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Are we a nation of idiots?

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  • 01-07-2014 04:27PM
    #1
    Site Banned Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭


    http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/movie-news/mrs-browns-boys-dmovie-takes-record-breaking-102m-at-the-irish-box-office-30394432.html

    I want to say no. We have a great education system, we have provided culture with soul and depth to the world and produced some of the best artists in their generation.
    But when I see this it really gets me thinking, why such low standards? We let politicians get away with f**king over entire generations and say "ah yeah" as if that slight sarcasm is what gives us a national identity. We pay extortionate amounts for things like transport and electricity and there is little we seem to be able to do about that and when push comes to shove, we feed minds on diets of filtered garbage like the aforementioned Mrs. Browns Boys.

    The thing is, that shlock is only the latest in the long line of crap entertainment we have ingested over the years. Bad RTE talent shows, bad lowbrow reality shows (who remembers Fade Street), bad comedy and just a set of low low standards as to what entertainment and culture is. "Oh you can't sing or dance? Guess you are of no value. But wait, maybe we can stick you on a reality show because you seem like the kind of bellend that idiots would tune it to watch and complain about with their mates"

    Jedward was an accepted thing.

    There is a saying, you are what you eat and in a lot of ways thats true. You eat crap? you become crap. Your mind takes in crap? well guess what, those outward thoughts, yes, those opinions ;) become crap. I know its hard to avoid, just how this lowbrow pop culture seeps in from every crevice and the foreign imports, which seem infinite at this stage (from The Big Bang Theory to Geordie Shore) certainly don't help. But please, stop thinking that garbage is acceptable for your mind. There are other options out there, you dont have to watch, listen to or read the most available material. If the McDonalds is 5 minutes away and the farmers market is 10, do you eat at the McDonalds every day?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭curlzy


    Yes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    Kinda.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭uch


    curlzy wrote: »
    Yes

    I concur also

    22/25



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Not my cup of tea but that doesn't make people idiots for watching it. I thought the first series of Fr. Ted wasn't that great when it came out, so what do I know!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,237 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    No more so than any other. :cool:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    *bangs fists on keyboard*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    You haven't described anything there that isn't rampant elsewhere


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,635 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I fail to see how one film can lead anyone to believe that a whole country is populated by idiots.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    No, humour is a subjective and cultural thing. Rarely a measure of idiocy or lack thereof.


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭BMMachine


    iDave wrote: »
    You haven't described anything there that isn't rampant elsewhere

    does that mean its ok? we just go with it?


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  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BMMachine wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/movie-news/mrs-browns-boys-dmovie-takes-record-breaking-102m-at-the-irish-box-office-30394432.html

    I want to say no. We have a great education system, we have provided culture with soul and depth to the world and produced some of the best artists in their generation.
    But when I see this it really gets me thinking, why such low standards? We let politicians get away with f**king over entire generations and say "ah yeah" as if that slight sarcasm is what gives us a national identity. We pay extortionate amounts for things like transport and electricity and there is little we seem to be able to do about that and when push comes to shove, we feed minds on diets of filtered garbage like the aforementioned Mrs. Browns Boys.

    The thing is, that shlock is only the latest in the long line of crap entertainment we have ingested over the years. Bad RTE talent shows, bad lowbrow reality shows (who remembers Fade Street), bad comedy and just a set of low low standards as to what entertainment and culture is. "Oh you can't sing or dance? Guess you are of no value. But wait, maybe we can stick you on a reality show because you seem like the kind of bellend that idiots would tune it to watch and complain about with their mates"

    Jedward was an accepted thing.

    There is a saying, you are what you eat and in a lot of ways thats true. You eat crap? you become crap. Your mind takes in crap? well guess what, those outward thoughts, yes, those opinions ;) become crap. I know its hard to avoid, just how this lowbrow pop culture seeps in from every crevice and the foreign imports, which seem infinite at this stage (from The Big Bang Theory to Geordie Shore) certainly don't help. But please, stop thinking that garbage is acceptable for your mind. There are other options out there, you dont have to watch, listen to or read the most available material. If the McDonalds is 5 minutes away and the farmers market is 10, do you eat at the McDonalds every day?


    The only thing I have a greater problem with than people consuming what I might consider substandard fare - whether that's cultural, intellectual or physical, is people deciding they have an insight into what people should be consuming.

    A society that doesn't allow for individual taste is a restrictive one. People have a right to their preferences and taste.

    Even bad taste is better than dictated taste.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    BMMachine wrote: »
    does that mean its ok? we just go with it?

    Not ok but perhaps we shouldn't be singled out for criticism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭AdolfHipster


    We're kind've dumb but we seem to cloak that fact well. The trick is to add big words to your sentences so that you sound photosynthesis.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,237 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    We're kind've dumb but we seem to cloak that fact well. The trick is to add big words to your sentences so that you sound photosynthesis.

    I can certainly neurofibromatosis that. :D


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭BMMachine


    iDave wrote: »
    Not ok but perhaps we shouldn't be singled out for criticism.

    its an Irish website where I would be communicating to mostly Irish people.
    Candie wrote:
    The only thing I have a greater problem with than people consuming substandard fare - whether that's cultural, intellectual or physical, is people deciding they have an insight into what people should be consuming.

    A society that doesn't allow for individual taste is a restrictive one. People have a right to their preferences and taste.

    Even bad taste is better than dictated taste.

    yup. completely right. but how does one develop such a high volume of bad taste


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    Of course were not...I don't and never liked the d unbelivebles, that does not make the people that do so are idiots, and like wise for any other show on tv.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    K-9 wrote: »
    I thought the first series of Fr. Ted wasn't that great when it came out, so what do I know!

    *removes K-9 from "Would Bang" list.*


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭BMMachine


    Turtwig wrote: »
    No, humour is a subjective and cultural thing. Rarely a measure of idiocy or lack thereof.

    what if its not about humour and about how casually someone accepts blunt stupidity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭AdolfHipster


    Adds K-9 to "Kill List" *puts on bright pink lipstick* *sighs as laying down on a couch*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    BMMachine wrote: »
    does that mean its ok? we just go with it?

    Wtf are we supposed to do with it?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭uch


    *bangs fists on keyboard*

    No if you banged your fist on the keyboard it would look like this rtfguybujh rtfv yHUJHYtcv TGGHv

    22/25



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    If we're idiots because Mrs browns boys is popular then so are the Brits and Yanks because they like it too.

    I haven't watched much of the show but what I did see was entertaining. It's all very obvious slapstick but I think they make it work if you're into that kind of thing.

    If you want to judge a country by the TV it's produces then the Americans are both idiots and geniuses. They have a show like ancient aliens that shows an ancient societies walls and say "it's impossible for us to make this even today". Then the next show shows how the same culture made the walls because if the ancient alien video had panned the camera left it would have shown the wall half made and it becomes clear how they made the wall.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Ficheall wrote: »
    *removes K-9 from "Would Bang" list.*

    Its all right, I was converted with the second series.
    Adds K-9 to "Kill List" *puts on bright pink lipstick* *sighs as laying down on a couch*

    :D That asterick thing is fecking annoying! ;)

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,746 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    According to the link
    Mrs Brown's Boys D'Movie has taken a record breaking €1.02m at the Irish box office on its opening weekend, representing almost 20% of the UK and Irish box office total.
    So the film took in about €4m at the UK box office meaning they are 4 times stupider!


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭BMMachine


    K-9 wrote: »
    Wtf are we supposed to do with it?

    ignore it and not give it the ratings and money so more can't be made and instead support better shows/music/films/books. Lessen the amount of crap, ya know, fight the good fight :p


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭BMMachine


    According to the link

    So the film took in about €4m at the UK box office meaning they are 4 times stupider!

    this isn't meant to be an "Ireland Vs. x" thread or "BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER COUNTRIES...." thread. its about us and what we do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    BMMachine wrote: »
    ignore it and not give it the ratings and money so more can't be made and instead support better shows/music/films/books. Lessen the amount of crap, ya know, fight the good fight :p

    Brendan O'Carroll and his family are part of our nation.

    Are they idiots?


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BMMachine wrote: »
    yup. completely right. but how does one develop such a high volume of bad taste

    Cost is what drives it's production.

    Reality and talent shows cost very little to produce, music with little to commend it other than catchiness appeals to the most prolific buyers - the pocket money chart music fan.

    The more worthy is out there, it's still being read or listened to or watched. It's just not on the national broadcaster. It's just a shame that anything more challenging than X-Factor is now considered to be bordering on the esoteric.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭uch


    I Like Cake !

    22/25



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Arbiter of Good Taste


    BMMachine wrote: »
    ignore it and not give it the ratings and money so more can't be made and instead support better shows/music/films/books. Lessen the amount of crap, ya know, fight the good fight :p

    So what do you define as "better"? Entertainment that you like?

    I can't stand Mrs Brown, but can we not respect that everyone has their own tastes?


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