Can we kill Irish once and for all

auldgranny · 03-07-2014 11:36PM

shane7218 wrote: »

Like I struggled with Irish in school and barely passed it, yet I did great in everything else and almost missed out on getting into a computer science course. How can we justify something like Irish determining if someone is good enough to study an IT related course or any for that matter.

If you did great at everything else you didn't need to count Irish and then didn't nearly miss anything

House of Blaze · 03-07-2014 11:37PM

alchemist33 wrote: »

It's of no use in the outside world but it's a vital part of our heritage. I can't understand Irish people who want it to die.

Yeah but so was sun worshipping and human sacrifice..

Some things are just best left in the past!

bitemeluis · 03-07-2014 11:38PM

auldgranny wrote: »

If you did great at everything else you didn't need to count Irish and then didn't nearly miss anything

Did you do English in school gran?

Frank Lee Midere · 03-07-2014 11:38PM

Alias G wrote: »

The world would be such a fun place if only it was full of computer scientists.

If it was full of computer scientists who can't learn a second language you might not want to get on an aeroplane or use a car.

House of Blaze · 03-07-2014 11:38PM

Alias G wrote: »

The world would be such a fun place if only it was full of computer scientists.

Maybe not, but you'd have awesome broadband speed..

Frank Lee Midere · 03-07-2014 11:39PM

bitemeluis wrote: »

Did you do English in school gran?

Her point stands. You choose 6 subjects for the CAO.

shane7218 · 03-07-2014 11:40PM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Her point stands. You choose 6 subjects for the CAO.

No you chose 3 ... the other 3 are forced on you. Maths is critical for most people in this day and age and English is obviously important for everyday life to a certain extent but Irish for 99% of people is useless

Taco Chips · 03-07-2014 11:42PM

shane7218 wrote: »

But I have no interest in learning something that is useless to me. So why should I be forced it should be my choice. If we use that logic every one should be forced to take science

You're also forced to learn English and Maths. In life you have to learn things that you have 'no interest in'. This is because the purpose of an education is to enhance all aspects of your mind and not to create a workforce drone with only the capacity to think about one topic. The same applies for courses in university. There are many aspects to my degree that I don't find interesting but I get on with it and learn them because it's important to my over all education. Even the things I don't like I can appreciate that they are still contributing to my knowledge. TBH I would be worried about a fledgling computer scientist who can't apply themselves to learn a language thoroughly. You realise that a computer science degree is largely about learning programming languages communications?

auldgranny · 03-07-2014 11:42PM

bitemeluis wrote: »

Did you do English in school gran?

School wasn't invented in my day

shane7218 · 03-07-2014 11:43PM

Taco Chips wrote: »

You're also forced to learn English and Maths. In life you have to learn things that you have 'no interest in'. This is because the purpose of an education is to enhance all aspects of your mind and not to create a workforce drone with only the capacity to think about one topic. The same applies for courses in university. There are many aspects to my degree that I don't find interesting but I get on with it and learn them because it's important to my over all education. Even the things I don't like I can appreciate that they are still contributing to my knowledge. TBH I would be worried about a fledgling computer scientist who can't apply themselves to learn a language thoroughly. You realise that a computer science degree is largely about learning programming languages communications?

Learning a programming language is totally different then a spoken one . I'm fluent in 4

Frank Lee Midere · 03-07-2014 11:43PM

shane7218 wrote: »

No you chose 3 ... the other 3 are forced on you. Maths is critical for most people in this day and age and English is obviously important for everyday life to a certain extent but Irish for 99% of people is useless

Very few people need more mathematics than primary school level, and in English people don't need to know Shakespeare or poetry to function.

We teach these things for educations sake. And I did 7 subjects. Most people do. One spare.

bitemeluis · 03-07-2014 11:43PM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Her point stands. You choose 6 subjects for the CAO.

I was being a grammar nazi

auldgranny · 03-07-2014 11:45PM

shane7218 wrote: »

No you chose 3 ... the other 3 are forced on you. Maths is critical for most people in this day and age and English is obviously important for everyday life to a certain extent but Irish for 99% of people is useless

You do seven subjects for Leaving Cert and count six for CAO. His c proficiency in Irish would have nothing to do with getting a course if he did great.

Iwasfrozen · 03-07-2014 11:45PM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Very few people need more mathematics than primary school level,

You just ripped my soul apart.

*one single tear falls slowly down his cheek.*

Frank Lee Midere · 03-07-2014 11:46PM

bitemeluis wrote: »

I was being a grammar nazi

Ok. Reported.

shane7218 · 03-07-2014 11:46PM

auldgranny wrote: »

You do seven subjects for Leaving Cert and count six for CAO. His c proficiency in Irish would have nothing to do with getting a course if he did great.

But not everyone does great in other subjects. SO why should these people have to loose out on their college course because of a dead language

Taco Chips · 03-07-2014 11:47PM

shane7218 wrote: »

Learning a programming language is totally different then a spoken one . I'm fluent in 4

As I outlined in my original post, Irish is not just assessed in the spoken form at Leaving Cert. If you're fluent in 4 programming languages then learning LC standard Irish should be a cakewalk with the right application. Use of logic, connection, pattern recognition etc... are just as prominent in Gaeilge as any other language.

And they're not totally different. They overlapping areas of your brain in the learning process. The only impediment to learning it would appear to be your attitude. A negative attitude can make even the simplest of tasks seem like a mountain.

auldgranny · 03-07-2014 11:48PM

shane7218 wrote: »

But not everyone does great in other subjects. SO why should these people have to loose out on their college course because of a dead language

Your point was that you almost did.

shane7218 · 03-07-2014 11:49PM

Taco Chips wrote: »

As I outlined in my original post, Irish is not just assessed in the spoken form at Leaving Cert. If you're fluent in 4 programming languages then learning LC standard Irish should be a cakewalk with the right application. Use of logic, connection, pattern recognition etc... are just as prominent in Gaeilge as any other language.

And they're not totally different. They overlapping areas of your brain in the learning process. The only impediment to learning it would appear to be your attitude. A negative attitude can make even the simplest of tasks seem like a mountain.

That is totally irrelevant. The point is there is no benefit to learning it in the real world for most people. Why not make everyone take physics

solomafioso · 03-07-2014 11:49PM

shane7218 wrote: »

Learning a programming language is totally different then a spoken one . I'm fluent in 4

I don't think the term "fluent" can be referred to a programming language. You can code efficiently in four, that's good for you. But you can only speak to computers. With an actual language you can travel to another country and communicate with no boundaries.

I don't think I can take a plane to C++ and the minute I get off I say to a local "<#include iostream.h>" and he or she replies "Cout << "Hello World!""

bitemeluis · 03-07-2014 11:49PM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Ok. Reported.

Not sure why, no rules against it. It's more ethically frowned upon rather than illegal.

shane7218 · 03-07-2014 11:50PM

solomafioso wrote: »

I don't think the term "fluent" can be referred to a programming language. You can code efficiently in four, that's good for you. But you can only speak to computers. With an actual language you can travel to another country and communicate with no boundaries.

I don't think I can take a plane to C++ and the minute I get off I say to a local "<#include iostream.h>" and he or she replies "Cout << "Hello World!""

and with Irish where can I go apart from the Gaeltacht ?

Chancer3001 · 03-07-2014 11:51PM

People are so stupid. I have no use for this , take it off the leaving cert.

Just because you don't have a use for it means nothing.

Zero of what you learn in secondary is necessary. Once you can read and write you can function.

Everything else is to broaden the mind. History, geography, religion, science....all their to broaden your mind.

Taco Chips · 03-07-2014 11:51PM

shane7218 wrote: »

But not everyone does great in other subjects. SO why should these people have to loose out on their college course because of a dead language

Well the obvious answer to that is the LC is a test of your overall education standard at the end of secondary school. Given the limited number of places in computer science, the reason you lost out was because according to the fair, impartial and anonymised system you were deemed to have less points and less performance at overall application of your education to that set of exams. All of the people that eventually got a place on the course got more points than you. So the people who did get a place on computer science logically would have also done great or better than you at the LC and probably also better at Irish. So are you complaining that even though they did better than you at all their exams, Irish should be discounted because you're not as good at it as them?

auldgranny · 03-07-2014 11:51PM

bitemeluis wrote: »

Not sure why, no rules against it. It's more ethically frowned upon rather than illegal.

I am not offended by your post.

solomafioso · 03-07-2014 11:51PM

shane7218 wrote: »

and with Irish where can I go apart from the Gaeltacht ?

Sometimes when I'm abroad with my OH we will talk (very basic) Irish to each other to stop from prying ears. :pac:

Iwasfrozen · 03-07-2014 11:54PM

solomafioso wrote: »

Sometimes when I'm abroad with my OH we will talk (very basic) Irish to each other to stop from prying ears. :pac:

So this is what the Irish language has descended to? Complicated pig latin to confuse foreigners. Good to know our children are wasting 14 years of education for that rubbish.

solomafioso · 03-07-2014 11:55PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

So this is what the Irish language has descended to? Complicated pig latin to confuse foreigners. Good to know our children are wasting 14 years of education for that rubbish.

Now you get it! Well done. Years and years of fightin' and drinkin' for nothing.

Da Shins Kelly · 03-07-2014 11:56PM

Oh to be back doing the leaving cert when the biggest problems we all had was whether we could speak Irish and pass maths.

Get over it, I say. The leaving cert is a year of your life and if you make the effort, you're not going to fail anything. Everyone is capable of passing ordinary level Irish at least. The vast majority of what you learn in school is of very little use to you in the real world anyway. I couldn't give a rat's arse about most of what I learned in my maths class and I don't think I've used any of it apart from basic adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing (which you learn at primary school level) since I left school and started doing something entirely separate to all that carry on in college.

Instead of bitching about it, you just get on with it.

bitemeluis · 03-07-2014 11:56PM

auldgranny wrote: »

I am not offended by your post.

Didnt think you were gran, just Frankie boy there climbing up on his high pony

Can we kill Irish once and for all

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