Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

Fred Swanson · 03-07-2014 01:42PM

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Smidge · 03-07-2014 01:44PM

Have followed this thread since day one having once lived in the area and have first hand experience of the disruption caused by concerts.
I feel sorry for the fans who have been disappointed but ultimately I am genuinely delighted at todays outcome.
Mainly because as a nation and a people we seem to just take crap from the powers that be at every hands turn and do nothing about it except moan. Finally, thats changed.
The residents have a genuine grievance and cause and fought it. And WON!!!!!

Fred Swanson · 03-07-2014 01:45PM

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EricPraline · 03-07-2014 01:45PM

end of the road wrote: »

they didn't, no evidence of this agreement exists, the only agreement that is valid is the planning agreement that states 3 concerts before applying for an events licence

In 1992 An Bord Pleanala made a decision that no more than three non-GAA events  could be held at Croke Park annually. And in 2009, after the three U2 concerts, an agreement was signed between residents and Croke Park that the Bord Pleanala decision would remain in place.

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/music-news/croker-locals-reject-500k-garth-brooks-legacy-offer-30391457.html#sthash.JF3jaAxO.dpuf

Irate local residents had launched a major campaign because a written agreement in 2009 outlined that no more than three concerts were to be held at the stadium each year.

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/music-news/exclusive-fears-grow-that-all-five-garth-brooks-gigs-will-be-cancelled-30404148.html#sthash.y7B7eXry.dpuf

In 2009 a written agreement was reached between locals and Croke Park owners the GAA to limit the number of concerts per year to three.

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/Croke-Park-residents-vow-to-oppose-license-for-Garth-Brooks-concerts.html

AudreyHepburn · 03-07-2014 01:46PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

There's an easy solution. Let all 5 concerts go ahead with three of them being used for the 2015 allowance and two for the 2016 allowance. That way the residents are likely to agree if they know 2015 will be concert free and only one being held in 2016 before going back to the normal three in 2017.

That's a way you could get the residents to agree and not disappoint 160,000 people who have bought tickets, booked hotels, etc. But it would mean less profits for the GAA so I won't be holding my breath that it will happen.

To be quite honest I don't think the residents will be happy until ALL concerts are banned outright.

Which is sad really, what a shame it would be to see this great venue sitting silent and unused for large parts of the year.

At this point I think all this has less to do with the concerts themselves and more to do with sticking it to the GAA, Aiken and MGM. But that's just IMO.

Fred Swanson · 03-07-2014 01:46PM

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Reformed Character · 03-07-2014 01:46PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

so you're saying RTE, TV3, The Independent, The journal and the solicitors involved are all lying about this agrrement?

And the GAA who accept it exists.

stooge · 03-07-2014 01:47PM

if the fri/sat/sun gigs do go ahead, you would hope that concertgoers dont do anything stupid to residents houses/property as a form of retaliation. Enough bad publicity already for the GAA and aiken.

RFOLEY1990 · 03-07-2014 01:48PM

stooge wrote: »

if the fri/sat/sun gigs do go ahead, you would hope that concertgoers dont do anything stupid to residents houses/property as a form of retaliation. Enough bad publicity already for the GAA and aiken.

pack of hoodlums, them Garth Brooks fans.

JRant · 03-07-2014 01:50PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Ah it's terrible Joe, terrible. Should be ashamed of themselves.

recyclops · 03-07-2014 01:51PM

the real impact rears its head

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/irish-hotels-federation-garth-brooks-situation-was-avoidable-30404439.html

JRant · 03-07-2014 01:51PM

EricPraline wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/music-news/croker-locals-reject-500k-garth-brooks-legacy-offer-30391457.html#sthash.JF3jaAxO.dpuf

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/music-news/exclusive-fears-grow-that-all-five-garth-brooks-gigs-will-be-cancelled-30404148.html#sthash.y7B7eXry.dpuf

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/Croke-Park-residents-vow-to-oppose-license-for-Garth-Brooks-concerts.html

EOTR does not deal in facts. do not expect a reasoned response to your post.

El Horseboxo · 03-07-2014 01:52PM

Word here on the radio in Oklahoma is that he's pulling out of the whole tour and doing one in the US in 2015. No idea of sources truth in it. Presenter said it came from Brooks camp.

Fred Swanson · 03-07-2014 01:54PM

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beakerjoe · 03-07-2014 01:54PM

El Horseboxo wrote: »

Word here on the radio in Oklahoma is that he's pulling out of the whole tour and doing one in the US in 2015. No idea of sources truth in it. Presenter said it came from Brooks camp.

Brooks camp trolling the Irish Fans:D

ssaye2 · 03-07-2014 01:54PM

Would a peaceful protest around the area with the 160000 people affected be allowed?

:eek: :pac:

Smidge · 03-07-2014 01:56PM

Damn you Boards for making me listen to Joe :mad:

j8wk2feszrnpao · 03-07-2014 01:56PM

Wow. Took a bit of reading to catch up on all this!
Some really dis-likable people, from both sides, have made awful comments.

I'm neither a resident nor someone going to the concert. The concerts don't affect me in anyway.
I feel sorry for those that are missing out on the concert. It's their passion/pleasure (not sure why some people have to degrade them for that) to see GB, so I can sympathise with them (even if GB isn't my cup of tea).

But the GAA and the promoters are the ones who the anger should be directed at.
The venue is the GAA's, and they have an agreement with the local residents, which the GAA/promoters were attempting to exploit.
The residents have a right to object to something which affects them most of all.

Considering when the concerts was announced, why they waited so long to apply for permission is pathetic.
It just stinks, that by waiting until as late as possible, they hoped they would forced the DCC into approving the decision.
The GAA and the promoters took the money and sold tickets to something they promised but would have difficulty in providing.

As for the "don't live by a stadium" attitude, well that has some merit. I personally checked every possible development that may occur when I bought my place.
But I don't think that the residents were ever informed of possibly 8 concerts occurring, along with the continuous increase of games that get moved to Croke Park.
At a certain point the residents have to take a stand or they'll just be trampled over.

Rough Sleeper · 03-07-2014 01:57PM

ssaye2 wrote: »

Would a peaceful protest around the area with the 160000 people affected be allowed?

:eek: :pac:

Yes, you should all camp out there in prams and throw your toys at the residents as the pass by.

JRant · 03-07-2014 01:57PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

To be quite honest I don't think the residents will be happy until ALL concerts are banned outright.

Which is sad really, what a shame it would be to see this great venue sitting silent and unused for large parts of the year.

How do you know this?

I live in the area, have friends and family in the area and not one person I have spoken to was looking for all 5 nights cancelled. Most residents actually enjoy the weekend gigs, have friends around for a bbq and drinks and generally get on with it. Where his fell down was imposing severe restrictions on a Monday and Tuesday when people have kids to drop off and collect, jobs to go to, etc etc.

I can also say, having been involved with the 'Meal's on Wheels' scheme in the area that there are a lot of vulnerable elderly people living around CP and 5 nights of disruption for them would be way OTT.

Valetta · 03-07-2014 01:58PM

recyclops wrote: »

the real impact rears its head

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/irish-hotels-federation-garth-brooks-situation-was-avoidable-30404439.html

From that article:

IHF President Stephen McNally says that the cancellation would deal a blow to tourism businesses: “The Garth Brooks concerts are a major tourism event this year and hotels have seen enormous interest both at home and from overseas visitors, particularly from the UK and rest of Europe. Many of these visitors will have planned to extend their visit and travel outside of Dublin during their stay, so the impact will also be felt further afield across the country.” - See more at: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/irish-hotels-federation-garth-brooks-situation-was-avoidable-30404439.html#sthash.YBCWjVGm.dpuf

I would have thought that anyone that booked from abroad and was planning to extend their stay to travel outside Dublin will still come. All they are missing is the concert.

JRant · 03-07-2014 01:59PM

El Horseboxo wrote: »

Word here on the radio in Oklahoma is that he's pulling out of the whole tour and doing one in the US in 2015. No idea of sources truth in it. Presenter said it came from Brooks camp.

He could well use this fiasco to pull out of the remaining 3 gigs and still get paid for all 5 through the courts.

Irishcrx · 03-07-2014 02:00PM

He won't be pulling out of the whole tour, won't want to loose the money or the risk of the fanbase turning on him, the 3 night's will go ahead no doubt.

I'm disapointed for the people who are missing out , I've tickets for the Saturday night luckily but they pushed their luck holding the OD gigs there as well this year. On the flip side if you bought a house close to Croke park tough, GAA events are held there and concerts are held there get over it.

This will be an ongoing battle for years to come. Frankly f*** the residents, 180,000 people are going to be out of pocket, businesses are going to loose money and I think the whole event was a great boost for the country regardless if anyone on here likes/hates his music there was a lot of demand and buzz for the event overshadowed by all this crap.

And I don't think it will get any better , I'd hate to see property damaged in the area but there is a chance that is going to happen Garda presence will have to ramped up for the 3 gigs.

Fred Swanson · 03-07-2014 02:00PM

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Faolchu · 03-07-2014 02:00PM

El Horseboxo wrote: »

Word here on the radio in Oklahoma is that he's pulling out of the whole tour and doing one in the US in 2015. No idea of sources truth in it. Presenter said it came from Brooks camp.

earlier this year brooks hinted at a world our starting at the end of 2014.
as for him pulling out because of breach of contract etc, i'm find it hard to believe that the contract that was signed didnt include a clause for a situation where the license wasnt granted. I mean the GAA and Atkin would have known it was a possability so should have considered it when drawing up the contract.

Penn · 03-07-2014 02:01PM

The simple fact is the promoter and the GAA shouldn't have sold tickets for a concert where there was reasonable doubt the concert might not go ahead. All blame lies with them.

urabell · 03-07-2014 02:01PM

You don't play games with the invisible hand without repercussions, the law of supply and demand is as sacred as the law of gravity.

I foresee the gravest of grave consequences, heads will roll until balance is restored.

stefan idiot jones · 03-07-2014 02:01PM

How will this effect Sepultura?

AudreyHepburn · 03-07-2014 02:02PM

JRant wrote: »

How do you know this?

I live in the area, have friends and family in the area and not one person I have spoken to was looking for all 5 nights cancelled. Most residents actually enjoy the weekend gigs, have friends around for a bbq and drinks and generally get on with it. Where his fell down was imposing severe restrictions on a Monday and Tuesday when people have kids to drop off and collect, jobs to go to, etc etc.

I can also say, having been involved with the 'Meal's on Wheels' scheme in the area that there are a lot of vulnerable elderly people living around CP and 5 nights of disruption for them would be way OTT.

Well the fact that they already looking for the next two years to be concert free. What's to stop them asking for the next two years after that, and the next two, and the next two?

My main worry with all of this is really just where will it stop?

They've won this victory, what's stop them from going further?

If they enjoy it so much then there wouldn't have been the huge uproar there was.

zefer · 03-07-2014 02:04PM

I think the hoteliers have some cheek with that statement in the indo. What about them doubling the price of hotel rooms for those few nights?? Nothing in that statement about the damage that does to the reputation, rip off ireland at its best

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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