IFFPG are only a shower of.....

lefthooker · 01-07-2014 12:13PM #1

Just back from the nearest collection depot and I'm waiting for the blood pressure to drop. It's the same every year, no matter how I've separated and packed the net/fert/other plastics it's never right for them. They seem to change their wants every year. Every bag I brought down had to be cut to check its contents and then I was given the job of lugging it to the heaps. That didn't last long. The lads on site say what's printed in the journal is not the way they want it at all

Why can't the IFFPG state clearly the way they want the material presented?

Greengrass1 · 01-07-2014 12:18PM

lefthooker wrote: »

Just back from the nearest collection depot and I'm waiting for the blood pressure to drop. It's the same every year, no matter how I've separated and packed the net/fert/other plastics it's never right for them. They seem to change their wants every year. Every bag I brought down had to be cut to check its contents and then I was given the job of lugging it to the heaps. That didn't last long. The lads on site say what's printed in the journal is not the way they want it at all

Why can't the IFFPG state clearly the way they want the material presented?

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Need to get plastic collected this year as I haven't done in 4 yrs and have a big pile now

mf240 · 01-07-2014 12:55PM

You need a tipper trailer with the tail board left out. Tip it up and they can take it or shove it up their hole . Out the gap and home.

onyerbikepat · 01-07-2014 12:58PM

I put strong plastic pallet at the front of my Ifor Williams cattle trailer and a long lifting strap along the floor and then back over the plastic. Pulled if off in one go then with their grap. No bother.
Loading was a different matter though.:rolleyes:

A cow called Daisy · 01-07-2014 02:28PM

The price of wrap/plastic was put up which several round here was to pay for cost of disposal at approvrd centres. Yet we still pay for disposal. Or did i take things up wrong.

vanderbadger · 01-07-2014 02:31PM

they werent too bother at our local collections sites, had a look at your trailer and guessed weight and that was it, tip it out, they were a kinda rough looking crew though, not to far off the caravan variety

lefthooker · 01-07-2014 03:15PM

I had all silage wrap and old pit covers in one trailer. Tipped her up and no problems with that pile.
The drama was with the next trailer, containing the bulk fert bags, liners, netwrap, other plastics and empty spray cans, all separated and packed into bulk fert bags.
-Firstly they wouldn't weigh the trailer so could charge whatever they felt, although most bags were full there wasn't 1cwt in some bags. Journal says €15 but doesn't say at what weight.
-Then when the trailer was tipped they wanted to cut every bag open to see what was inside and make sure there was no rubbish inside. So had to open a dozen big bags. Liners and plastic were to go into the pile of wrap. Bulk bags, netwrap and cans were thrown in another pile. If they found any plastic cables that hold the big bags on the pallet they were thrown out on the yard cos they weren't plastic and I was told to put all them in other bag to keep the yard tidy. They opened a good half dozen spray cans and shook them their living best to see if they could get any drops of residue to fall out. I told the chap if he couldn't find anything in the first 6 cans did he think he'd find anything in the next 50. And if they found one bag with its liner still attached there was threats that the whole bag was to go back in the trailer. The head man was lecturing me and said what's printed in the journal isn't what they want. And they want all white plastics in bulk meal bags where the Journal says bulk fert bags will do. What a load of BS.
-So when it came to pay they wanted €120 for the plastics €12 for the silage wrap and on 2 separate cheques too. €12 is good value but the other stuff was a total rip off, they were charging for 8 bags @ €15 when there wasn't double the weight of plastics over wraps. After a bit of tempered negotiations I got it for a lower price.

I'll go with the wraps again next year but never again with the plastics. My refuse and recycling bins are going to see a lot more action from now on.

onyerbikepat · 01-07-2014 04:12PM

In fairness to them, it's the EPA that are pushing the pressure on them to keep things right. A few places around the country were forced to close by the EPA because they hadn't their house in order.

lefthooker · 01-07-2014 05:38PM

Rang IFFPG to grumble and I'm going to have to edit my title. It should read,
"The contractor collecting plastic for IFFPG is a w****r"

When I told IFFPG of the carry on this morning they thought yer man and his crew were acting over the top. As far as they were concerned I had everything in order

severeoversteer · 01-07-2014 06:50PM

I dint find iffpg too bad in my area

I loaded the silage wrap into a dumptrailer with a digger and there was half a tonne of 804, net and silage through it,
tipped it up at the depot and paid me few quid and off I go not a word about it

lefthooker · 01-07-2014 07:36PM

severeoversteer wrote: »

I dint find iffpg too bad in my area

I loaded the silage wrap into a dumptrailer with a digger and there was half a tonne of 804, net and silage through it,
tipped it up at the depot and paid me few quid and off I go not a word about it

You'd want to treat them lads to a few cold beers, you wouldn't have been let tip in our place. As soon as you land on site a fella climbs into the trailer to see what you've got. If he finds it's mixed he'll send ya home. I know, happened to me last year. I had net and fert bags loose in the front and silage wrap in the back, not mixed thru but had to bring it home. Wouldn't let me tip the net/fert loose. Brought the whole lot to a recycling centre later, cost a bit more tho. That's why I went to the effort of packing all seperately this year.

rushvalley · 01-07-2014 09:05PM

I brought the plastic to ennis mart back in May. Had just silage wrap and the netting both packed seperately. Tipped it up on the heap of plastic infront of the truck then the young lad on the skidsteer comes over giving out about leaving the netting there and made me drag it to the other side of the truck. Then he wanted me to open all the bags with the wrap in them. Told him I had the spuds left on the cooker at home and drove out the far side of the mart instead of paying the p***K :cool:

frazzledhome · 01-07-2014 09:16PM

rushvalley wrote: »

I brought the plastic to ennis mart back in May. Had just silage wrap and the netting both packed seperately. Tipped it up on the heap of plastic infront of the truck then the young lad on the skidsteer comes over giving out about leaving the netting there and made me drag it to the other side of the truck. Then he wanted me to open all the bags with the wrap in them. Told him I had the spuds left on the cooker at home and drove out the far side of the mart instead of paying the p***K :cool:

Lol, brilliant

lefthooker · 01-07-2014 09:22PM

rushvalley wrote: »

I brought the plastic to ennis mart back in May. Had just silage wrap and the netting both packed seperately. Tipped it up on the heap of plastic infront of the truck then the young lad on the skidsteer comes over giving out about leaving the netting there and made me drag it to the other side of the truck. Then he wanted me to open all the bags with the wrap in them. Told him I had the spuds left on the cooker at home and drove out the far side of the mart instead of paying the p***K :cool:

It's little victories like that that give the most pleasure:cool:

Sam Kade · 02-07-2014 10:21AM

rushvalley wrote: »

I brought the plastic to ennis mart back in May. Had just silage wrap and the netting both packed seperately. Tipped it up on the heap of plastic infront of the truck then the young lad on the skidsteer comes over giving out about leaving the netting there and made me drag it to the other side of the truck. Then he wanted me to open all the bags with the wrap in them. Told him I had the spuds left on the cooker at home and drove out the far side of the mart instead of paying the p***K :cool:

Plenty of them pricks around there's one driving a loader at munster waste in mallow, I had a run in with him last week. He thinks that he's running the show there shouting orders. It must have something to do with their rubbish job

Farmer Pudsey · 02-07-2014 03:28PM

I do not take it direct to them. use one of there collectors. Would lose half a day loading and droping it off.

The lad that collects it, gives me a ring the night before so that gate is open, I have netting in bulk meal bags(finding it harder to get them) and he loads the whole lot. He charges 170 euro for two years plastic about 700 wraps and netting

The bulk fertlizer go into the recycling bin as they are spread. Now and again have to spread over two lifts but seldom as I have a seconf recycling bin.

IFFPG is costing farmers big money. Rangler thinks it is making money for IFA. 2-3 heads on its board. I reckon that with the value of plastic for recycling if IFFPG did not exit I would get it collected for much the same(this is what is happening in NI) and no levy.

Genghis Cant · 02-07-2014 03:37PM

What I don't understand about this issue is this:
We buy the plastic ourselves, say 15 rolls of it, it's 25kg a roll, yet when it goes for recycling it ends up heavier? I know we have good ground but Jaysus I didn't think the plastic would trive.
And it ain't dirt, the bales never see muck, and the plastic is stored indoors.

Reggie. · 02-07-2014 03:44PM

Genghis Cant wrote: »

What I don't understand about this issue is this:
We buy the plastic ourselves, say 15 rolls of it, it's 25kg a roll, yet when it goes for recycling it ends up heavier? I know we have good ground but Jaysus I didn't think the plastic would trive.
And it ain't dirt, the bales never see muck, and the plastic is stored indoors.

Ah its all that air trapped between the wraps :rolleyes:

rangler1 · 02-07-2014 04:20PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

I do not take it direct to them. use one of there collectors. Would lose half a day loading and droping it off.

The lad that collects it, gives me a ring the night before so that gate is open, I have netting in bulk meal bags(finding it harder to get them) and he loads the whole lot. He charges 170 euro for two years plastic about 700 wraps and netting

The bulk fertlizer go into the recycling bin as they are spread. Now and again have to spread over two lifts but seldom as I have a seconf recycling bin.

IFFPG is costing farmers big money. Rangler thinks it is making money for IFA. 2-3 heads on its board. I reckon that with the value of plastic for recycling if IFFPG did not exit I would get it collected for much the same(this is what is happening in NI) and no levy.

Levy is in legislation now isn't it, pay it whether you like it or not on anything bought in the south, it's not compulsory to use IFFPG, It's moving a lot of stuff, it contributed to the fodder transport , and most important it suits me

case885 · 02-07-2014 04:24PM

Do you need dockets and those numbers when dropping off the plastic?

rangler1 · 02-07-2014 04:41PM

case885 wrote: »

Do you need dockets and those numbers when dropping off the plastic?

One docket seems to do tons, they must never check it out, there seems to be enough money to collect everything including the northern stuff, so they don't bother checking
A few years ago farmers couldn't get rid of it, so anything is better than that, a lot was dumped in bogs around here.......indeed some are still at it

Farmer Pudsey · 02-07-2014 07:38PM

Rangler the reality is things change. Look at bin collection, they will take any plastic or it deritives. Recycling is big money now. The history of IFFPG is not great. it was set up because of levy, it then failed for a few years to put any process in place except a CEO and board. Then it found because of it costs it could not collect all the plastic so a collection charge. It is not there top subsidize fodder or to earn a profit for IFA.

It a another quango that is not necessary and adds cost to farmers especially smaller farmers as they tend to be the users of round bale plastic. the reason nobody got involved originally is because of cost. There is an issue with tyre at present that will be sorted over time. Recycling is a business like any other in Irealnd we have a tendancy to create a quango rather than putting the process out to tender mind you our tendering system leaves a lot to be desired as well. It put too many limits on those who are allowed to tender.

rangler1 · 02-07-2014 08:44PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Rangler the reality is things change. Look at bin collection, they will take any plastic or it deritives. Recycling is big money now. The history of IFFPG is not great. it was set up because of levy, it then failed for a few years to put any process in place except a CEO and board. Then it found because of it costs it could not collect all the plastic so a collection charge. It is not there top subsidize fodder or to earn a profit for IFA.

It a another quango that is not necessary and adds cost to farmers especially smaller farmers as they tend to be the users of round bale plastic. the reason nobody got involved originally is because of cost. There is an issue with tyre at present that will be sorted over time. Recycling is a business like any other in Irealnd we have a tendancy to create a quango rather than putting the process out to tender mind you our tendering system leaves a lot to be desired as well. It put too many limits on those who are allowed to tender.

It sorted the problem. happened to be on the environment and industrial committee for the problem when farmers had 3, 4, 5, yrs wraps if they hadn't it dumped somewhere......what I'd like to know is where were all the smart ones then, Its like the beef now.......no one has a solution (there is no solution) yet IFA are expected to magic a solution but don't dare ask for support from farmers.

munkus · 03-07-2014 12:27PM

mf240 wrote: »

You need a tipper trailer with the tail board left out. Tip it up and they can take it or shove it up their hole . Out the gap and home.

A nutcase near me dropped his trailer load up to Gort mart but had no docket so the boys told him to head home. He tipped up the trailer and dropped the load before heading out the road. Two hours later the Guards had him back and he had to load it by hand and bring it home.

This year I had 3 pit covers and maybe 70 silage wraps and the one docket from last years pit cover did the lot. That's decent in my opinion.

IFFPG are only a shower of.....

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