Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

bucketybuck · 03-07-2014 11:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

How many jobs have now been lost because of the lose of these gigs? How many hundreds of thousands if no millions won't be spent here as a result?

"But what about the jobs Joe!" :rolleyes:

Maybe if the organisers had actually organised things properly instead of going down the pathetic gombeen "chance our arm" route you wouldn't have to be so concerned about the millions of poor nurses out of work over this.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 03-07-2014 11:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We always hear about how Ireland is trying to attract different events to host and considering that we only have a few stadiums that could accommodate most sporting events, does this decision mean that we can kiss any chance of any major event even considering Ireland as a venue.

What are you on about?
The DCC rules that GB can play for three nights, and somehow it eliminates our chances of hosting events?
Get a grip.

Amirani · 03-07-2014 11:55PM

therealme wrote: »

I'm mortified to be Irish...again!
The money this could generate not only in Dublin but nationwide and chances are it will not go ahead. Also G.B. is relaunching here after many years which will give the country serious coverage in the USA also and maybe generate even more income from tourism.
Time to get the idiots out from the councils/government and bring in people with proven business backgrounds who understand why it is so important to bring these type of acts to the country.
Is it any wonder we are a laughing stock worldwide. Not a fan but I really hope the go ahead is given for the financial benefit of Ireland.
Couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery comes to mind sadly...again!

Have you ever travelled outside the country?

- Garth Brooks relaunching here wont get "serious coverage" in the USA. It's very rare that something gets nation-wide or even state-wide coverage there outside of big news or big sporting events. There'll be a small amount of coverage at best.

- Time to get the idiots out from the councils? These are councils we voted in only a month or two ago. You want them all impeached because they made a decision you don't agree with?

- Ireland isn't a laughing stock worldwide, I don't know where you get this notion from.

- The financial benefit from an extra 2 concerts is minuscule in relative terms. Not every political decision should be made entirely based on money. Cancer treatment? Too expensive, let them die. Renting land to the UK for nuclear plants, fire away, we love money!

beano345 · 03-07-2014 11:55PM

nm wrote: »

The one that planned the concerts that 160,000 people were delighted to go to, but was then unfortunately bullied out of putting them on by a few residents who didn't care what the 160k people wanted or had built plans around.

Yeah but them fans don't live there,more the residents being bullied

Ace2007 · 03-07-2014 11:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Most events are sold before the license is granted. Its a common occurrence and you head it mentioned at the end of ads all the time. And yes there is an agreement for a certain number but residents should expect that to be expanded upon. It sucks for them but they made the decision to live there, no one held a gun to their heads and now they're up in arms because the stadium is being used a few extra days a year.

I can understand why the residents are annoyed but they have themselves to blame. Nobody forced them to live there and yes, many have lived there for decades but they still made the decision to live beside the GAA's biggest stadium.

1. if the agreement you talk about exists - Residents go to Court and win - GAA are snookered for good then, hence GAA are making no comment either way about the agreement, they have not come on specifically and said no such agreement exists - I wonder why?

2. As pointed out before houses were there for the stadium was there, families have changed but so has Croke Park. So saying families shouldn't live there is like me saying the Stadium shouldn't have been built there - but it is what it is and that can't be changed either way now.

Going forward the GAA and the residents should sit and draw up a new contract and have it in the public domain, so that promoters/singers/everyone knows where they stand.

Tarzana · 03-07-2014 11:56PM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

It's not irrelevant. Firstly Planning laws in Ireland are completely outdated.

Secondly you praise DCC. The DCC should be spending all their time and resources trying to solve the housing crisis in the capital. They'll sit on their thumbs because there will be vested interests to ensure house prices rice once more.

Who's says they're not? The DCC has to make decisions on all sorts of things.

Seaneh · 03-07-2014 11:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I can understand why the residents are annoyed but they have themselves to blame. Nobody forced them to live there and yes, many have lived there for decades but they still made the decision to live beside the GAA's biggest stadium.

What about the families living in social housing, they were given a choice "live here or continue to be unhoused".

What about families who have lived in the area for 3 or 4 generations and can't afford to move anywhere else or have kids in school or work in the area?

Your whole view is ridiculously simplistic.

Happyman42 · 03-07-2014 11:56PM

jamesbere wrote: »

Why was the decision the grant the license only given today, why couldn't this of been sorted a few months ago, gaa and promoter's must of known this would cause issue with the residents.

Brinkmanship by Aitken promotions I'd imagine...leave it as late as possible so pressurising decision makers.

end of the road · 03-07-2014 11:57PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

you're making it up right now so..............

i'm not, residents have admitted on live radio the residents association didn't even speak to them, nor doesn't represent them

WellThen? · 03-07-2014 11:58PM

munstermagic11 wrote: »

What are you on about?
The DCC rules that GB can play for three nights, and somehow it eliminates our chances of hosting events?
Get a grip.

Are you actually saying this won't have an effect on future gigs? Because after this embarrassment we will seem like a fantastic choice of venue, hassle free.Yeah sure.

DannySparks · 03-07-2014 11:59PM

400,000 tickets at an average 70 euros each would be 28,000,000

Id say aiken would still pocket a tidy sum in interest accumulated on that alone, taking away refund costs ect if all 5 gigs were cancelled.

Surely under mr brooks signature in tiny tiny writing its says apperance fee subject to licence

Amirani · 03-07-2014 11:59PM

therealme wrote: »

Yes. Perhaps if people voted for those with proven track records instead of many that were elected, our country wouldn't continue to be on it's knees.
Business people to run it like a business not those with no financial understanding.
Not getting into political row :-)

People can vote for whoever they want, that's how democracy works. Most people don't want their country to be run like a business. They like having healthcare and education, despite the fact that they make a loss.

hynesie08 · 03-07-2014 11:59PM

end of the road wrote: »

i'm not, residents have admitted on live radio the residents association didn't even speak to them, nor doesn't represent them

then why didn't they lodge complaints at the meetings? or write letters to the council explaining this?

Ace2007 · 03-07-2014 11:59PM

jamesbere wrote: »

Why was the decision the grant the license only given today, why couldn't this of been sorted a few months ago, gaa and promoter's must of known this would cause issue with the residents.

Because Aiken didn't apply for the licence until the last minute. DCC can't make a decision if application isn't made, likewise residents can't go to court until a decision about application is made.

Applying for it at the last minute, reduces (or so Aiken though) the chance of it either being decline, or if went to court a Judge ruling against the residence.

ThisRegard · 03-07-2014 11:59PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

why the hell would he ever want to visit here again. he picked ireland of all places for a comeback tour and we told him to f**k off.

Eh, he was told he can have 3 nights. Why do people find that difficult to understand?

Happyman42 · 04-07-2014 12:00AM

end of the road wrote: »

i'm not, residents have admitted on live radio the residents association didn't even speak to them, nor doesn't represent them

'some residents' you mean. Stop with the silliness please.

Fred Swanson · 04-07-2014 12:00AM

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jamesbere · 04-07-2014 12:01AM

Happyman42 wrote: »

Brinkmanship by Aitken promotions I'd imagine...leave it as late as possible so pressurising decision makers.

Well that went well, if the decision was made a few months ago at least the 2 concerts might have been relocated. Too late now.

WellThen? · 04-07-2014 12:01AM

Seaneh wrote: »

What about the families living in social housing, they were given a choice "live here or continue to be unhoused".

What about families who have lived in the area for 3 or 4 generations and can't afford to move anywhere else or have kids in school or work in the area?

Your whole view is ridiculously simplistic.

I'd take the noise for a rent free gaff

hynesie08 · 04-07-2014 12:01AM

WellThen? wrote: »

Are you actually saying this won't have an effect on future gigs? Because after this embarrassment we will seem like a fantastic choice of venue, hassle free.Yeah sure.

It won't, Happens all the time around the world. Acts still go back to hyde park every year after they turned springsteens sound off.

Ace2007 · 04-07-2014 12:01AM

end of the road wrote: »

i'm not, residents have admitted on live radio the residents association didn't even speak to them, nor doesn't represent them

what exactly constitutes a resident now?

How many would they need to speak to - there are public meetings -

Just to add other residents have said there is an agreement - but you don't believe these residents, but you believe someone of the radio who claims to be a resident - very selective in what you believe....

fta93 · 04-07-2014 12:02AM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

The Rugby World Cup organisers will be looking at this thinking not a chance.

But they won't. Because Croke Park is a sports stadium which can host as many sports events as they want. Comparing another sporting event with a gig is a straw man argument.

Tarzana · 04-07-2014 12:02AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm assuming that all the residents who got free tickets and then protested the gigs this year have handed theirs back.

Very, very few residents get free tickets. I lived around Croke Park for four years, the U2 concerts were on during that time. Never heard a thing about free tickets.

Also, once again "stadia around the world" are mentioned. Are you knowledgeable on the restriction in concerts and surrounding infrastructure of all these stadia? Somehow I doubt it.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 04-07-2014 12:02AM

WellThen? wrote: »

Are you actually saying this won't have an effect on future gigs? Because after this embarrassment we will seem like a fantastic choice of venue, hassle free.Yeah sure.

I didn't say that, please read what was written.
Not giving a licence for 5 GB concerts in a row, and compromising by allowing 3 in a row, is IMO very unlikely to put off anyone considering an event here.

You might consider it an embarrassment, many others would not.

mr kr0nik · 04-07-2014 12:02AM

How times have changed. I remember when you weren't allowed to even mention another promoter but Aitken seems to be fair game now.

ThisRegard · 04-07-2014 12:03AM

Steam Roller wrote: »

Garth Brook's has always been for the fans. He doesn't want to see 160000 fans disappointed. They have paid for tickets and coming to see him.

He wants a solution for 160000 fans who have missed out, hence its all or nothing.

400000 paid to see him, they should see him. Thats what he has always believed in.

http://www.joe.ie/entertainment/music/garth-brooks-statement-its-five-shows-or-none-at-all/

Somebody actually believes that?

DoubleJoe7 · 04-07-2014 12:04AM

Are the people blaming the residents for real? Have none of you jobs or kids?

There's a huge difference between putting up with a bit of daytime disruption during a weekend day in the summer and having thousands of drunks going through your neighbourhood on a weekday night. Having access to your home restricted for a week.

Yes they live near a sports stadium, but historically that meant tolerating weekend GAA fixtures in the summer.

This recent development has shown the GAA up completely. They had an agreement with the residents - three shows a year. They completely ignored that and offered One Direction and Garth Brooks a total of 8 - nearly three times the agreed number.

I don't live in Dublin and have no interest in this show, I came to this thread to see what the consensus was. I have nothing but sympathy for the residents.

Tarzana · 04-07-2014 12:04AM

munstermagic11 wrote: »

There was a referendum on this?
I do know that there was an election to the DCC, who have made a decision.
No amount of eye rolls add validity to your statement.

Referenda.

Yup, this issue is important enough to require a constitutional change. :pac:

Corholio · 04-07-2014 12:04AM

Why the **** are people worried and upset about what Garth Brooks thinks? Get a grip.

He could play the 3 nights and still get a hefty wedge, instead he's holding out for the 5. Nobody told him to **** off at all, it was greed and incompetence from promoters and the GAA that ****ed all this up.

04-07-2014 12:06AM

Ace2007 wrote: »

1. if the agreement you talk about exists - Residents go to Court and win - GAA are snookered for good then, hence GAA are making no comment either way about the agreement, they have not come on specifically and said no such agreement exists - I wonder why?

2. As pointed out before houses were there for the stadium was there, families have changed but so has Croke Park. So saying families shouldn't live there is like me saying the Stadium shouldn't have been built there - but it is what it is and that can't be changed either way now.

Going forward the GAA and the residents should sit and draw up a new contract and have it in the public domain, so that promoters/singers/everyone knows where they stand.

So there is no agreement in place between the GAA and the residents that a certain number of concerts can be held there in the year?

Seaneh wrote: »

What about the families living in social housing, they were given a choice "live here or continue to be unhoused".

What about families who have lived in the area for 3 or 4 generations and can't afford to move anywhere else or have kids in school or work in the area?

Your whole view is ridiculously simplistic.

I know it's simplistic, I never argued otherwise. Those living in the area made the decision to live beside the GAA's main venue. Certain disruptions are to be expected and just because there were not events held there in the past does not mean that residents should expect it to keep the same.

I imagine that there's a lot of people on the housing list who would happily take a home at a reduced rate close to the stadium. Bit rich to be given a house for less than most pay and then complain that there are elements you aren't happy with. Again no one forced them to live there, they may have had limited options but they could have said no. And yes I'm aware of how hard it is for people.

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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