Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 mod warning linked in OP 26/07

noodler · 03-07-2014 10:58AM

Dickerty wrote: »

Thank you! I am not having that Arsenal are a bigger draw than us. What player cares that their dull stadium holds more dull fans? The atmosphere are Anfield is world renowned.

We can pay top wages, we can give CL football, we have a young improving team, and a manager who wants to win it all, not settle for CL mediocrity each year...

I think you need to step away from this as a fan and think about a foreign player making the decision to come to Liverpool.

seany212121 wrote: »

Why wouldn't they be? One good season in 5 years and Liverpool are the top club in England all of a sudden. Arsenal are a club run exceptionally with a world class respected manager, richer then most clubs in England and run in a exceptional way, to top it all off there based smack bang in London. You can talk about history all you want Arsenal have a great history also but do you think a player will take history into consideration. You may argue that Liverpool had a better season then arsenal but in the end Arsenal were about 2 wins off Liverpool and finished the season with silverware. They are an will be a much bigger draw for nearly all players out there.

Pretty much all this.

We have plenty of work to do to be seen as a bigger draw than Arsenal after the last 5 years and one great season isn't going to chnage that. It remains to be seen if we can cope with losing our best player - Arsenal have proven they can.

03-07-2014 10:59AM

murpho999 wrote: »

That the club should not be criticised for selling him and people should realise that Suarez is the one pushing for this and therefore the club should just get it over and done with quickly.

Could you blame him for wanting to go to Barca? He's owes the club fcuk all.

As you've said, footballers are different animals. Very few have any loyalty and would at the drop of a hat if a club of that stature came knocking.

I said last year I'd be happy if he gave us one more season and he did so best of luck to him.

03-07-2014 11:01AM

Have to admit, I'm almost more worried about who we bring in than Suarez leaving.

2 top class forwards are needed to replace him alone.

grumpymunster · 03-07-2014 11:03AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

BBC have it on their front page that talks between us and Barcelona are progressing. While suspecting he'd go, never thought the day would come. Have to say I would be crushed if we were to lose him.

If we draw Barcelona in the group stages , I will be ripping.

Dickerty wrote: »

Well if his ban stands, he could well be suspended for both legs!

I thought it was 3 CL matches he was banned for?

Now I know it has been an awful long time since Liverpool played CL football but he cannot miss both legs as the first 3 games are against the 3 teams in the group and typically the 3rd & 4th games are back to back.

Therefore if Liverpool draw Barcelona in the group stages and Suarez is transferred to Barcelona he should be available if fit and selected for one game and banned for one game.

greendom · 03-07-2014 11:05AM

Dickerty wrote: »

So, like when they sold Anelka, Overmars, Viera, Adebayor, Toure, Henry, Fabregas, Song, Nasri, RVP...

Yes, he finds good replacements, but Arsenal have sold their best players consistantly over the last decade.

Funding new stadium development is tough on finances as you lot are sure to find out sooner or later.

03-07-2014 11:05AM

I'll be amazed if his ban isn't reduced if he goes to Barca?

In fact are there odds anywhere?

Drexel · 03-07-2014 11:06AM

Dickerty wrote: »

So, like when they sold Anelka, Overmars, Viera, Adebayor, Toure, Henry, Fabregas, Song, Nasri, RVP...

Yes, he finds good replacements, but Arsenal have sold their best players consistantly over the last decade.

Im not agruing that at all. We have. But I was pointing out that Liverpool sell their best players too. Torres, Alonso and Mascherano just off the top of my head and now Suarez looks like leaving.

Put it this way, last season Arsenal bought one of the best players out there. This year Liverpool are selling one.

cunnifferous · 03-07-2014 11:07AM

Suarez scored or assisted 43% of our goals last season. Irreplaceable.

Dickerty · 03-07-2014 11:07AM

seany212121 wrote: »

Why wouldn't they be? One good season in 5 years and Liverpool are the top club in England all of a sudden. Arsenal are a club run exceptionally with a world class respected manager, richer then most clubs in England and run in a exceptional way, to top it all off there based smack bang in London. You can talk about history all you want Arsenal have a great history also but do you think a player will take history into consideration. You may argue that Liverpool had a better season then arsenal but in the end Arsenal were about 2 wins off Liverpool and finished the season with silverware. They are an will be a much bigger draw for nearly all players out there.

You are painting far too simple a picture. If you want to take the complicated route, how long will Wenger be there? Will they sell Ramsey or Ozil to a rival, as they have consistantly sold their best players at their peak? Why have they not broken into the top 2 for TEN years? (we've been there twice)
Always the bridesmaids.

Or if you keep it simple, and remember that Liverpool is a cosmopolitan city, and roughly the same distance flight back to Barca where his gf is from. He's a footballer, he'll think about football first. The NW of England is good enough for tons of Spanish and South American players, it's not Iceland...

egghead. · 03-07-2014 11:10AM

Dickerty wrote: »

You are painting far too simple a picture. If you want to take the complicated route, how long will Wenger be there? Will they sell Ramsey or Ozil to a rival, as they have consistantly sold their best players at their peak? Why have they not broken into the top 2 for TEN years? (we've been there twice)
Always the bridesmaids.

Or if you keep it simple, and remember that Liverpool is a cosmopolitan city, and roughly the same distance flight back to Barca where his gf is from. He's a footballer, he'll think about football first. The NW of England is good enough for tons of Spanish and South American players, it's not Iceland...

Wenger just signed a three year contract.

Dickerty · 03-07-2014 11:11AM

greendom wrote: »

Funding new stadium development is tough on finances as you lot are sure to find out sooner or later.

You lot? Nice.

Arsenal build an entire stadium, cost almost £400M.
Us lot are upgrading parts of an existing stadium for £150M.
We will not be selling star players to fund the stadium, that is a standard infrastructure cost which will be ammortised over time!

Francie Barrett · 03-07-2014 11:11AM

seany212121 wrote: »

One good season in 5 years and Liverpool are the top club in England all of a sudden.

Fail.

No one is saying we're the best club in England, but we're certainly up there. Yes, we have a pretty awful 3 seasons or so, but we've re-established ourselves.

seany212121 wrote: »

Arsenal are a club run exceptionally with a world class respected manager, richer then most clubs in England and run in a exceptional way, to top it all off there based smack bang in London. You can talk about history all you want Arsenal have a great history also but do you think a player will take history into consideration. You may argue that Liverpool had a better season then arsenal but in the end Arsenal were about 2 wins off Liverpool and finished the season with silverware. They are an will be a much bigger draw for nearly all players out there.

Wrong. The London thing is ridiculously overrated. Players essentially want two things.

1. Money. Liverpool can match Arsenal here.
2. To win trophies at the highest level possible. Both teams have won feck all in recent years.

If anything, I would have us as being slightly ahead of Arsenal as an attractive destination. At least we look progressive. Arsenal seem happy enough to be perennial 4th placers.

03-07-2014 11:14AM

cunnifferous wrote: »

Suarez scored or assisted 43% of our goals last season. Irreplaceable.

Especially when you consider the amount of goals we scored

greendom · 03-07-2014 11:14AM

Dickerty wrote: »

You lot? Nice.

Arsenal build an entire stadium, cost almost £400M.
Us lot are upgrading parts of an existing stadium for £150M.
We will not be selling star players to fund the stadium, that is a standard infrastructure cost which will be ammortised over time!

Apologies, it was meant with affection, even if it didn't come across that way.

Fair play to the Liverpool board if they can do it without affecting the quality of players bought (or not sold)

egghead. · 03-07-2014 11:14AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Fail.

No one is saying we're the best club in England, but we're certainly up there. Yes, we have a pretty awful 3 seasons or so, but we've re-established ourselves.

Wrong. The London thing is ridiculously overrated. Players essentially want two things.

1. Money. Liverpool can match Arsenal here.
2. To win trophies at the highest level possible. Both teams have won feck all in recent years.

If anything, I would have us as being slightly ahead of Arsenal as an attractive destination. At least we look progressive. Arsenal seem happy enough to be perennial 4th placers.

Well then why does it seem Sanchez prefers arsenal.

Francie Barrett · 03-07-2014 11:17AM

egghead. wrote: »

Well then why does it seem Sanchez prefers arsenal.

When did he tell you that?

Lex Luthor · 03-07-2014 11:17AM

Ballague confirmed on SS this morning that Liverpool and Barca have been talking long before the WC about Suarez transfer
It was always on the cards this year
Lets see if Rodgers can find the 2014 version of when Keegan left and they brought in Dalglish...I trust in the man, he's not done too bad so far
We should be moving on now and supporting the lads who are still wearing the red shirt for next season

NukaCola · 03-07-2014 11:17AM

jonny666 wrote: »

Put it this way, last season Arsenal bought one of the best players out there. This year Liverpool are selling one.

Ozil is fast becoming one of the most over rated players in the history of the EPL. The way some people are going on about him you'd swear he was exceptional at Arsenal. Decent player but for the money paid he had a very average season.

One of the best out there he certainly is not.

seany212121 · 03-07-2014 11:19AM

Dickerty wrote: »

You are painting far too simple a picture. If you want to take the complicated route, how long will Wenger be there? Will they sell Ramsey or Ozil to a rival, as they have consistantly sold their best players at their peak? Why have they not broken into the top 2 for TEN years? (we've been there twice)
Always the bridesmaids.

Or if you keep it simple, and remember that Liverpool is a cosmopolitan city, and roughly the same distance flight back to Barca where his gf is from. He's a footballer, he'll think about football first. The NW of England is good enough for tons of Spanish and South American players, it's not Iceland...

Dont mean to sound stupid here but if he thinks about football first why would he not go to arsenal, There is a good chance he hasn't a clue who Brendan Rodgers is or know much about the history of Liverpool. Saurez going is huge it send out mixed messages best player leaving the club. Like you said you can make it simple arsenal may not have been in the top 2 for the last 10 years but Liverpool have never won the premier league. You can argue both sides but Arsenal are a bigger pull. The have financed a new stadium and still maintained a top club status the days of arsenal selling there best players are over. I admire the way Liverpool are run dont get me wrong but its stupid to think there a bigger pull then Arsenal.

gafferino · 03-07-2014 11:19AM

NukaCola wrote: »

Ozil is fast becoming one of the most over rated players in the history of the EPL. The way some people are going on about him you'd swear he was exceptional at Arsenal. Decent player but for the money paid he had a very average season.

One of the best out there he certainly is not.

Yeah but that was only his first season. I dont think his pedigree is in doubt but rather his ability to produce it in the premier league which isnt always a given. See how he is this season imo.

greendom · 03-07-2014 11:19AM

NukaCola wrote: »

Ozil is fast becoming one of the most over rated players in the history of the EPL. The way some people are going on about him you'd swear he was exceptional at Arsenal. Decent player but for the money paid he had a very average season.

One of the best out there he certainly is not.

Bookmarked

NukaCola · 03-07-2014 11:19AM

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Ballague confirmed on SS this morning that Liverpool and Barca have been talking long before the WC about Suarez transfer
It was always on the cards this year
Lets see if Rodgers can find the 2014 version of when Keegan left and they brought in Dalglish...I trust in the man, he's not done too bad so far
We should be moving on now and supporting the lads who are still wearing the red shirt for next season

Ballague is a chancer

Knex* · 03-07-2014 11:20AM

greendom wrote: »

Funding new stadium development is tough on finances as you lot are sure to find out sooner or later.

I said it last year. Stadium developments coinciding with Gerrard and Suarez no longer being around, will be tough for Liverpool to cope with and progress from.

At that time, I felt Suarez would be around for 2014/15 as well.

Francie Barrett · 03-07-2014 11:20AM

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Ballague confirmed on SS this morning

Not saying the move won't happen, but Balague has been spectacularly wrong on a lot of this kind of thing before. I think he's just regurgitating other rumours in the hope it makes him look like he's in the know.

Dickerty · 03-07-2014 11:22AM

cunnifferous wrote: »

Suarez scored or assisted 43% of our goals last season. Irreplaceable.

So you don't replace him with a single player. Coutinho was involved in 12 goals, Lallana is an upgrade there.
Sterling was involved in 16 goals, but only got going 1/3rd of the way into the season, so he'll improve those numbers.
And whoever replaces Suarez himself, Sanchez was involved in 38 goals for Barca, despite playing out wide usually and not starting every game.

PLUS, we can use the extra cash to improve the defense, so hopefully we don't NEED 101 goals to fall short of top spot...

03-07-2014 11:22AM

Suarez looks as if it's a done deal it's only a matter of agreeing the figure..

If Sanchez opts for Arsenal, who should we be targeting?

klose · 03-07-2014 11:22AM

Lol baltter is praising suarez for apolagising now, he will end up with a small ban when he moves to barca. Farcical stuff happening.

tritium · 03-07-2014 11:22AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Yeah he is:

- Torres was never a top three in the world player;
- Juve's situation has always been very different to ours;
- Liverpool have a poor record in the transfer market as a club over the past decade;
- Yeah, I'm sure we can keep winning the lottery;

I wonder why people are compelled to write posts like the above? Who are they trying to kid with respect to minimising the significance of his departure?

We're compelled to write them because we don't agree with your prophets of doom stuff Lloyd, sorry if it bothers you so much (actually I'm not)

Suarez wasn't a top 3 player when we bought him. That came during his time at Anfield (though I'd argue we have slightly rose tinted glasses on here since he's only really done (exceptionally) well in the PL.

Zidane when sold to RM was one of if not the best players on the planet. Juve did what any club can do in that situation- the spent the money and bought some players. Critically they didn't do a spurs, they bought the players they needed rather than raided the sweetshop

Agreed we've been poor on transfers, but we haven't had fsg for the last decade. You'd hope the transfer committee is a recognition of the mistakes of the past and while they're not perfect I'm prepared to give them a bit if time rather than rushing to judgement.

Its not about winning the lottery. If it was we wouldn't see clubs using this strategy over and over again. It is different, and risky when you're competing with spending power like Chelsea and city but so is doing a Leeds and expecting to live outside your means. Realistically Liverpool can expect one marquee signing every season or two. The rest of the quality has to come through other channels.

NukaCola · 03-07-2014 11:22AM

greendom wrote: »

Bookmarked

:pac:

In all honesty, do you think he is currently one of the best Midfielders in World football. I dont think he is even the best Midfielder at Arsenal.

Francie Barrett · 03-07-2014 11:23AM

seany212121 wrote: »

The have financed a new stadium and still maintained a top club status the days of arsenal selling there best players are over. I admire the way Liverpool are run dont get me wrong but its stupid to think there a bigger pull then Arsenal.

Footballers don't give a stuff about stadiums or how well a club is run. They want trophies and cold hard cash! Right now, there's virtually no difference between what either club can offer.

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