Can we kill Irish once and for all

shane7218

I think its time to stop with the stupidity of forcing people to sit an Irish exam for the leaving cert. It's fine for the Junior but how is it fair that you have to do it for an exam that determines the college course you get ?. It's long overdue to add technology related exams such as Programming exams which are actually useful.

cloud493

Wow what an original thought and after hours topic. Do one on social welfare payments next, no ones bitched about that here before either.

WellThen?

Bitching about posters choice of topic is worse in After Hours.

solomafioso

I don't know what a tracker mortgage is!

nxbyveromdwjpg

I agree, well maybe not killed what with culture etc, but it shouldn't be mandatory.

AnonoBoy

An bhfuil cead agam Gaeilge a mharú?

STADEdeLUC

Disagree, having done the leavng cert recently I think Irish shouldn't be removed but rather improved, id love to see even more emphasis put on spoken irish, ''beatha teanga í a labhairt''

shane7218

STADEdeLUC wrote: »

Disagree, having done the leavng cert recently and coming from a city background I think Irish shouldn't be removed but rather improved, id love to see even more emphasis put on spoken irish, ''beatha teanga í a labhairt''

But what use is it ...For all intensive purpose's its a dead language

Tail Docker

AnonoBoy wrote: »

An bhfuil cead agam Gaeilge a mharú?

No ides what you are on about, happily. Irish is like latin, it's ok, but hardly essential. And by "ok", I mean shyte.

auldgranny

shane7218 wrote: »

But what use is it ...For all intensive purpose's its a dead language

We could use the time to improve people's standard of english

solomafioso

shane7218 wrote: »

But what use is it ...For all intensive purpose's its a dead language

It's "intents and purposes". But this thread is just a damp squid. Not to put it on a pedal stool or anything.

Alias G

shane7218 wrote: »

But what use is it ...For all intensive purpose's its a dead language

Well you should certainly work on your English as a priority in fairness.

shane7218

Like I struggled with Irish in school and barely passed it, yet I did great in everything else and almost missed out on getting into a computer science course. How can we justify something like Irish determining if someone is good enough to study an IT related course or any for that matter.

AnonoBoy

Tail Docker wrote: »

No ides what you are on about

You got it in one - I was quoting Shakespeare as Gaeilge - "Beware the ides of March dude."

entangled

solomafioso wrote: »

It's "intents and purposes". But this thread is just a damp squid. Not to put it on a pedal stool or anything.

You're only saying that to tow the line.

solomafioso

AnonoBoy wrote: »

You got it in one - I was quoting Shakespeare as Gaeilge - "Beware the ides of March dude."

"So foul and fair a language I have not seen"

Sound of Silence

shane7218 wrote: »

But what use is it ...For all intensive purpose's its a dead language

I would be lying if I said that even half of what I learned in Secondary education was relevant or useful to me outside of School.

Alias G

shane7218 wrote: »

Like I struggled with Irish in school and barely passed it, yet I did great in everything else and almost missed out on getting into a computer science course. How can we justify something like Irish determining if someone is good enough to study an IT related course or any for that matter.

The world would be such a fun place if only it was full of computer scientists.

alchemist33

It's of no use in the outside world but it's a vital part of our heritage. I can't understand Irish people who want it to die.

StaticNoise

The real problem is the Gaelscoils. They're flooding the country (slowly) and those in them are making themselves feel more worthy than others. Even Government jobs have a special Irish language stream that gives preference to Irish speakers.

Yes, dump it. If you're a die hard nationalist, fine, speak it, if you think that you can... But it shouldn't be pushed. Buses, road signs, literature, all dual language. C'mon..

LeinsterDub

shane7218 wrote: »

Like I struggled with Irish in school and barely passed it, yet I did great in everything else and almost missed out on getting into a computer science course. How can we justify something like Irish determining if someone is good enough to study an IT related course or any for that matter.

Studying Irish is a lot like the pealing of an orange. In that we've not had a Simpsons quote yet

dodderangler

Pain in me b0llox with people like you trying to rid us of our original language.
I can speak enough to have a conversation and il be damned if we are to rid ourselves of it.
It's a beautiful language. No one is for in you to learn it but you can fcuk off if you think we should rid ourselves entirely of it just cuz you can't understand it.

shane7218

dodderangler wrote: »

Pain in me b0llox with people like you trying to rid us of our original language.
I can speak enough to have a conversation and il be damned if we are to rid ourselves of it.
It's a beautiful language. No one is for in you to learn it but you can fcuk off if you think we should rid ourselves entirely of it just cuz you can't understand it.

Why should we be FORCED to learn it ?. If you want to that's fine but it should not be mandatory

Tail Docker

AnonoBoy wrote: »

You got it in one - I was quoting Shakespeare as Gaeilge - "Beware the ides of March dude."

I didn't think you'd notice. Fair fecks to you.:D People generally don't..

shruikan2553

Just stop making it compulsory. If it is as important as some make it out to be it wont die.

Iwasfrozen

shane7218 wrote: »

I think its time to stop with the stupidity of forcing people to sit an Irish exam for the leaving cert. It's fine for the Junior but how is it fair that you have to do it for an exam that determines the college course you get ?. It's long overdue to add technology related exams such as Programming exams which are actually useful.

Yes please.

steveone

If you take the exams in Irish do you still get extra marks?

Taco Chips

shane7218 wrote: »

Like I struggled with Irish in school and barely passed it, yet I did great in everything else and almost missed out on getting into a computer science course. How can we justify something like Irish determining if someone is good enough to study an IT related course or any for that matter.

Maybe you should have picked up an extra subject to compensate if you were weak at Irish? Or worked a bit harder at Irish. It's really frustrating seeing people crib and bitch about Irish at school. They have a block to it, not willing to give it a chance or even try at the subject.

The truth is Irish is quite an accessible language and at Leaving Cert there is a diverse range of ways that its tested in. Oral, listening, written composition, poetry, pros etc... So if you are not so good in one area there is still room for you to shine in other parts of the exam. But unfortunately there is an attitude amongst people that they will just never be able to speak it. They develop a nasty outlook and quit before they even give learning a proper shot. It's a great shame because it's a beautiful language, steeped in quirks and romance that is a pleasure to learn once you apply yourself to it. But I suppose it's much easier for people to complain and demand something be taken off the curriculum instead of give it an honest crack of the whip.

shane7218

Taco Chips wrote: »

Maybe you should have picked up an extra subject to compensate if you were weak at Irish? Or worked a bit harder at Irish. It's really frustrating seeing people crib and bitch about Irish at school. They have a block to it, not willing to give it a chance or even try at the subject.

The truth is Irish is quite an accessible language and at Leaving Cert there is a diverse range of ways that its tested in. Oral, listening, written composition, poetry, pros etc... So if you are not so good in one area there is still room for you to shine in other parts of the exam. But unfortunately there is an attitude amongst people that they will just never be able to speak it. They develop a nasty outlook and quit before they even give learning a proper shot. It's a great shame because it's a beautiful language, steeped in quirks and romance that is a pleasure to learn once you apply yourself to it. But I suppose it's much easier for people to complain and demand something be taken off the curriculum instead of give it an honest crack of the whip.

But I have no interest in learning something that is useless to me. So why should I be forced it should be my choice. If we use that logic every one should be forced to take science

shane7218

steveone wrote: »

If you take the exams in Irish do you still get extra marks?

Hard to believe but yes

bitemeluis

I had to do an English exam in school, wasnt sure why cause I could already speak it

auldgranny

shane7218 wrote: »

Like I struggled with Irish in school and barely passed it, yet I did great in everything else and almost missed out on getting into a computer science course. How can we justify something like Irish determining if someone is good enough to study an IT related course or any for that matter.

If you did great at everything else you didn't need to count Irish and then didn't nearly miss anything

House of Blaze

alchemist33 wrote: »

It's of no use in the outside world but it's a vital part of our heritage. I can't understand Irish people who want it to die.

Yeah but so was sun worshipping and human sacrifice..

Some things are just best left in the past!

bitemeluis

auldgranny wrote: »

If you did great at everything else you didn't need to count Irish and then didn't nearly miss anything

Did you do English in school gran?

Frank Lee Midere

Alias G wrote: »

The world would be such a fun place if only it was full of computer scientists.

If it was full of computer scientists who can't learn a second language you might not want to get on an aeroplane or use a car.

House of Blaze

Alias G wrote: »

The world would be such a fun place if only it was full of computer scientists.

Maybe not, but you'd have awesome broadband speed..

Frank Lee Midere

bitemeluis wrote: »

Did you do English in school gran?

Her point stands. You choose 6 subjects for the CAO.

shane7218

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Her point stands. You choose 6 subjects for the CAO.

No you chose 3 ... the other 3 are forced on you. Maths is critical for most people in this day and age and English is obviously important for everyday life to a certain extent but Irish for 99% of people is useless

Taco Chips

shane7218 wrote: »

But I have no interest in learning something that is useless to me. So why should I be forced it should be my choice. If we use that logic every one should be forced to take science

You're also forced to learn English and Maths. In life you have to learn things that you have 'no interest in'. This is because the purpose of an education is to enhance all aspects of your mind and not to create a workforce drone with only the capacity to think about one topic. The same applies for courses in university. There are many aspects to my degree that I don't find interesting but I get on with it and learn them because it's important to my over all education. Even the things I don't like I can appreciate that they are still contributing to my knowledge. TBH I would be worried about a fledgling computer scientist who can't apply themselves to learn a language thoroughly. You realise that a computer science degree is largely about learning programming languages communications?

auldgranny

bitemeluis wrote: »

Did you do English in school gran?

School wasn't invented in my day

shane7218

Taco Chips wrote: »

You're also forced to learn English and Maths. In life you have to learn things that you have 'no interest in'. This is because the purpose of an education is to enhance all aspects of your mind and not to create a workforce drone with only the capacity to think about one topic. The same applies for courses in university. There are many aspects to my degree that I don't find interesting but I get on with it and learn them because it's important to my over all education. Even the things I don't like I can appreciate that they are still contributing to my knowledge. TBH I would be worried about a fledgling computer scientist who can't apply themselves to learn a language thoroughly. You realise that a computer science degree is largely about learning programming languages communications?

Learning a programming language is totally different then a spoken one . I'm fluent in 4

Frank Lee Midere

shane7218 wrote: »

No you chose 3 ... the other 3 are forced on you. Maths is critical for most people in this day and age and English is obviously important for everyday life to a certain extent but Irish for 99% of people is useless

Very few people need more mathematics than primary school level, and in English people don't need to know Shakespeare or poetry to function.

We teach these things for educations sake. And I did 7 subjects. Most people do. One spare.

bitemeluis

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Her point stands. You choose 6 subjects for the CAO.

I was being a grammar nazi

auldgranny

shane7218 wrote: »

No you chose 3 ... the other 3 are forced on you. Maths is critical for most people in this day and age and English is obviously important for everyday life to a certain extent but Irish for 99% of people is useless

You do seven subjects for Leaving Cert and count six for CAO. His c proficiency in Irish would have nothing to do with getting a course if he did great.

Iwasfrozen

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Very few people need more mathematics than primary school level,

You just ripped my soul apart.

*one single tear falls slowly down his cheek.*

Frank Lee Midere

bitemeluis wrote: »

I was being a grammar nazi

Ok. Reported.

shane7218

auldgranny wrote: »

You do seven subjects for Leaving Cert and count six for CAO. His c proficiency in Irish would have nothing to do with getting a course if he did great.

But not everyone does great in other subjects. SO why should these people have to loose out on their college course because of a dead language

Taco Chips

shane7218 wrote: »

Learning a programming language is totally different then a spoken one . I'm fluent in 4

As I outlined in my original post, Irish is not just assessed in the spoken form at Leaving Cert. If you're fluent in 4 programming languages then learning LC standard Irish should be a cakewalk with the right application. Use of logic, connection, pattern recognition etc... are just as prominent in Gaeilge as any other language.

And they're not totally different. They overlapping areas of your brain in the learning process. The only impediment to learning it would appear to be your attitude. A negative attitude can make even the simplest of tasks seem like a mountain.

auldgranny

shane7218 wrote: »

But not everyone does great in other subjects. SO why should these people have to loose out on their college course because of a dead language

Your point was that you almost did.

shane7218

Taco Chips wrote: »

As I outlined in my original post, Irish is not just assessed in the spoken form at Leaving Cert. If you're fluent in 4 programming languages then learning LC standard Irish should be a cakewalk with the right application. Use of logic, connection, pattern recognition etc... are just as prominent in Gaeilge as any other language.

And they're not totally different. They overlapping areas of your brain in the learning process. The only impediment to learning it would appear to be your attitude. A negative attitude can make even the simplest of tasks seem like a mountain.

That is totally irrelevant. The point is there is no benefit to learning it in the real world for most people. Why not make everyone take physics

solomafioso

shane7218 wrote: »

Learning a programming language is totally different then a spoken one . I'm fluent in 4

I don't think the term "fluent" can be referred to a programming language. You can code efficiently in four, that's good for you. But you can only speak to computers. With an actual language you can travel to another country and communicate with no boundaries.

I don't think I can take a plane to C++ and the minute I get off I say to a local "<#include iostream.h>" and he or she replies "Cout << "Hello World!""