Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 mod warning linked in OP 26/07

billymitchell · 01-07-2014 02:25PM

Lallana is a much better player than Allen, so based on that alone, he is a good addition to the squad. Rodgers said at the start of the window that he is going to buy players to improve the first team, so far he has been true to his word

Lallana > Allen
Lambert > Aspas

I dont know enough about Emre Can to comment, but shirley he has to be better than Alberto.

Hopefully we should see some of the dross that was on our bench for most of last season being relegated to bit part players or moved on. I used to dread last year watching games last year, then seeing what we had on the bench. It was the bench of a midtable team at best.

01-07-2014 02:26PM

Leslie91 wrote: »

Nice comparison... the next Beardsley. That might well be spot on. Except he's better looking of course.

Lallana at 25m is better than Sanchez at 35m for me.

I can't agree with that at all..

Sanchez, Lovren and Moreno/Rodriguez would make it an excellent summer

billymitchell · 01-07-2014 02:27PM

Also, not sure if this has been posted already. But Comolli was on Talk sport this morning. He has a bunch of quotes in relation to Suarez wanting to move to Barcelona/RM.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/damien-comolli-luis-suarez-told-3792367

Vanolder · 01-07-2014 02:27PM

Lallana was subbed off 22 times during the league last year--- I read somewhere... or at least imagined I did... that this was due to the amount of ground he covered and at the pace he covered it... Any truth to the second part? 25m is a lot for a player that rarely completes a game.

brevity · 01-07-2014 02:32PM

Vanolder wrote: »

Lallana was subbed off 22 times during the league last year--- I read somewhere... or at least imagined I did... that this was due to the amount of ground he covered and at the pace he covered it... Any truth to the second part? 25m is a lot for a player that rarely completes a game.

Leslie91 · 01-07-2014 02:33PM

0028673 wrote: »

I can't agree with that at all..

Sanchez, Lovren and Moreno/Rodriguez would make it an excellent summer

U mean James?......

I'm just not sold on Sanchez...

Vanolder · 01-07-2014 02:33PM

brevity wrote: »

And? Who gives a F... what Arsenal blow their money on.

Pyjamarama · 01-07-2014 02:35PM

Vanolder wrote: »

And? Who gives a F... what Arsenal blow their money on.

If blowing money means getting players of ozils ability I hope we do it too!!

Red Pepper · 01-07-2014 02:35PM

Liverpool also need to concentrate on a couple of good defenders. They let in more goals (50) than 7 other teams in the Premiership last year.

Man City let in 37 and Chelsea let in only 27. If Chelsea had a decent striker, they would have won the league. Even United in 7th just let in 43 goals and Crystal Palace in 11th conceded 48 goals.

Agent Coulson · 01-07-2014 02:36PM

Vanolder wrote: »

Lallana was subbed off 22 times during the league last year--- I read somewhere... or at least imagined I did... that this was due to the amount of ground he covered and at the pace he covered it... Any truth to the second part? 25m is a lot for a player that rarely completes a game.

There is a table of the top 20 Marathon men in the PL last season on the link.
Henderson is 4th Lallana is 5th but made more sprints than any player in the league.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2602212/Nine-ten-players-Premier-League-distance-covered-table-English-West-Hams-Noble-leading-running-NINE-London-Marathons-season.html

K-9 · 01-07-2014 02:36PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I do think that, in a vacuum, the Lambert signing was good business and I reckon he'll do well for us. So not all negative.

At that money a no brainer.

Francie Barrett · 01-07-2014 02:36PM

If people are going to be comparing Lallana with one of our old flops, then he's more like Adam than Downing. I am not saying they're of the same ability, but in terms of style, they're more similar to each other than they are to Downing. Downing was a classic English winger - i.e. he played very wide, used pace to try and beat a player, made the goal line, then try to play through a cross or pass. From what I've seen of Lallana, he doesn't possess the same pace, or the same sort of engine as Downing, so he was more likely to play central, playing a pass through the middle, or coming into the box late to smash home a pass.

When you look at Charlie Adam before at Blackpool, and after since he moved to Stoke, he's actually had a few very good seasons. It's clear he's a decent player, but to get the best out of him, you need to be building the team around him, getting players alongside him who will do the grunt work while giving him the chance to be creative with the ball. The problem there, was that while Blackpool and Stoke are likely to tolerate a lack of consistency, a team like Liverpool weren't, requiring him to play deeper, to defend and track back. I think this took a lot of the sting out of his creative style.

My worry is that Lallana might be a similar sort of player. Again, I will not claim to be an expert of Southampton, but from the games I saw, it seemed fairly clear to me that as their talisman, he wasn't required to put the same shift in, or track back like the rest of the Southampton team. When you have the likes of Coutinho and Sterling in particular, who slog their guts, how well will it sit if Lallana doesn't match their efforts and is playing poorly?

This is going to be a real step up for Lallana. He'll be going from a coddled star to a player who might have to fight his way into the team, and be expected to produce on a consistent basis. I have doubts, but I hope I am proven wrong.

Turtyturd · 01-07-2014 02:36PM

brevity wrote: »

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Vanolder · 01-07-2014 02:38PM

Pyjamarama wrote: »

If blowing money means getting players of ozils ability I hope we do it too!!

We're not, we are getting Lallana... keep up.

Pyjamarama · 01-07-2014 02:40PM

No offense Francie but one of his biggest strengths is that he's willing to put in all the donkey work required. That's one thing we don't have to worry about. He'll give it his all.

01-07-2014 02:41PM

Leslie91 wrote: »

U mean James?......

I'm just not sold on Sanchez...

I meant Ricardo Rodriguez but I'd settle for James :P

TBH I think Sanchez would be near unplayable in a counter attacking team that plays with pace..

Pyjamarama · 01-07-2014 02:42PM

Vanolder wrote: »

We're not, we are getting Lallana... keep up.

Yeah but my comment was a response to you saying arsenal blew their money on Ozil. I didn't say matched that by signing lallana.

Cheers for pointing out who we got tho. I was confused alright.

Dickerty · 01-07-2014 02:42PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

My worry is that Lallana might be a similar sort of player. Again, I will not claim to be an expert of Southampton, but from the games I saw, it seemed fairly clear to me that as their talisman, he wasn't required to put the same shift in, or track back like the rest of the Southampton team. When you have the likes of Coutinho and Sterling in particular, who slog their guts, how well will it sit if Lallana doesn't match their efforts and is playing poorly?

Coutinho slogs his guts out, and Lallana doesn't? I think you need to look again..

Gbear · 01-07-2014 02:43PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

If people are going to be comparing Lallana with one of our old flops, then he's more like Adam than Downing. I am not saying they're of the same ability, but in terms of style, they're more similar to each other than they are to Downing. Downing was a classic English winger - i.e. he played very wide, used pace to try and beat a player, made the goal line, then try to play through a cross or pass. From what I've seen of Lallana, he doesn't possess the same pace, or the same sort of engine as Downing, so he was more likely to play central, playing a pass through the middle, or coming into the box late to smash home a pass.

When you look at Charlie Adam before at Blackpool, and after since he moved to Stoke, he's actually had a few very good seasons. It's clear he's a decent player, but to get the best out of him, you need to be building the team around him, getting players alongside him who will do the grunt work while giving him the chance to be creative with the ball. The problem there, was that while Blackpool and Stoke are likely to tolerate a lack of consistency, a team like Liverpool weren't, requiring him to play deeper, to defend and track back. I think this took a lot of the sting out of his creative style.

My worry is that Lallana might be a similar sort of player. Again, I will not claim to be an expert of Southampton, but from the games I saw, it seemed fairly clear to me that as their talisman, he wasn't required to put the same shift in, or track back like the rest of the Southampton team. When you have the likes of Coutinho and Sterling in particular, who slog their guts, how well will it sit if Lallana doesn't match their efforts and is playing poorly?

This is going to be a real step up for Lallana. He'll be going from a coddled star to a player who might have to fight his way into the team, and be expected to produce on a consistent basis. I have doubts, but I hope I am proven wrong.

Adam was the worst decision-maker I've ever seen playing for Liverpool. He played like an absolute idiot. That was his biggest problem.

And that's not something that might be obvious from statistics so it's easy to see why the likes of Commoli went for him - he was a reasonably good technician.

I don't think that's how we do business any more though and I trust Rodgers to have made the call that, in addition to his quality (which can be seen from the highlight reels), he uses his brain on the pitch.

There's no room in the football we play for stupid footballers (*cough* Glen Johnson *cough*).

Utopia Parkway · 01-07-2014 02:46PM

Vanolder wrote: »

Lallana was subbed off 22 times during the league last year--- I read somewhere... or at least imagined I did... that this was due to the amount of ground he covered and at the pace he covered it... Any truth to the second part? 25m is a lot for a player that rarely completes a game.

Yeah apparently he ran the 5th most in the PL. Henderson was 4th.

Vanolder · 01-07-2014 02:48PM

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Yeah but my comment was a response to you saying arsenal blew their money on Ozil. I didn't say matched that by signing lallana.

Cheers for pointing out who we got tho. I was confused alright.

I could tell you were... No worries.

beakerjoe · 01-07-2014 02:49PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Yeah apparently he ran the 5th most in the PL. Henderson was 4th.

In relation to that, how many games did the others around him run in the most distance covered league?

Agent Coulson · 01-07-2014 02:55PM

beakerjoe wrote: »

In relation to that, how many games did the others around him run in the most distance covered league?

Between 30 and 33 games in the top 10 with them 4th and 5th.

Within the top five in the distance-covered table are two midfielders surely headed for Brazil – Liverpool’s Jordan Henderson and Southampton’s Adam Lallana. Both have run just shy of 360km this campaign - that is eight-and-a-half marathons.

5live · 01-07-2014 02:55PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Some thoughts:

- Barcelona can pay through the nose, club should hold firm, etc;
- Unless the new contract has this one sorted and it's X to Barca / Real / Bayern / etc where 'X' is ~£60m;
- Either way, irrespective of how handsomely the club is compensated it will be a crippling loss from a competitive perspective. I'm sure some people will wheel out stats about when he scores goals or whatever but it misses what makes him so special - when he's on the pitch you have a one man threat / outlet operating on a level a couple of players in the world can currently touch;
- We won't be able to replace him because, as Spurs found out last year, certain players aren't replaceable no matter how many ~£20m football hipster approved signings you can throw at the problem;

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- Lallana is a rubbish piece of business. I hope you all get to quote this post and stuff it down my throat later of course though but I won't be holding my breath;
- Leaving aside how overpriced he is for what he is, it's just an underwhelming direction to take with CL football on board;
- Taken as a whole, our business thus far is underwhelming. Difference makers, that's what I want and what I think is needed;

Lallana is a rubbish piece of business? Jaysus, at least leave him kick a ball once for us before judging him.

Reminds me of a rush to judgement on our current manager not so long ago...

beakerjoe · 01-07-2014 02:58PM

5live wrote: »

Lallana is a rubbish piece of business? Jaysus, at least leave him kick a ball once for us before judging him.

Reminds me of a rush to judgement on our current manager not so long ago...

I think he can succeed. He did well at the saints and should have seen more game time at the WC. Think he will do well IMO.

Grayditch · 01-07-2014 03:02PM

I'm not going to make a judgement on Lallana. This way, I'll never be wrong.

Pilsbury Doughboy · 01-07-2014 03:03PM

Grayditch wrote: »

I'm not going to make a judgement on Lallana. This way, I'll never be wrong.

Or you could make a huge statement to cause controversy and if you're wrong you can then apologise and get lauded for it.

Knex* · 01-07-2014 03:08PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Sahin, even though it didn't turn out well. Everyone bar Knex was happy with Sturridge.

That's quite a few well received without even having to play the Victory card.

You bastard :pac:

I can't even remember how I felt about it, but I wasn't standing beside you holding your Fr Tedesque, "Fuck off Sturridge", sign!

Pyjamarama · 01-07-2014 03:08PM

I'm quietly confident that lallana will win the b'allon dor. Don't want to set expectations too high.

gimli2112 · 01-07-2014 03:08PM

Grayditch wrote: »

I'm not going to make a judgement on Lallana. This way, I'll never be wrong.

Saw Liam Brady do that the other day when asked "So who do you think's going to win the match, Liam?"
TV Licence money well spent right there

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