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Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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  • #4622
    fta93
    Closed Accounts Posts: 306 ✭✭fta93


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I thought that Croke Park was used as a venue for well over 100 years. Granted it wasn't the stadium it is not but it would make seem that events have been taking place there longer than any of the residents have been alive.

    As a sporting venue, what it was built for. Huge amount of residents are elderly and have been there for generations. First concert was 96, lots there way before that.


  • #4623
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    fta93 wrote: »
    As a sporting venue, what it was built for. Huge amount of residents are elderly and have been there for generations. First concert was 96, lots there way before that.

    U2 not play in '87?

    Edit - Actually 1985


  • #4624
    nxbyveromdwjpg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    fta93 wrote: »
    Expect disruption during the day for sports events, yes, which is the purpose of a sports stadium. Not for gigs to make everyone involved $$$.

    So the problem is that people make money? I thought it wasn't about money, that's been repeated over and over in this thread by the residents/residents supporters.


  • #4625
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    end of the road wrote: »
    your not, its rather a strange one all right

    How is it strange?


  • #4626
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,045 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Having had grandparents who lived most of their lives in the area, they certainly accepted living beside a large sports venue. It was an irritant trying to visit sometimes during a large match (roads sealed off, etc) but they got on with it.

    They weren't around there long enough though to see concerts but I do reckon it's a very big stretch to assume all of the residents were furious over it, trying to shut it down, etc.


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  • #4627
    fta93
    Closed Accounts Posts: 306 ✭✭fta93


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Out of interest how many are original residents (If even any) and how many are people that bought a house knowing there was a stadium next to it. That without to much of a stretch of the imagination would hold concerts just like every other stadium world wide. You would swear concerts in stadiums was only invented this year.

    Doubt anyone has the exact figure, maybe the residents assoc does. Rented there while in college, very quiet and old area, I'd hazard a guess there's a high % living there way before the 2nd concert was held in 1996.

    Lots of social housing in the Ballybough part too from before 1996 (even 1985 the date of 1st concert), people who didn't exactly have a choice. Hard to choose to up and leave too when you're property has been devalued by approx. 30k.


  • #4628
    Kalyke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Kalyke


    Look this was an attempt at smash and grab by BOTH sides.. But guess who loses long term? Joe Soap.... as usual.


  • #4629
    captain caveman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭captain caveman


    I heard a story about the last U2 concert there. The residents took the tickets, cash, free drinks at the members bar etc, and as the trucks were loading out after all of the concerts were finished, then decided it was time to kick up citing "noise pollution" etc. Only after the perks were already enjoyed.


  • #4630
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    fta93 wrote: »
    As a sporting venue, what it was built for. Huge amount of residents are elderly and have been there for generations. First concert was 96, lots there way before that.

    So if something was built for one purpose but another can be found it shouldn't be explored as it may upset a few people.


  • #4631
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    fta93 wrote: »
    Doubt anyone has the exact figure, maybe the residents assoc does. Rented there while in college, very quiet and old area, I'd hazard a guess there's a high % living there way before the 1st concert was held in 1996.

    Lots of social housing in the Ballybough part too from before 1996, people who didn't exactly have a choice. Hard to choose to up and leave too when you're property has been devalued by approx. 30k.

    Was that before or after the property crash ?


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  • #4632
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    If you lived near Dublin Airport and they decided that they were going to have arrivals and departures during the night, are you saying then it would be touch **** for anyone living in the flight path, if they kept them awake at night, because one would assume sooner or later that 24 arrival/departures would occur?

    yes, my advice, if you don't like planes don't live near dublin airport or any airport

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #4633
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    fta93 wrote: »
    Doubt anyone has the exact figure, maybe the residents assoc does. Rented there while in college, very quiet and old area, I'd hazard a guess there's a high % living there way before the 1st concert was held in 1996.

    Lots of social housing in the Ballybough part too from before 1996, people who didn't exactly have a choice. Hard to choose to up and leave too when you're property has been devalued by approx. 30k.

    U2 played Croke Park in 1985. Your point is probably still correct but you might as well have the right date.


  • #4634
    Ranchu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Ranchu


    The residents never kicked up a stink before like they have over this. There's a reason for that. It's not rocket science to see why but none of you have experienced the disruption caused but still feel entitled to tell the residents what they should and shouldn't do.


  • #4635
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    BoB_BoT wrote: »
    If you build a house without planning permission, it still has to knocked down, doesn't matter if it cost you 300k
    not relevant to this, as no planning was broken

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #4636
    fta93
    Closed Accounts Posts: 306 ✭✭fta93


    Lord Trollington wrote: »
    If you lived in Madrid you have Real and Athletico. Both play in La Liga, the top division in Spain. Both play in Spanish Cups and Champions League.

    Thats 30-40 games a year each. Champions League doesnt start until 9pm local time midweek and isn't over until 11.15PM.

    Croke Park is used May to September. And at that its only every other weekend. 12/13 outings max a year for a €500m stadium.

    Because that's the purpose of the stadia. Croker holds league games at night and Championship games on Sat nights, no problems because that's its purpose. They haven't complained about games.


  • #4637
    Jamsiek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Jamsiek


    miju wrote: »
    Personally I hope the GAA throw 3 big knacker fest raves in Croke Park next year. Maybe then the residents will understand what disruption really is :p:p:p

    From that comment it looks like you would enjoy the knacker fests


  • #4638
    Steam Roller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭Steam Roller


    Next year three Jedward concerts in croke park!


  • #4639
    fta93
    Closed Accounts Posts: 306 ✭✭fta93


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So if something was built for one purpose but another can be found it shouldn't be explored as it may upset a few people.

    I'd like you to show me where I said that..

    Residents agreed a deal with Croke Park. They broke it.


  • #4640
    Ranchu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Ranchu


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So if something was built for one purpose but another can be found it shouldn't be explored as it may upset a few people.

    It's been used for concerts already without issue. Are you blind to the issue here?


  • #4641
    WineAndBoobies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 ✭WineAndBoobies


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Was that before or after the property crash ?

    I'm wondering where this 30k figure is coming from too.

    Apart from the property crash, surely people who have bought houses there benefited from lower house prices anyway.

    They surely haven't just dropped by 30k because Garth announed 5 concerts.


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  • #4642
    fta93
    Closed Accounts Posts: 306 ✭✭fta93


    jack presley wrote: »
    U2 played Croke Park in 1985. Your point is probably still correct but you might as well have the right date.

    Apologies, I wasn't born so easy oversight! Only concert as such in the 'old Croker' then?


  • #4643
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Maybe I should be protesting the Galway United games that happen every other week as I can hear the noise from my house or should I have protested the Connaught rugby games that happened up the road from my last house as people parked all over the place and the noise went on till late in the night.
    Maybe 3 night in a row, and then 5 nights in a row; maybe you or other residents might then have concerns if that was repeated each year.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Out of the 365 days in the year the residents only want it to be used 3 nights a year for music. That just sounds ridiculous when you think about it, world class venue but we can't use it as residents who chose to live beside it will get upset.
    It's be great if the stadium could be utilized for the maximum financial gain; but if the GAA want to do that, they should engage and agree with the residents who would suffer as a consequence.


  • #4644
    BoB_BoT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭BoB_BoT


    end of the road wrote: »
    not relevant to this, as no planning was broken

    It was a bad analogy, in short, they didn't have a license. They gambled on getting a license. The GAA either stupidly overlooked the agreement they had with the residents or chose to ignore it and hope there wasn't a fuss kicked up, they were wrong.


  • #4645
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    I think that the residents would have perfectly good fears that it would then lead to further concerts.

    it will, so they have done the damage to themselves all ready.
    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    The GAA already broke their three gig agreement by adding the GB concerts.

    no, they applied for the eventes licence, and got the majority of the concerts.
    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    It's already 3 more concerts even with the two gigs not been given a licence.

    gigs which they applied for the events licence for

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  • #4646
    miju
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭miju


    Ranchu wrote: »
    The residents never kicked up a stink before like they have over this. There's a reason for that. It's not rocket science to see why but none of you have experienced the disruption caused but still feel entitled to tell the residents what they should and shouldn't do.

    Same could be said for the residents feeling entitled to tell 160,000 people where they should or shouldnt get their entertainment


  • #4647
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    fta93 wrote: »
    I'd like you to show me where I said that..

    Residents agreed a deal with Croke Park. They broke it.

    Your point was that it was a sporting venue for years and mine was that another purpose was found for it so why not go with it. Just because something is used for one purpose for a time does not mean that it shouldn't be expected that it may be used in other ways. The residents chose to live beside an international sporting venue, they made that choice and it may have been made 40 years ago but when you move to such a place you have to accept that some disruption will come with it.
    Ranchu wrote: »
    It's been used for concerts already without issue. Are you blind to the issue here?

    The issue is that a number of the residents are up in arms because 5 additional gigs were planned. We get that, what we don't get is why they are so against it. You'd swear that the venue was being used every other day but it's not. They want to stage 8 concerts there this year, that's 8 nights out of 365. the 5 additional nights will bring in millions of euro, attract tourists froma ll ove the world, create some employment and now it's all in jeopardy because a few people aren't happy.


  • #4648
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,442 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Ranchu wrote: »
    The residents never kicked up a stink before like they have over this.

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/next-u2-gig-in-doubt-after-croke-park-protests-420411.html


  • #4649
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    fta93 wrote: »
    Apologies, I wasn't born so easy oversight! Only concert as such in the 'old Croker' then?

    Don't know. I think they played in '87 as well and I have vague memories of someone else playing but can't remember who.


  • #4650
    miju
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭miju


    Jamsiek wrote: »
    From that comment it looks like you would enjoy the knacker fests

    Complete opposite if you read further you would see I worked as a medic at these events so know exactly the kind of disruption they would bring


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  • #4651
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    BoB_BoT wrote: »
    It was a bad analogy, in short, they didn't have a license. They gambled on getting a license. The GAA either stupidly overlooked the agreement they had with the residents or chose to ignore it and hope there wasn't a fuss kicked up, they were wrong.

    They've disgraced themselves with their greed.

    GAA 0 : Residents 5


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