Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

bangkok · 02-07-2014 11:44AM

yes player exchanges never go down well with the player being exchanged, egos and all that. Player feels undervalued and usually kicks up a fuss.

remember real Madrid tried to offer us robinho when they were signing Ronaldo, robinho wasn't one bit happy

Vic Vinegar · 02-07-2014 11:45AM

bangkok wrote: »

remember real Madrid tried to offer us robinho when they were signing Ronaldo, robinho wasn't one bit happy

I can't say we would have been delighted with that either.

beakerjoe · 02-07-2014 11:54AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Something that he and Suarez have in common.

I dont think Suarez is a liability. His goals , skills, team work and effort out weigh his bad publicity in my opinion.

Like a modern day Cantona of sorts. Has his bad side and its truly bad, but Id have him in my team anyday

Getting off topic though, this is a United thread.

DARK-KNIGHT · 02-07-2014 11:55AM

beakerjoe wrote: »

I dont think Suarez is a liability. His goals , skills, team work and effort out weigh his bad publicity in my opinion.

Like a modern day Cantona of sorts. Has his bad side and its truly bad, but Id have him in my team anyday

Getting off topic though, this is a United thread.

he has not got a patch on cantona

beakerjoe · 02-07-2014 11:57AM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

he has not got a patch on cantona

Lets be realistic, he does. 2 different players but with a lot in common.

redbaron_99 · 02-07-2014 11:57AM

beakerjoe wrote: »

I dont think Suarez is a liability. His goals , skills, team work and effort out weigh his bad publicity in my opinion.

Like a modern day Cantona of sorts. Has his bad side and its truly bad, but Id have him in my team anyday

Getting off topic though, this is a United thread.

He's a liability. Cantona was becoming a serious liability at one stage, until he cleaned up his act for good. He was a model professional after his ban. Suarez has already had a couple of bans, and still went and bit a player in a world cup match. Madness.

Anyways, who'd our next signing>?

Son Of A Vidic · 02-07-2014 12:00PM

beakerjoe wrote: »

I dont think Suarez is a liability. His goals , skills, team work and effort out weigh his bad publicity in my opinion.

Like a modern day Cantona of sorts.

Vic Vinegar · 02-07-2014 12:07PM

.

beakerjoe · 02-07-2014 12:08PM

Cantona was getting it from all angles when he did his infamous kung fu kick, being called a thug and a man who couldn't control his actions on a pitch.

He had great talent and skill and backed it up with his goals and some great performances.

The comparison is a fair one. Both amazingly talented and both had their discipline problems

I think some United fans forget the bad side and only remember the good, but we were in the similar situation as Liverpool are with Luis Suarez.

redbaron_99 · 02-07-2014 12:10PM

beakerjoe wrote: »

Cantona was getting it from all angles when he did his infamous kung fu kick, being called a thug and a man who couldn't control his actions on a pitch.

He had great talent and skill and backed it up with his goals and some great performances.

The comparison is a fair one. Both amazingly talented and both had their discipline problems

I think some United fans forget the bad side and only remember the good, but we were in the similar situation as Liverpool are with Luis Suarez.

As I pointed out eariler, cantona got a hefty ban and turned his career around. Suarez got a couple of bans and did it again on a bigger stage.
There's a difference.

StaticAge11 · 02-07-2014 12:10PM

New ad released for the new home kit. No reveal, just a tease

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-xaBCPz8Gs

RobertKK · 02-07-2014 12:12PM

Please no more Suarez, it is getting in the way of rumour, drooling about the thought Vidal could move to United, false twitter postings, LVG appreciation and other United stuff like how awful the new kit is even if we haven't seen it on the players...

brinty · 02-07-2014 12:13PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Anyways, who'd our next signing>?

Our next signing will San-dal.....
They've gone Chile on any offers not coming directly from Ed..
Ed's been wrapping the deals up since Saturday

beakerjoe · 02-07-2014 12:15PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

As I pointed out eariler, cantona got a hefty ban and turned his career around. Suarez got a couple of bans and did it again on a bigger stage.
There's a difference.

I see the difference, but Eric was no angel. He was my fav player growing up though.

He liked to stamp on opponents more than once and then kicked a fan. Just as bad as Suarez, though very different actions. Its debatable whether Cantona learned his lesson but its obvious Luis didnt.

I wasnt trying to derail this thread into a Luis Suarez thread, I just think that we were once in a similar situation with Eric. Ill say no more

TheDoc · 02-07-2014 12:23PM

I've put in a new chrome extension that replaces "Suarez" with "he who shall remain nameless"

beakerjoe · 02-07-2014 12:25PM

On the topic of Cantona, did anyone else take Eric or any other United players name as their Confirmation name??....no...just me??! Grand

......

God I used to love him

brinty · 02-07-2014 12:27PM

beakerjoe wrote: »

On the topic of Cantona, did anyone else take Eric or any other United players name as their Confirmation name??....no...just me??! Grand ......

God I used to love him

You'd want to have seen the look of the bishop when mine was said...Schmeichel

:eek:

The_Kew_Tour · 02-07-2014 12:28PM

beakerjoe wrote: »

On the topic of Cantona, did anyone else take Eric or any other United players name as their Confirmation name??....no...just me??! Grand ......

God I used to love him

I have a confession to make.

I took mine after a former Man City player from mid 90's who scored a winning goal against Blackburn in a time when I thought would result in United winning league.

So Blackburn won the league, I took a Man City players confession name and well the Kew Tour was anything but.

brinty · 02-07-2014 12:31PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I have a confession to make.

I took mine after a former Man City player from mid 90's who scored a winning goal against Blackburn in a time when I thought would result in United winning league.

So Blackburn won the league, I took a Man City players confession name and well the Kew Tour was anything but.

Hows it going Uwe....
or is it Rosler

beakerjoe · 02-07-2014 12:32PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I have a confession to make.

I took mine after a former Man City player from mid 90's who scored a winning goal against Blackburn in a time when I thought would result in United winning league.

So Blackburn won the league, I took a Man City players confession name and well the Kew Tour was anything but.

Was that Rosler who scored it?

The_Kew_Tour · 02-07-2014 12:35PM

brinty wrote: »

Hows it going Uwe....
or is it Rosler

beakerjoe wrote: »

Was that Rosler who scored it?

actually maybe your right Rosler getting the winner, its actually Paul Walsh.

*just realised he played for Liverpool too.

oh dear..

I have made better choices in my life I admit:p

Gary Walsh was not option as no Gary was a Saint back then(i think you had pick saints name)

Hangballlouie · 02-07-2014 12:37PM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

he has not got a patch on cantona

In a footballing sense?

brinty · 02-07-2014 12:37PM

Oh Kew, that disappoints me...
You could've siad it was after the Guv'nor himself...Ince
We'd never have known!!!

MagicIRL · 02-07-2014 12:39PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

actually maybe your right Rosler getting the winner, its actually Paul Walsh.

*just realised he played for Liverpool too.

oh dear..

I have made better choices in my life I admit:p

Gary Walsh was not option as no Gary was a Saint back then(i think you had pick saints name)

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beakerjoe · 02-07-2014 12:39PM

brinty wrote: »

Oh Kew, that disappoints me...
You could've siad it was after the Guv'nor himself...Ince
We'd never have known!!!

Even Pogba, a former pool and City player.... tut tut.

Andrei was my other option.... then Ryan... you get the picture

bucketybuck · 02-07-2014 12:39PM

I can think of one very important distinction between the Cantona and Suarez situations.

Why did Alex Ferguson stand by Eric Cantona when many people felt that he had gone too far and should be let go? It wasn't just because he was an important player, but also because Eric Cantona had a deep and abiding love for Manchester United, he was on record many times stating how much the club meant to him and he bought into the United culture completely. Don't forget, this is the guy who retired early rather than move abroad and rekindle his desire for football elsewhere, he didn't want to play for anybody but United.

Alex Ferguson clearly saw that if he stood by Cantona there was a high likelihood that Cantona would learn his lessons, that he would make the effort to stay out of trouble and repay the faith shown. And he was right.

Liverpool are now in a similar situation with Suarez, he has been banned again and what are they going to do with him? But does anybody think Suarez has the same love and loyalty to Liverpool that Cantona had to United? No chance.

The_Kew_Tour · 02-07-2014 12:39PM

brinty wrote: »

Oh Kew, that disappoints me...
You could've siad it was after the Guv'nor himself...Ince
We'd never have known!!!

ya. i was only 10-11 in my defense:pac:

The_Kew_Tour · 02-07-2014 12:40PM

sorry i let you all down:pac::pac:

martinr5232 · 02-07-2014 12:41PM

beakerjoe wrote: »

On the topic of Cantona, did anyone else take Eric or any other United players name as their Confirmation name??....no...just me??! Grand ......

God I used to love him

I called my young lad Eric :-)

The_Kew_Tour · 02-07-2014 12:44PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I can think of one very important distinction between the Cantona and Suarez situations.

Why did Alex Ferguson stand by Eric Cantona when many people felt that he had gone too far and should be let go? It wasn't just because he was an important player, but also because Eric Cantona had a deep and abiding love for Manchester United, he was on record many times stating how much the club meant to him and he bought into the United culture completely. Don't forget, this is the guy who retired early rather than move abroad and rekindle his desire for football elsewhere, he didn't want to play for anybody but United.

Alex Ferguson clearly saw that if he stood by Cantona there was a high likelihood that Cantona would learn his lessons, that he would make the effort to stay out of trouble and repay the faith shown. And he was right.

Liverpool are now in a similar situation with Suarez, he has been banned again and what are they going to do with him? But does anybody think Suarez has the same love and loyalty to Liverpool that Cantona had to United? No chance.

+1

and anybody who says different was either not old enough to remember, or just want to twist it.

never once back in 1995 did I fear Cantona would leave.

even Ronaldo was open enough to admit it that he wanted to play for Madrid.

it annoyed some United fans and others again tried twist that story, but I actually gained more respect for Ronaldo then when he admitted it.

at least he was honest enough to say he wanted out.

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