!

    Well it's all here and I don't see it http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2001/en/si/0154.html


  • #5127
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    Butsymarc wrote: »
    This threath of total cancellation is the biggest bluff ever. Who would turn their back on 240,000 tickets sold? 1D did well from 3 nights and they have to split it 5 ways.

    He's upped the stakes for the sake of the Dublin 160,000 !


  • #5128
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Well if its all or nothing, then its nothing as they don't have a licence for all and cant get one.


  • #5129
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    Well if its all or nothing, then its nothing as they don't have a licence for all and cant get one.

    A fantastic win 'for the people' :rolleyes:


  • #5130
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Hmmm all or nothing, hmmm Garth thats a really tough decision............ok nothing! Now **** off with yer ****e music!!! :D


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  • #5131
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Yes...that's the law. The source is somewhere in the Planning & Development Acts...which I do not have to hand!!!

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2001/en/si/0154.html

    Any event with an audience of 5,000. So events like Dublin city marathon, festivals along the Liffey etc also apply.

    Concerts are arranged 'subject to licence'.

    Has anyone linked the agreement the residents refer to?


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