Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

The_Kew_Tour · 29-06-2014 02:37PM

Pro. F wrote: »

That's not true on either side.

it is.

Games where Chico has been poor he has missed some awful chances.

Games like stoke and cardiff this season where RVP was poor he got 1 chance in each and buried it.

so no, I'm not wrong. at all.

Rayne Wooney · 29-06-2014 02:38PM

If we were looking at shots per goal I'm guessing Hernandez beats both RVP and Rooney

Headshot · 29-06-2014 02:39PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

it is.

Games where Chico has been poor he has missed some awful chances.

Games like stoke and cardiff this season where RVP was poor he got 1 chance in each and buried it.

so no, I'm not wrong. at all.

yap sure, take a season that Moyes destroyed a players confidence

thelad95 · 29-06-2014 02:40PM

You know it's a slow news day when people claim Chicharito is the best striker the club has.

RVP and Rooney are miles ahead of him.

Chicharitos besr assets are sneaking in behind defences and tapping it in. He'll rarely score a screamer. His goal against Argentina at the last world cup is the exception not the norm.

Pro. F · 29-06-2014 02:40PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

it is.

Games where Chico has been poor he has missed some awful chances.

Games like stoke and cardiff this season where RVP was poor he got 1 chance in each and buried it.

so no, I'm not wrong. at all.

Those aren't nearly all the games where RvP has been poor and Chico has scored goals in games where he hasn't done much too.

The_Kew_Tour · 29-06-2014 02:40PM

Headshot wrote: »

yap sure, take a season that Moyes destroyed a players confidence

who says I'm talking about this season??

did I say just last season?

Headshot · 29-06-2014 02:41PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

who says I'm talking about this season??

did I say just last season?

Last season. Moyes destroyed the players confidence.

Under Fergie, Chico was superb

Pro. F · 29-06-2014 02:41PM

thelad95 wrote: »

You know it's a slow news day when people claim Chicharito is the best striker the club has.

We know that you are making things up.

The_Kew_Tour · 29-06-2014 02:42PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Those aren't nearly all the games where RvP has been poor and Chico has scored goals in games where he hasn't done much too.

Well in all ****ing fairness I'm hardly going to go through it game by ****ing game am i?

i just gave couple of examples that came from top of my head.

The_Kew_Tour · 29-06-2014 02:43PM

Headshot wrote: »

Last season. Moyes destroyed the players confidence.

Under Fergie, Chico was superb

He was good, far from superb.

a good player and I love him as much as anyone but don't make him out to be ronaldo/messi or even near RVP in terms of finishing

29-06-2014 02:43PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

who says I'm talking about this season??

did I say just last season?

What? Both players where playing under moyes and rvp was better under fergie as well

Pro. F · 29-06-2014 02:43PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Well in all ****ing fairness I'm hardly going to go through it game by ****ing game am i?

i just gave couple of examples that came from top of my head.

You're basing your theory off a couple of examples that came off the top of your head.

The_Kew_Tour · 29-06-2014 02:44PM

Pro. F wrote: »

You're basing your theory off a couple of examples that came off the top of your head.

Chico missed some awful chances the last few years. even the last season under Fergie.

I love the chap, he is a legend, but he aint anywhere near RVP as a striker.

imo

The_Kew_Tour · 29-06-2014 02:45PM

Natalie Abundant Wrinkle wrote: »

What? Both players where playing under moyes and rvp was better under fergie as well

?:o

Lucas Hood · 29-06-2014 02:45PM

You need to put the ball on a plate for Hernandez to score. He's not great at creating his own chances or chances for others.

Headshot · 29-06-2014 02:45PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

He was good, far from superb.

a good player and I love him as much as anyone but don't make him out to be ronaldo/messi or even near RVP in terms of finishing

Was not "far from superb"

RVP is the better finisher but a Chico on form and happy is the 2nd best finisher at the club

tupac_healy · 29-06-2014 02:46PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

If we were looking at shots per goal I'm guessing Hernandez beats both RVP and Rooney

Shots per goal ratio.... Convertion rate??

Maybe somebody could dig out some figures but my money would be on RVP..... He usually hits the target and is not very wasteful compared to other strikers... I doubt Chico would be far behind though

Adamocovic · 29-06-2014 02:46PM

Hernandez is a top quality poacher but in my view RVP offers a lot more in the forward role and Rooney too. Those two players have the ability to control and boss the game around. Hernandez as good as he is I only see as a goalscorer I don't see him dictating a game.

The_Kew_Tour · 29-06-2014 02:47PM

Headshot wrote: »

Was not "far from superb"

RVP is the better finisher but a Chico on form and happy is the 2nd best finisher at the club

Good

at least you admitted it;)

Pro. F · 29-06-2014 02:48PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Chico missed some awful chances the last few years. even the last season under Fergie.

I love the chap, he is a legend, but he aint anywhere near RVP as a striker.

imo

RVP also missed some awful chances in the last few seasons.

I didn't say that Chico was anywhere near RVP, as a striker. I'm not disagreeing with you on that. I'm disagreeing with your assertion that RVP tends to score when he's playing poorly at a any significant rate more than Chico does.

Rubber_Soul · 29-06-2014 02:51PM

DiMarzio said on his show last night there's been no offers for Vidal from anyone and that Juve are determined not to sell so Vidal would have to force it. I really can't see him forcing an exit for us if the rumoured Real interest is true.

tupac_healy · 29-06-2014 02:51PM

Speaking of 'who's best in which position' what will be next seasons starting line up?

Also, under LVG, do people think we are looking at a change in system ala the Dutch team?

Pro. F · 29-06-2014 02:53PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

You need to put the ball on a plate for Hernandez to score. He's not great at creating his own chances or chances for others.

I would argue that since he is so good at sniffing out half chances and scoring from situations that most other strikers don't even notice, that he is excellent at making chances for himself. He won't make those chance with something that catches the eye, like a bit of control, dribbling or shooting from an impossible angle. But he definitely makes goals out of very little.

Rayne Wooney · 29-06-2014 02:57PM

Pro. F wrote: »

He has excellent movement and good pace, agility and strength. The only thing he is weak at is link up play, so I think your summary is well wide of the mark.

I don't think his movement is excellent, in terms of making runs and pulling defenders out of position, his positioning puts him at the right place at the right time which ties into his finishing

His link up play is poor, his ability to lead the line is nonexistent, he will generally not create chances for himself, I cannot easily recall one instance of him running at a defence

I wouldn't say he has an abundance of pace and strength either

Adamocovic · 29-06-2014 02:59PM

tupac_healy wrote: »

Speaking of 'who's best in which position' what will be next seasons starting line up?

Also, under LVG, do people think we are looking at a change in system ala the Dutch team?

I think Giggs will probably try edge him towards wide attacks down the wings like in previous years, but when we have Mata it will be hard not to play Mata behind Rooney and RVP.

Interesting what VG will decide to do formation wise next season.
I wouldn't be surprised seeing the 4 in defence, 2 holding midfielders with an attacking midfielder between them and the three forwards.

Backstreet Moyes · 29-06-2014 03:00PM

thelad95 wrote: »

You know it's a slow news day when people claim Chicharito is the best striker the club has.

RVP and Rooney are miles ahead of him.

Chicharitos besr assets are sneaking in behind defences and tapping it in. He'll rarely score a screamer. His goal against Argentina at the last world cup is the exception not the norm.

Who said he is the best striker at the club you should read back at what was said.

Backstreet Moyes · 29-06-2014 03:02PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I don't think his movement is excellent, in terms of making runs and pulling defenders out of position, his positioning puts him at the right place at the right time which ties into his finishing

His link up play is poor, his ability to lead the line is nonexistent, he will generally not create chances for himself, I cannot easily recall one instance of him running at a defence

I wouldn't say he has an abundance of pace and strength either

Hos movement is excellent he would do very well playing with a good midfield behind him. His runs are excellent but he has suffered at United because of the quality of service. So many times he makes a great run and get's caught offside because our midfielders are too slow at releasing the ball.

Rayne Wooney · 29-06-2014 03:05PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Hos movement is excellent he would do very well playing with a good midfield behind him. His runs are excellent but he has suffered at United because of the quality of service. So many times he makes a great run and get's caught offside because our midfielders are too slow at releasing the ball.

I'm just basing it off what I've seen and remember really

you could say Giroud would be the best striker in the world with Bale, Di Maria and Ronaldo behind him.

ShaneU · 29-06-2014 03:05PM

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/man-united-benfica-are-in-negotiations-over-nicolas-gaitan-bebe-could-be-used-in-the-deal-record/

Portuguese paper Record claim an exclusive on Sunday, reporting that Manchester United and Benfica are in negotiations over Nicolas Gaitan.

According to Record, new United boss Louis van Gaal still currently holding the ball on the transfer moving further, as the Dutch manager considers whether he wants the 26-year-old midfielder or not.

Whilst van Gaal mulls things over, it’s suggested that United could offload Bebe as part of the deal with Benfica.

As to the numbers involved in the deal, Benfica are aiming to scoop at least €20m for Gaitán.

Should Bebe get involved in the deal then Benfica will likely lower their fee, however Record speculate that Bebe’s salary may be a problem for Benfica.

Gaitan made 42 appearances for Benfica last season, scoring seven goals and bagging 10 assists.

Pro. F · 29-06-2014 03:06PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I don't think his movement is excellent, in terms of making runs and pulling defenders out of position, his positioning puts him at the right place at the right time which ties into his finishing

His link up play is poor, his ability to lead the line is nonexistent, he will generally not create chances for himself, I cannot easily recall one instance of him running at a defence

I wouldn't say he has an abundance of pace and strength either

His movement for dragging defenders around the pitch wouldn't be as good as somebody like Rooney or Suarez, but in terms of sniffing out chances in the box his movement is as good as anybody and far better than most. So to describe his movement as anything less than excellent is wrong.

His link up play is poor, but it's not as bad as you're making out.

Whether or not he has an abundance of pace and strength I'm not interested in arguing; you can't argue that he is poor in that department.

You described him as brilliant at finishing and poor at almost everything else, that is very wrong.

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