Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

Optimalprimerib · 04-07-2014 05:25AM

I am not reading through the thread to find the answer but Jamsiek, are you a resident? The last page consists entirely of you defending the residents.

I myself am disappointed yhey were cancelled. The revenue the concerts would bring would be collosal.

cournioni · 04-07-2014 05:29AM

Jamsiek wrote: »

They have turned down compensation

Again, this has been argued and refuted many many times

They will be in the country anyway so the difference won't be as much as many people think

From what I heard, the threat to sue was for the concerts to be changed or reduced. This has been done without any court action and no compensation was offered.

1. They turned down the €500,000, tickets and jobs. If they are looking to sue, it means that they are looking for more money.

2. It has been refuted many times but it still stands as a very good point. Why live in an area where the biggest stadium in the country is located if you cannot deal with the issues it brings?

3. They may not bother traveling to the country at all if the gigs are cancelled. The amount money that 70000 people from abroad could put into our economy could be huge.

4. See point 1.

04-07-2014 05:53AM

cournioni wrote: »

1. They turned down the €500,000, tickets and jobs. If they are looking to sue, it means that they are looking for more money.
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It means that they are looking to enforce the original deal with the GAA, ie three major non-football events a year. Its a football stadium after all and they put up with plenty of disruption because of the football without complaint.
This is the typical way things get done here, come to a deal when the place is being built, then push like hell every year to destroy it; eight events this year, twelve next etc.
The argument that the concert is good for the country is nonsense. The GAA and the promoter have a responsibility to ensure that they operate fully within the law. This all smacks of " arrange everything so big that nobody, courts, regulator etc would dare to stand in the way at the last minute" strategy.

Tarzana · 04-07-2014 05:53AM

cournioni wrote: »

Croke Park residents were offered jobs at the event, tickets for the event and a fund of €500,000 had been put together for those "inconvenienced".

Hmmm, a close relation of mine wasn't offered ANY of these things, and she lives on one of the street right by Croke Park, as in Croker is about 200m down her street. Not that she has any interest in "de compo". The €500,000 was rejected but even if it wasn't, it's not like all households get an envelope full of money through their door. Why would being "offered jobs at the event" be seen as a good thing anyway? How would that make the situation better?

And do you honestly think CP/Aiken are going to offer many free tickets for the event? They distribute a very small amount of free tickets.

As for the ploughing championships. Worse road infrastructure, yes, but it's generally set in far less densely populated areas.

Tarzana · 04-07-2014 05:58AM

Degag wrote: »

And the Arctic Monkeys are frikking awesome ain't they?

Ha hahahahaha ha ha, most ridiculous comparison of the evening. Thanks for the lulz. :pac::D

cournioni · 04-07-2014 06:05AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It means that they are looking to enforce the original deal with the GAA, ie three major non-football events a year. Its a football stadium after all and they put up with plenty of disruption because of the football without complaint.
This is the typical way things get done here, come to a deal when the place is being built, then push like hell every year to destroy it; eight events this year, twelve next etc.
The argument that the concert is good for the country is nonsense. The GAA and the promoter have a responsibility to ensure that they operate fully within the law. This all smacks of " arrange everything so big that nobody, courts, regulator etc would dare to stand in the way at the last minute" strategy.

Three events doesn't necessarily mean three concerts though, an event can be week long.

Again, they chose to live beside the biggest stadium in the country, "putting up" with football and hurling matches played in it shouldn't be on the agenda at all.

The major issue is that people in this country always have something to moan about. In this instance the residents are pissed off because a stadium that has been beside them prior to them being born wants to make money. They just want a good piece of the action or they'll spoil the party for everybody else.

Amirani · 04-07-2014 06:11AM

cournioni wrote: »

The major issue is that people in this country always have something to moan about. In this instance the residents are pissed off because a stadium that has been beside them prior to them being born wants to make money. They just want a good piece of the action or they'll spoil the party for everybody else.

What do you think Dublin City Council's motivation is based on their judgement? Or An Bord Pleanala when they set the 3 event limit?

Tarzana · 04-07-2014 06:11AM

cournioni wrote: »

1. They turned down the €500,000, tickets and jobs.

What jobs and tickets are you wittering on about, seriously? You're talking like every household in the area gets these things. I'd be surprised of the number of free tickets given out exceeded 100. And "offered jobs"? Errrr, people might not, ya know, want a job at the concert. They might, shock horror, already have jobs?

Galwayguy35 · 04-07-2014 06:12AM

Jamsiek wrote: »

They have turned down compensation

Again, this has been argued and refuted many many times

They will be in the country anyway so the difference won't be as much as many people think

From what I heard, the threat to sue was for the concerts to be changed or reduced. This has been done without any court action and no compensation was offered.

Actually a fella from the residents association said they will still be meeting with their legal team.

Galwayguy35 · 04-07-2014 06:15AM

Tarzana wrote: »

What jobs and tickets are you wittering on about, seriously? You're taking like every household in the area gets these things. I'd be surprised of the number of free tickets given out exceeded 100. And "offered jobs"? Errrr, people might not, ya know, want a job at the concert. They might, shock horror, already have jobs?

I reckon there is 160,000 very disappointed people waking up this morning who reckon they should get nothing at all.

cournioni · 04-07-2014 06:17AM

Tarzana wrote: »

Hmmm, a close relation of mine wasn't offered ANY of these things, and she lives on one of the street right by Croke Park, as in Croker is about 200m down her street. Not that she has any interest in "de compo". The €500,000 was rejected but even if it wasn't, it's not like all households get an envelope full of money through their door. Why would being "offered jobs at the event" be seen as a good thing anyway? How would that make the situation better? And do you honestly think CP/Aiken are going to offer many free tickets for the event? They distribute a very small amount of free tickets.

As for the ploughing championships. Worse road infrastructure, yes, but it's generally set in far less densely populated areas.

The fund was there for anybody who was affected by the event. The CPRA refused it because "€18.50 per person" was not enough (27000 people supposedly affected by the concert).

Being offered a job would help unemployed in the area, would it not? It is common place for tickets to be offered to those affected by big events such as this one.

Population density doesn't really come into it, you're either affected by the event or you're not. People in Stradbally would be greatly affected by a big event as the lack of infrastructure could leave them with no method of transport, whereas the NCR and Drumcondra have footpaths, trains and busses within walking distance.

cournioni · 04-07-2014 06:23AM

Tarzana wrote: »

What jobs and tickets are you wittering on about, seriously? You're talking like every household in the area gets these things. I'd be surprised of the number of free tickets given out exceeded 100. And "offered jobs"? Errrr, people might not, ya know, want a job at the concert. They might, shock horror, already have jobs?

If they don't want a job at the concert it is their prerogative to refuse it, I'm sure there is plenty of unemployed people in the area that could do with a few extra bob, obviously they're looking for it through other means at this moment in time.

I'm sure there is a limit on the amount of tickets as surely the 27000 people "affected" by the gig will hardly be viable.

Tarzana · 04-07-2014 06:26AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I reckon there is 160,000 very disappointed people waking up this morning who reckon they should get nothing at all.

They're not getting anything. And for my relation at least, compo never crossed her mind.

cournioni · 04-07-2014 06:26AM

Diego Simeone wrote: »

What do you think Dublin City Council's motivation is based on their judgement? Or An Bord Pleanala when they set the 3 event limit?

Define "3 events".

I'm sure pressure from the residents was Dublin City Councils motivation. After all, it is the residents that voted them in.

jack presley · 04-07-2014 06:29AM

cournioni wrote: »

Define "3 events".

I'm sure pressure from the residents was Dublin City Councils motivation. After all, it is the residents that voted them in.

Owen Keegan who made the decision is the city manager. This is not an elected position.

Tarzana · 04-07-2014 06:29AM

cournioni wrote: »

It is common place for tickets to be offered to those affected by big events such as this one.

Once again, VERY few free tickets are given out. I know this from my own time living in the environs. You're entered into raffles and such. Think about it, every free ticket given out is money they're not making. Say 10,000 live in the immediate vicinity.

10,000 x 80 = 800,000.

Likely?

So very few free tickets and TBH the job thing sounds dubious, and if true is kinda patronising.

pc7 · 04-07-2014 06:33AM

Too many posts over night to catch up on so not sure if it's been mentioned. Just heard on 6.30am news that Enda Kenny hopes all 5 go ahead.

cournioni · 04-07-2014 06:35AM

Tarzana wrote: »

Once again, VERY few free tickets are given out. I know this from my own time living in the environs. You're entered into raffles and such. Think about it, every free ticket given out is money they're not making.

I accept that all 27000 "affected" by the concert will not get a free ticket, as I've stated before, that wouldn't be viable, which is why €500,000 was set aside for the residents.

This still does not get away from the fact that the residents should suck it up and deal with it. People can choose where they want to live, if they have a phobia of large crowds then the area around Croke Park might not be for them...

Johnny_Fontane · 04-07-2014 06:39AM

cournioni wrote: »

Because each of those 27000 people are directly affected? Give me a break.

How many households does that figure affect?

Again, for the umpteenth time (and as a moderator you'd think that you might read some of the previous posts). Residents never wanted money and were never going to be given money. Residents have access through a draw scheme for 100 paid of tickets per concert (no tickets for GAA games). I have been living here since 08 and got pulled once.

Do you really think this is about money and tickets?

GAA and croke Park have only themselves to blame. They got greedy and are now getting their just desserts. Padraig McHale, head of croke Park is the man you need to point your vitriol at. His job is like most commercial enterprises, to make a profit. He reckoned on 8 gigs this year even though he knew the agreement (whilst verbal or written). He must have known the risk. If you look at the statement from the DCC, they mention the agreement that was in place with the residents, that it was a major factor.

So please people, lets stick to facts here. This was a planning decision that the GAA and Aiken got badly wrong. They should be your focus.

Ridiculous comment about old Trafford. 19 games a year at home and a couple of cup matches over 10 months. Croke Park has far more games per month from mar-oct. Try put a gig on there for 5 nights in a Row!

Tarzana · 04-07-2014 06:40AM

cournioni wrote: »

I accept that all 27000 "affected" by the concert will not get a free ticket, as I've stated before, that wouldn't be viable, which is why €500,000 was set aside for the residents.

This still does not get away from the fact that the residents should suck it up and deal with it. People can choose where they want to live, if they have a phobia of large crowds then the area around Croke Park might not be for them...

Or not, seeing as DCC is on their side. :cool:

Banjoxed · 04-07-2014 06:45AM

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

Again, for the umpteenth time (and as a moderator you'd think that you might read some of the previous posts). Residents never wanted money and were never going to be given money. Residents have access through a draw scheme for 100 paid of tickets per concert (no tickets for GAA games). I have been living here since 08 and got pulled once.

Do you really think this is about money and tickets?

GAA and croke Park have only themselves to blame. They got greedy and are now getting their just desserts. Padraig McHale, head of croke Park is the man you need to point your vitriol at. His job is like most commercial enterprises, to make a profit. He reckoned on 8 gigs this year even though he knew the agreement (whilst verbal or written). He must have known the risk. If you look at the statement from the DCC, they mention the agreement that was in place with the residents, that it was a major factor.

So please people, lets stick to facts here. This was a planning decision that the GAA and Aiken got badly wrong. They should be your focus.

Ridiculous comment about old Trafford. 19 games a year at home and a couple of cup matches over 10 months. Croke Park has far more games per month from mar-oct. Try put a gig on there for 5 nights in a Row!

Bad PR move to put a guy in a chalkstripe suit talking about property values on RTE.

Get Real · 04-07-2014 06:46AM

I live in Drumcondra, 2 mins from Croker, and I must say, I have absolutely no issue with them holding 5 concerts.

Realistically, it has no real affect on me. Drumcondra road with plenty of buses, is 2 mins away. I can also walk to town. But in reality, the concert is on when I'll be inside watching telly/ surfing the net anyway.

I don't get what the moaning is about- we knew moving here that it was beside croker, generally nothing bad happens, I have no issue with people enjoying themselves and sure it doesn't really affect me.

I think the complainers use many excuses but in reality its a case of "poor us, look at these people making money and us having to put up with chaos"....really, its not that bad, and not worth ruining 400,000 peoples evening for :rolleyes:

cournioni · 04-07-2014 06:47AM

Tarzana wrote: »

Once again, VERY few free tickets are given out. I know this from my own time living in the environs. You're entered into raffles and such. Think about it, every free ticket given out is money they're not making. Say 10,000 live in the immediate vicinity.

10,000 x 80 = 800,000.

Likely?

So very few free tickets and TBH the job thing sounds dubious, and if true is kinda patronising.

I'm very interested to see where this 27000 figure covers. Even 10000 seems unrealistic as most roads other than the Clonliffe Road, Jones' Road and St James' Avenue areas will be largely unaffected.

There is nothing patronising about offering jobs to the unemployed. Why should anybody without a job turn their nose up at a job that would last five days?

Tarzana · 04-07-2014 06:50AM

RTÉ have been very biased and pro-concerts in their reportings, it has to be said.

Don't understand Brooks' comment about "choosing between your children", it's not like he gets to pick which three nights he plays.

Banjoxed · 04-07-2014 06:51AM

So, is this being objected to as well?

https://twitter.com/crokepkclassic/status/482862913615847424

Tarzana · 04-07-2014 06:52AM

cournioni wrote: »

I'm very interested to see where this 27000 figure covers. Even 10000 seems unrealistic as most roads other than the Clonliffe Road, Jones' Road and St James' Avenue areas will be largely unaffected.

There is a whole warren of streets behind Clonliffe Road and the other roads the whole way down that are very close by and densely populated. Punters probably don't notice them. I lived on one of those streets, Croke Park was at the end of the road. And as said, traffic is affected fairly far out.

We'll have to disagree on the patronising thing re: jobs. It's just something they can point to show what they're doing for the local community. Such philanthropists!

wicklowwonder · 04-07-2014 06:54AM

Tarzana wrote: »

There is a whole warren of streets behind Clonliffe Road and the other roads the whole way down that are very close by and densely populated. Punters probably don't notice them. I lived on one of those streets, Croke Park was at the end of the road. And as said, traffic is affected fairly far out.

Residents as far as fairview and grace park road consider themselves effected, hence the massive figure.

Tarzana · 04-07-2014 06:56AM

Get Real wrote: »

I live in Drumcondra, 2 mins from Croker, and I must say, I have absolutely no issue with them holding 5 concerts.

Realistically, it has no real affect on me. Drumcondra road with plenty of buses, is 2 mins away. I can also walk to town. But in reality, the concert is on when I'll be inside watching telly/ surfing the net anyway.

I don't get what the moaning is about- we knew moving here that it was beside croker, generally nothing bad happens, I have no issue with people enjoying themselves and sure it doesn't really affect me.

I think the complainers use many excuses but in reality its a case of "poor us, look at these people making money and us having to put up with chaos"....really, its not that bad, and not worth ruining 400,000 peoples evening for :rolleyes:

Other residents are different than you shocka!

Johnny_Fontane · 04-07-2014 06:57AM

Get Real wrote: »

I live in Drumcondra, 2 mins from Croker, and I must say, I have absolutely no issue with them holding 5 concerts.

Realistically, it has no real affect on me. Drumcondra road with plenty of buses, is 2 mins away. I can also walk to town. But in reality, the concert is on when I'll be inside watching telly/ surfing the net anyway.

I don't get what the moaning is about- we knew moving here that it was beside croker, generally nothing bad happens, I have no issue with people enjoying themselves and sure it doesn't really affect me.

I think the complainers use many excuses but in reality its a case of "poor us, look at these people making money and us having to put up with chaos"....really, its not that bad, and not worth ruining 400,000 peoples evening for :rolleyes:

I live on Clonliffe Road inside the cordon and I have no problem with the gigs either. It creates a jovial atmosphere generally. But, croke park took the piss here. They never once spoke to the residents prior to selling the five GB gigs. There has been trouble being for years between the venue and the people living around it. They knew that putting on these extra 5 gigs would bring this to a head and they knew the risks. They also knew that Christie Cooney, GAA president agreed to only three concerts in 2009 at a meeting with residents.

As I have said earlier, I am flabbergasted that DCC didn't give the license for the final two, but if you read their statement, it's very clear why they didn't.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/dublin-city-councils-statement-on-garth-brooks-outdoor-event-licence-30404371.html

Tarzana · 04-07-2014 06:57AM

wicklowwonder wrote: »

Residents as far as fairview and grace park road consider themselves effected, hence the massive figure.

Fairview is very near actually, certainly as far as traffic issues go.

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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