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Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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  • #3812
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Chance The Rapper wrote: »
    How can you blame the gaa?
    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Garth Brooks has been on the go for decades and has legions of fans worldwide. It's not really that hard to understand tbh.

    If you want to lay blame, lay it where it is actually due. Blame all those fans. The extra concerts would never have even been considered it the demand wasn't there in the first place.

    They had an agreement in place and broke it.


  • #3813
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Chance The Rapper wrote: »
    How can you blame the gaa?
    Because they are the ones who signed a deal with the residents for a MAXIMUM of three concerts a year, and then tried to cash in by having a total of 8 this year.


  • #3814
    lambayire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭lambayire


    Chance The Rapper wrote: »
    How can you blame the gaa?

    I'd certainly blame the GAA for some of this. They knew about the 2009 agreement with the residents. 8 gigs in the year was always taking the pi**.


  • #3815
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Rightwing wrote: »
    They had an agreement in place and broke it.

    I understood that the agreement was 3 nights with the possibility of adding more licence pending.

    So no, they broke no agreement

    Again blame where it's warranted.


  • #3816
    Paulie1987
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Paulie1987


    JRant wrote: »
    What in the name of jaysus has building an airport got to do with license approval for a few concerts?

    Seriously, what is your point?

    Ok il simplify :). An airport Is likely to be daily noise pollution 24/7 365 days of the year. Garth brooks playing a few gigs is 5 days in these persons lives. Why not go on holiday with the money being offered and come back when Garth has come and gone :)


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  • #3817
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,273 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    miss no stars wrote: »
    Yet most people didn't. I bought my parents tickets for Monday and tickets for my brother and I for Tuesday.

    I was looking forward to going.

    I thought the deal the mediator came up with was reasonable.

    I completely understand the residents' problems with concerts in Croke Park. I get it. I agree with them. But, I do think it's a bit unfair on the 160,000 people who were looking forward to going to something that's now only a couple of weeks away.

    I really think that having the agreement to limit it to 9 events in a 3 year period (only 1 more between 2015 and 2016) would have been the best solution for everyone.

    I'd be lying if I said I'm not disappointed, I've feck all to be excited about these days and life's quite sh!t lately so I was actually looking forward to getting out for a change :(

    And i feel bad for people like you, It was those who dragged this thread down with childish namecalling and threats and refused to actually participate in a discussion i had no time for. Hopefully you get sorted


  • #3818
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I understood that the agreement was 3 nights with the possibility of adding more licence pending.

    So no, they broke no agreement

    Again blame where it's warranted.

    We have to get out of this mindset that everything the GAA does is great. It isn't.

    We need to be critical across the board, and the GAA failed badly here.


  • #3819
    Plazaman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭Plazaman


    A resurgance of tickets for sale back on Done Deal within the the last 2 hours. Sky high prices for Fri/Sat/Sun and even a few chancers trying to sell Mon/Tue tickets.

    I sold my Sunday tickets in order to get Monday tickets :(
    Originally Posted by Rightwing

    How there could have ever been demand for 5 concerts is beyond me.

    The GAA are the ones I blame for this fiasco. They should be sued.

    This is his first worldwide appearance in years. I'd say a huge number of tickets were sold internationally and rumours were he was to announce a world tour from Croke Park. Break out the popcorn.


  • #3820
    Irishcrx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Irishcrx


    Rightwing wrote: »
    How there could have ever been demand for 5 concerts is beyond me.

    The GAA are the ones I blame for this fiasco. They should be sued.

    What are you on about? Obviously the demand was there the 5 nights were sold out. The three original concerts were sold out in record time and touts were mopping up with huge prices for tickets..


  • #3821
    OhHiMark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭OhHiMark


    Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »
    How is it not the residents fault the only reason 5 nights are not going ahead is because some residents are so far up their own hole they wont but up with a small bit of disruption and instead ruin the plans of 100's of thousands of people.

    Karma is going to bite them residents and bite them hard......

    I hope you only have tickets for the cancelled gigs.


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  • #3822
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,273 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I understood that the agreement was 3 nights with the possibility of adding more licence pending.

    So no, they broke no agreement

    Again blame where it's warranted.
    That was the planning permission 1993,

    The agreement was made in 2009.
    Paulie1987 wrote: »
    Ok il simplify :). An airport Is likely to be daily noise pollution 24/7 365 days of the year. Garth brooks playing a few gigs is 5 days in these persons lives. Why not go on holiday with the money being offered and come back when Garth has come and gone :)
    What money has been offered?


  • #3823
    Titzon Toast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭Titzon Toast


    Paulie1987 wrote: »
    Ok il simplify :). An airport Is likely to be daily noise pollution 24/7 365 days of the year. Garth brooks playing a few gigs is 5 days in these persons lives. Why not go on holiday with the money being offered and come back when Garth has come and gone :)

    5 nights is not true, there would be major disruption for days before and after the gigs.
    And for the last time. The residents where NOT after money.


  • #3824
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    That was the planning permission 1993,

    The agreement was made in 2009.


    What money has been offered?

    Fair enough. I stand by my point though.

    The GAA are not to blame, Supply and Demand is to blame.


  • #3825
    justsomebloke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,407 ✭✭✭✭justsomebloke


    miss no stars wrote: »
    I'd be lying if I said I'm not disappointed, I've feck all to be excited about these days and life's quite sh!t lately so I was actually looking forward to getting out for a change :(

    If you are interested in going to outdoor events can I suggest a Leinster season ticket as an alternative. go for a terrace ticket. Yes an interest in Rugby is preferable but not necessary for you to enjoy yourself!

    Alternatively LOI games would be a great way to get out to live events with a good atmosphere.

    Obviously I'll say away from suggesting GAA events as going back to Croker mabe a sore point:pac:


  • #3826
    miss no stars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭miss no stars


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    That was the planning permission 1993,

    The agreement was made in 2009.


    What money has been offered?

    Didn't the mediator suggest an agreement whereby there are only 9 concerts in a 3 year period and €500,000 to be donated to the residents? CPRA turned it down.


  • #3827
    [Deleted User]
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    OhHiMark wrote: »
    I hope you only have tickets for the cancelled gigs.

    I just bought tickets for the Sunday night the second I heard the others were cancelled ;):D


  • #3828
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    miss no stars wrote: »
    Yet most people didn't. I bought my parents tickets for Monday and tickets for my brother and I for Tuesday.

    I was looking forward to going.

    I thought the deal the mediator came up with was reasonable.

    I completely understand the residents' problems with concerts in Croke Park. I get it. I agree with them. But, I do think it's a bit unfair on the 160,000 people who were looking forward to going to something that's now only a couple of weeks away.

    I really think that having the agreement to limit it to 9 events in a 3 year period (only 1 more between 2015 and 2016) would have been the best solution for everyone.

    I'd be lying if I said I'm not disappointed, I've feck all to be excited about these days and life's quite sh!t lately so I was actually looking forward to getting out for a change :(

    Feel sorry for the genuine people losing out - of which i know some - but blame the people that broke an agreement and went ahead and sold tickets subject to a licence that they knew was stretching it.


  • #3829
    Paulie1987
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Paulie1987


    EricPraline wrote: »
    Except for the unprecedented demand for the One Direction concerts earlier this year. And obviously the next U2 homecoming gigs will be a once-off too, and so on.

    In 2009 the GAA agreed a deal with local residents to a maximum of three concerts per year. In 2014, they have already had three nights for One Direction and were pushing for another five nights for Brooks. Looking for 1-2 extra concerts when 3 were agreed is one thing, but 5 extra nights above the agreed number is just taking the piss. What was the point in the GAA agreeing the original contract if they were going to renege on it? If the residents didn't complain, of course it sets a precedent for this to happen every year.

    People are quick to blame the residents. May they should re-target their vitriol at Croke Park and the promoters who sold them tickets based on a planning license which they could never deliver on. I can clearly understand people being very disappointed now, but it is the concert organisers who have created this disappointment by their presumption that they could ignore an agreement that was already in place.

    U2 have toured many times in the last 10/20 years. There is demand but nothing like the demand of these gigs which are a one off. He has not announced a proper tour and has not visited Ireland in 20 years. I understand there is a disruption but do you honestly not think it is mean spirited to deprive 180,000 people 1 night of enjoyment amongst all the doom and gloom this country has to offer?


  • #3830
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,490 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »
    I just bought tickets for the Sunday night the second I heard the others were cancelled ;):D

    Oh right, so are you still going to "cause havoc" on the cancelled nights or are you just a me feiner who only cared about yourself?


  • #3831
    Chance The Rapper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭Chance The Rapper


    Surely the promoters should be getting the blame rather than the GAA


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  • #3832
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    Holy ****

    http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/music-news/exclusive-fears-grow-that-all-five-garth-brooks-gigs-will-be-cancelled-30404148.html
    wrote:
    THERE is strong speculation today that all five of the Garth Brooks concerts may be cancelled.

    Independent.ie has learned from separate sources in Croke Park and in the music industry that the country superstar may pull out of all his Irish gigs, after Dublin City Council only gave a licence for three of the five concerts.

    This ruling is in breach of the contract that Brooks signed with Aiken Promotions for five concerts.
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    A source told this website today: “I would expect that none of these concerts will now go ahead.”

    And I mean that sincerely, this would be a horrible disappointment to a lot of people.


  • #3833
    Homer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,424 ✭✭✭Homer


    anncoates wrote: »
    Feel sorry for the genuine people losing out - of which i know some - but blame the people that broke an agreement and went ahead and sold tickets subject to a licence that they knew was stretching it.

    You could say the same for people that buy concert tickets that have printed on them "subject to license " it's a chance each side takes.
    On a positive note my Sunday night tickets have gone up in value exponentially :)


  • #3834
    justsomebloke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,407 ✭✭✭✭justsomebloke


    Paulie1987 wrote: »
    U2 have toured many times in the last 10/20 years. There is demand but nothing like the demand of these gigs which are a one off. He has not announced a proper tour and has not visited Ireland in 20 years. I understand there is a disruption but do you honestly not think it is mean spirited to deprive 180,000 people 1 night of enjoyment amongst all the doom and gloom this country has to offer?

    Well If the promoter had picked a suitable venue initially this wouldn't be a problem and the 180,000 could still have been going to see him still.


  • #3835
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Paulie1987 wrote: »
    U2 have toured many times in the last 10/20 years. There is demand but nothing like the demand of these gigs which are a one off. He has not announced a proper tour and has not visited Ireland in 20 years. I understand there is a disruption but do you honestly not think it is mean spirited to deprive 180,000 people 1 night of enjoyment amongst all the doom and gloom this country has to offer?

    I doubt this cowboy was ever capable of a proper tour. Now having said, I do feel for punters who got messed over.


  • #3836
    anncoates
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    Chance The Rapper wrote: »
    Surely the promoters should be getting the blame rather than the GAA

    The promoters don't own the venue. They're not the ones that are supposed to deal with the local community.


  • #3837
    [Deleted User]
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    Ush1 wrote: »
    Oh right, so are you still going to "cause havoc" on the cancelled nights or are you just a me feiner who only cared about yourself?

    No I'll go to the 7 days of the Galway races now instead of 6 ;)


  • #3838
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,206 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Paulie1987 wrote: »
    Ok il simplify :). An airport Is likely to be daily noise pollution 24/7 365 days of the year. Garth brooks playing a few gigs is 5 days in these persons lives. Why not go on holiday with the money being offered and come back when Garth has come and gone :)

    Does. Not. Compute.

    An airport is a piece of infrastructure. Croke Park is an asset belonging to a private organisation. Therefore any comparison is pure bunk.

    I would also like to call you up on the BS claim about the RA being offered money and using it to go on holidays. Never happened and you're just making stuff up.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #3839
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    anncoates wrote: »
    The promoters don't own the venue. They're not the ones that are supposed to deal with the local community.

    Yeah, no limit to the GAA greed, acting like spongers.


  • #3840
    wyndham
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭wyndham


    Expect action in the High Court this afternoon.


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  • #3841
    pc7
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    I used to live beside Croker and it was a pain but we knew it was there first when we moved. Back then there were only a few concerts and we always found match days much worse, more disruptive and the people more annoying and pissed.
    5 days was an awful lot to expect, Croker and Aiken are to blame for this. But I feel sorry for those that have tickets for the canceled shows. Also for the lost revenue, this was going to be an amazing boost to the city and country between, hotels, restaurants and people getting hair/nails done etc. It really shouldn't have come to this.


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