Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

Corvo · 02-07-2014 10:15AM

Al Capwned wrote: »

Does a captain really organise a team though?
It's someone who takes a toss. And to be honest it's all that it needs be.
I don't understand why sticking an armband on someone should make a blind bit of difference to their performance or leadership qualities. I think that the media blow up the importance of who the captain of any particular team is, especially the English media.

I'm a keeper, and have captained my club and league representative teams in the past, and it never changed the way I played, or the way I organised my defence, gave instruction to other players etc. Similarly, it never matters to me who the captain of my team is. I suppose it might make a difference to younger players, but to me there should be more than one leader on the pitch, regardless of who has a black armband on. Leadership qualities shouldn't be dependant on you wearing an armband, and I would contend that if it changes your demeanour or performance, then you shouldn't have it.

The likes of van Persie, Rooney, Carrick, Evra etc. etc. (all the more senior or longer serving players, and those that command the respect of others) should all be captains on the field in any case.

Yep, agree with this.

A lot like the England captaincy, its all a bit of a sham

Lucas Hood · 02-07-2014 10:16AM

Cuadrado is quality. Love watching him beat him man with ease.

redbaron_99 · 02-07-2014 10:17AM

TheTownie wrote: »

Formal bid for Cuadrado Gazzetta thinks;

Must say, I've been very impressed with him during this world cup. Interesting. 40 million Euro bid. Seems they've followed up on Gazetta's claim and it's not being denied.

Adamocovic · 02-07-2014 10:22AM

So again waking up to rumours saying United will make bids for Vermaelen, Hummels and De Vrij. Would love to see Hummels and De Vrij join.

I know De Vrij is Dutch so if he is linked with us it is immediately put in the : "Every Dutch player is linked with us wouldn't get my hopes up" pile but to be fair I really think that deal could happen. Club have said he is likely to leave, he can be bought for less than £10 million, young and VG seems to like him.

Also on my football manager career yesterday United sealed the deal of Cuadrado...maybe it's a sign that the rumour is true :P

beakerjoe · 02-07-2014 10:23AM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Cuadrado is quality. Love watching him beat him man with ease.

€40 mil is silly money though .... Could get better quality for that money.

Lucas Hood · 02-07-2014 10:24AM

beakerjoe wrote: »

€40 mil is silly money though .... Could get better quality for that money.

Not my money so I don't really care.

Mr.Prodston · 02-07-2014 10:25AM

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

Pure fantasy from myself here but I've been very impressed by Juan Cuadrado of Colombia and Fiorentina. Would be more than delighted to see him brought in and he might be a little more obtainable than James :pac: He just seems to be what Valencia should be.

While I'm in here I may as well add my welcome to Herrera and Shaw, give credit to Ed and look forward to more arrivals soon

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

Yeah I'm just reading up about him now and it seems that it's a release clause set at €40m. It's certainly far from a priority position, especially at that kind of price. Not that he's even a target anyway, just thinking out loud.

*cue a tabloid running it next week*

TheTownie wrote: »

Formal bid for Cuadrado Gazzetta thinks;

Heh :pac:

redbaron_99 · 02-07-2014 10:26AM

beakerjoe wrote: »

€40 mil is silly money though .... Could get better quality for that money.

Just under £32million. Who do you think would be better for that type of money?

Son Of A Vidic · 02-07-2014 10:26AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I had a dream we bought Vidal and Kroos.

A bit old for wet dreams I would have thought?...:pac:

Mitch Connor · 02-07-2014 10:31AM

First up, while I said I liked him, it is based only on what I have seen at the WC.

Where the feck does he play?

Looks like an attacking version of John O'Shea according to who scored.

I can see why LVG would like him. Obviously very versatile, which would come in very handy for a coach who likes to have a few formations up his sleeve, and be able to adapt quickly as the game requires.

Iused2likebusts · 02-07-2014 10:32AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

For that price yeah. There's already better players in his position at the club.
Really liked Lallana at Southampton but I guess that will wane like the other big fish that get removed from their small ponds. A bit like the way people went off Demba Ba.

And that midfield genius that was snapped up from Everton last year ðŸ˜‰

beakerjoe · 02-07-2014 10:37AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Just under £32million. Who do you think would be better for that type of money?

Maybe your right, it could be a good buy, would like to think Sanchez or Di Maria could be better buys at around the same price if not lower

Mitch Connor · 02-07-2014 10:39AM

beakerjoe wrote: »

Maybe your right, it could be a good buy, would like to think Sanchez or Di Maria could be better buys at around the same price if not lower

Barcelona apparently rating Sanchez at £32million and similar rumours of a £40million tag on Di Maria.

MagicIRL · 02-07-2014 10:40AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Looks like an attacking version of John O'Shea according to who scored.

I laughed too much at that. I've only seem the lad during the World Cup, but if LvG wants him, we should buy him. #InLvGWeTrust

TheDoc · 02-07-2014 10:56AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Barcelona apparently rating Sanchez at £32million and similar rumours of a £40million tag on Di Maria.

Reports this morning Liverpool want £70m + Sanchez

Would you ever ask my left one haha

glued · 02-07-2014 11:00AM

TheDoc wrote: »

Reports this morning Liverpool want £70m + Sanchez

Would you ever ask my left one haha

Suarez without all the issues would have to be worth at least £100M considering what Bale went for last year. Then again Bale is younger and is trouble free. One more misstep for Suarez and he's going to be banned for a season.

I wouldn't be surprised if he goes for £50 Million without Alexis Sanchez. I'd be surprised if Alexis Sanchez joined Liverpool without Suarez.

MagicIRL · 02-07-2014 11:05AM

I would be surprised if Sanchez joined Liverpool at all. It seems like a massive step down from playing at Barca. Yes, they have Champions League football now, but it's the first season in how long? Can't see it appealing to the player.

Would love him at United though, but I reckon he'll stay in Spain. Maybe not at Barca, but in Spain.

bangkok · 02-07-2014 11:10AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

I would be surprised if Sanchez joined Liverpool at all. It seems like a massive step down from playing at Barca. Yes, they have Champions League football now, but it's the first season in how long? Can't see it appealing to the player.

Would love him at United though, but I reckon he'll stay in Spain. Maybe not at Barca, but in Spain.

not barca but still in spain? real Madrid? not a chance and no other team in spain can afford him, maybe Valencia but cant see him going there. most of the clubs in spain are in huge debt, a very lobsided money league with barca and real on top and all other clubs barely getting by

redbaron_99 · 02-07-2014 11:12AM

TheDoc wrote: »

Reports this morning Liverpool want £70m + Sanchez

Would you ever ask my left one haha

Not worth £70Million. Never mind Sanchez, who doesn't want the move to Anfield.
People refer to the money that Bale and Ronaldo went for, but they were both 4 years younger than Suarez is, and had no "issues", and didn't serve lengthy bans each year before their moves.
£50 Million would be about right. Maybe they might squeeze £60Million, depending on how much Barca want the player.

Will I Amnt · 02-07-2014 11:14AM

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

And that midfield genius that was snapped up from Everton last year ðŸ˜‰

The Everton fans won't like that...

Adamcp898 · 02-07-2014 11:19AM

bangkok wrote: »

not barca but still in spain? real Madrid? not a chance and no other team in spain can afford him, maybe Valencia but cant see him going there. most of the clubs in spain are in huge debt, a very lobsided money league with barca and real on top and all other clubs barely getting by

Could change when Peter Lim finally formally completes his take over of Valencia. He could well want to make a splash or two in terms of signings.

I don't see a Sanchez part exchange deal happening for Suarez because how often do you actually see them happening? and also the player being offered in the exchange usually ends up being undervalued compared to his actual market price so I don't know if Barca would even be keen to include him.

02-07-2014 11:27AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Not worth £70Million. Never mind Sanchez, who doesn't want the move to Anfield.
People refer to the money that Bale and Ronaldo went for, but they were both 4 years younger than Suarez is, and had no "issues", and didn't serve lengthy bans each year before their moves.
£50 Million would be about right. Maybe they might squeeze £60Million, depending on how much Barca want the player.

David Luiz went for £50m..

it all depends what his release clause is. I would imagine that it's north of £70m, I can't see John Henry accepting less unless there is nice sweetener involved. I would love Alexis Sanchez to be part of any deal but that looks unlikely.

Will I Amnt · 02-07-2014 11:32AM

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Could change when Peter Lim finally formally completes his take over of Valencia. He could well want to make a splash or two in terms of signings.

I don't see a Sanchez part exchange deal happening for Suarez because how often do you actually see them happening? and also the player being offered in the exchange usually ends up being undervalued compared to his actual market price so I don't know if Barca would even be keen to include him.

Can't see Sanchez at Liverpool myself nor United, unless he has something sentimental going on with the club or league.
He would have his pick of clubs across Europe if he's up for sale. The north west of England just isn't appealing to these lads, unless you're overfilling their pockets with oil money.

Al Capwned · 02-07-2014 11:32AM

0028673 wrote: »

David Luiz went for £50m..

it all depends what his release clause is. I would imagine that it's north of £70m, I can't see John Henry accepting less unless there is nice sweetener involved. I would love Alexis Sanchez to be part of any deal but that looks unlikely.

The value of David Luiz's transfer should never be used as a barometer for others.
Mental transfer altogether.

Rayne Wooney · 02-07-2014 11:33AM

I want moar players and I want them now, it's been 5 days since we last signed a player Ed, 5 days!!

Deiseboy01 · 02-07-2014 11:33AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

For that price yeah. There's already better players in his position at the club.
Really liked Lallana at Southampton but I guess that will wane like the other big fish that get removed from their small ponds. A bit like the way people went off Demba Ba.

Agree re the price tag. Way over the odds but he is pretty versatile. Could have offered us something in a few positions. Hopefully we ve bigger fish to fry.

beakerjoe · 02-07-2014 11:34AM

Al Capwned wrote: »

The value of David Luiz's transfer should never be used as a barometer for others.
Mental transfer altogether.

Hes a headless chicken of a player, cant understand why any one would pay that kind of money for a CB like him. Hes a liability.

One of the few things me and Eamon Dunphy agree on

redbaron_99 · 02-07-2014 11:38AM

0028673 wrote: »

David Luiz went for £50m..

it all depends what his release clause is. I would imagine that it's north of £70m, I can't see John Henry accepting less unless there is nice sweetener involved. I would love Alexis Sanchez to be part of any deal but that looks unlikely.

David Luiz transfer is bizarre, and not one that should set any standard. Don't be surprised if it's part one in an exchange of players between PSG and Chelsea.

02-07-2014 11:38AM

Al Capwned wrote: »

The value of David Luiz's transfer should never be used as a barometer for others.
Mental transfer altogether.

I just reckon that £50m would be a poor return for Suarez even with all his baggage..

no matter if we got a £100m for him we just can't replace the quality he gives us on the pitch but such is life

redbaron_99 · 02-07-2014 11:38AM

beakerjoe wrote: »

Hes a headless chicken of a player, cant understand why any one would pay that kind of money for a CB like him. Hes a liability.

One of the few things me and Eamon Dunphy agree on

Something that he and Suarez have in common.

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