Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 mod warning linked in OP 26/07

mosstin · 01-07-2014 01:16PM

Super-Rush wrote: »

Very underwhelming signing.

Its like we never signed Downing, Carroll and Adam.

You get what you pay for - the few million extra is probably to ensure that he doesn't wear high vis tops on a night out like wor Andy.

Kerrigooney · 01-07-2014 01:16PM

Dickerty wrote: »

Spoken like a man who is clearly on the big money...

Congratulations, you are now my agent. Will you have a word with my boss please?

Knex* · 01-07-2014 01:18PM

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Congratulations, you are now my agent. Will you have a word with my boss please?

If I ever had to get someone from here to speak to my boss, that man would be Grayditch.

"Howya, Gerry?"

Obviously this would be after I handed in my notice.

Mr Alan · 01-07-2014 01:19PM

MD1990 wrote: »

Lallana was a nominee for PFA Player of the Year. I think its too much money but a good signing.

Wasn't Charlie Adam a PFA Player of the Year nominee too? And for a fraction of the cost of Lallana.

Don't get me wrong, Lallana was excellent last year from what I saw, and could be an excellent player for us. But it's a mad amount of money to spend on what imo is not a sure thing.

(He is costing more than what we spent on Suarez and Torres. A comparable amount to what Fabregas went for a couple of weeks ago)

googled eyes · 01-07-2014 01:19PM

Its easy to forget he's not 18-19.

He just looks so gosh-darn young

Anyone · 01-07-2014 01:20PM

Calvin Leong wrote: »

Vermaelen also looks interesting, seems to be on his way out of Arsenal. Proven in the PL...any takers?

Oh his way to Man Utd if the rumors are true.

Dickerty · 01-07-2014 01:20PM

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Congratulations, you are now my agent. Will you have a word with my boss please?

Consider it done.

20%, yeh?

Grayditch · 01-07-2014 01:21PM

Knex. wrote: »

If I ever had to get someone from here to speak to my boss, that man would be Greyditch.

"Howya, Gerry?"

Obviously this would be after I handed in my notice.

Clear yer desk and hold the lift open, he's not going to like this...

x43r0 · 01-07-2014 01:22PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Wasn't Charlie Adam a PFA Player of the Year nominee too? And for a fraction of the cost of Lallana.

My God you're right :eek:

I had completely forgotten about that

Anyone · 01-07-2014 01:23PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

(He is costing more than what we spent on Suarez and Torres. A comparable amount to what Fabregas went for a couple of weeks ago)

Fabregras is also on €250,000+ a month so that comparison is a little unfair, but yeah, he costs more than Suarez and Torres. Lets hope he rises in value like those two have.

Dickerty · 01-07-2014 01:24PM

Anyone wrote: »

Oh his way to Man Utd if the rumors are true.

He would be a good signing, but I'll stick with Hummels...

Soft Falling Rain · 01-07-2014 01:24PM

Rodgers doesn't strike me as a mug. Yes he's overpaid but only because he thinks what Lallana will give to the team is worth the premium.

Mr Alan · 01-07-2014 01:25PM

SlickRic wrote: »

the only way this is in any way comparable is that Lallana is British and it's expensive.

Lallana will be a lot better that any of those signings, I can guarantee it.

See this is absolute horse**** and the kind of hyperbole that has become so popular around these parts.

Signed at 26
Signed from a smaller team
Talisman and captain of that team
Shortlisted for player of the year

True of both Charlie Adam & Adam Lallana.
Adam cost £6m quid or whatever, Lallana has been signed for £25m.

I hope Lallana is way better than Adam was for us, but it's not a sure thing & considering the monies involved, it's not near as much of a sure thing as one would hope it would be.

Our business this summer to date, has been poor & we need up our game significantly.

Dickerty · 01-07-2014 01:26PM

Anyone wrote: »

Fabregras is also on £250,000+ a month so that comparison is a little unfair, but yeah, he costs more than Suarez and Torres. Lets hope he rises in value like those two have.

I don't care what his value does, he's one for now, so I only care if he improves the side. He's talented, hard working, flexible and creative - I don't think he'll let us down. Fabregas is not exactly twice the player...

Dozen Wicked Words · 01-07-2014 01:27PM

Anyone wrote: »

Fabregras is also on £250,000+ a month so that comparison is a little unfair, but yeah, he costs more than Suarez and Torres. Lets hope he rises in value like those two have.

Link for Fabregas wages?

I've seen it guesstimated widely at £200,000. Still ridiculous money for any footballer but not the numbers you have suggested.

MD1990 · 01-07-2014 01:28PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Wasn't Charlie Adam a PFA Player of the Year nominee too? And for a fraction of the cost of Lallana.

Don't get me wrong, Lallana was excellent last year from what I saw, and could be an excellent player for us. But it's a mad amount of money to spend on what imo is not a sure thing.

(He is costing more than what we spent on Suarez and Torres. A comparable amount to what Fabregas went for a couple of weeks ago)

Fabregas is on the decline imo. He started playing very young at 16 & its catching up with him. He finished each season with Barca in terrible form. Lallana has improved rapidly the last 2 years & is also a leader which is important.

Dickerty · 01-07-2014 01:29PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Signed at 26
Signed from a smaller team
Talisman and captain of that team
Shortlisted for player of the year

None of those things has ANYTHING to do with their qualities as a footballer!

You might as well compare eye colour, height and what level their pokemon are at...

Mr Alan · 01-07-2014 01:29PM

SlickRic wrote: »

Lallana has improved rapidly the last 2 years & is also a leader which is important.

Remember people saying the same about Charlie Adam......

Washington Irving · 01-07-2014 01:29PM

Overpaid massively but so long as it doesn't result in losing out on someone else over £1-2 million I'm not too bothered.

Happy to get him in the squad and hopefully he keeps up his form. Think the comparisons to Adamso and Downing are unfair, Lallana has a hell of a lot more to him than either of those.

I am pie · 01-07-2014 01:30PM

Have come up with a solid rule to guide us away from dodgy dealings...

1. Aspas
2. Alberto
3. Assaido
4. Andy Carroll
5. Aquilani

Careful with the A's!!

Anyone · 01-07-2014 01:31PM

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

Link for Fabregas wages?

I've seen it guesstimated widely at £200,000. Still ridiculous money for any footballer but not the numbers you have suggested.

Yeah I meant euros, corrected my post. As you have said though, the wages of players are only guesstimates. Overall though, his wage inflates his price compared to Lallan's, which was my original point.

LuckyLloyd · 01-07-2014 01:32PM

Some thoughts:

- Barcelona can pay through the nose, club should hold firm, etc;
- Unless the new contract has this one sorted and it's X to Barca / Real / Bayern / etc where 'X' is ~£60m;
- Either way, irrespective of how handsomely the club is compensated it will be a crippling loss from a competitive perspective. I'm sure some people will wheel out stats about when he scores goals or whatever but it misses what makes him so special - when he's on the pitch you have a one man threat / outlet operating on a level a couple of players in the world can currently touch;
- We won't be able to replace him because, as Spurs found out last year, certain players aren't replaceable no matter how many ~£20m football hipster approved signings you can throw at the problem;

================

- Lallana is a rubbish piece of business. I hope you all get to quote this post and stuff it down my throat later of course though but I won't be holding my breath;
- Leaving aside how overpriced he is for what he is, it's just an underwhelming direction to take with CL football on board;
- Taken as a whole, our business thus far is underwhelming. Difference makers, that's what I want and what I think is needed;

DrumSteve · 01-07-2014 01:35PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Some thoughts:

- Barcelona can pay through the nose, club should hold firm, etc;
- Unless the new contract has this one sorted and it's X to Barca / Real / Bayern / etc where 'X' is ~£60m;
- Either way, irrespective of how handsomely the club is compensated it will be a crippling loss from a competitive perspective. I'm sure some people will wheel out stats about when he scores goals or whatever but it misses what makes him so special - when he's on the pitch you have a one man threat / outlet operating on a level a couple of players in the world can currently touch;
- We won't be able to replace him because, as Spurs found out last year, certain players aren't replaceable no matter how many ~£20m football hipster approved signings you can throw at the problem;

================

- Lallana is a rubbish piece of business. I hope you all get to quote this post and stuff it down my throat later of course though but I won't be holding my breath;
- Leaving aside how overpriced he is for what he is, it's just an underwhelming direction to take with CL football on board;
- Taken as a whole, our business thus far is underwhelming. Difference makers, that's what I want and what I think is needed;

As per the last point, I don't think we'll see much movement for big names until the Suarez situation is resolved.

01-07-2014 01:38PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

As per the last point, I don't think we'll see much movement for big names until the Suarez situation is resolved.

Shouldn't be the case though.

What was the plan pre bite?

RayCon · 01-07-2014 01:39PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

- Lallana is a rubbish piece of business. I hope you all get to quote this post and stuff it down my throat later of course though but I won't be holding my breath;
- Leaving aside how overpriced he is for what he is, it's just an underwhelming direction to take with CL football on board;
- Taken as a whole, our business thus far is underwhelming.

Have to say, I pretty much agree with this.

Hope my negativity is proved wrong.

Mr Alan · 01-07-2014 01:41PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

As per the last point, I don't think we'll see much movement for big names until the Suarez situation is resolved.

If that's the case it's baaaaad sign

kfallon · 01-07-2014 01:45PM

If we lose Suarez we are completely and utterly fooked! Totally bollixed and we all know it deep down!

No amount of money can replace him

machiavellianme · 01-07-2014 01:46PM

I am pie wrote: »

Have come up with a solid rule to guide us away from dodgy dealings...

1. Aspas
2. Alberto
3. Assaido
4. Andy Carroll
5. Aquilani

Careful with the A's!!

And somehow missed Adam, Charlie?

ciaranmac · 01-07-2014 01:47PM

I am pie wrote: »

Have come up with a solid rule to guide us away from dodgy dealings...

1. Aspas
2. Alberto
3. Assaido
4. Andy Carroll
5. Aquilani

Careful with the A's!!

Needs just one word to rebut this.

Alonso.

Pyjamarama · 01-07-2014 01:49PM

I think lalanna will surprise a lot of people. He's got a great engine and is a completely different kind of footballer to Charlie Adam. It'd be like saying don't sign Verrati or marchisio because aquaman didn't work out.

We'd all love us to be bringing in a bunch of top class players but I just don't think that as a club we currently have that drawing power. If Rodgers feels he needs a bunch of players to bring up the level of squad depth which was out Achilles heel last year then I think that people hoping for multiple big name signings will be disappointed.

Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 *mod warning linked in OP 26/07*

Comments

Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 mod warning linked in OP 26/07