How long will Suarez's ban be? Mod warning in OP and post#455

rob316 · 27-06-2014 04:45PM

12 month global ban

googled eyes wrote: »

Apparently FIFPRO the player's union are getting involved as the world ban/ stadium and training ban infringes on Suarez' right to work.

I was thinking the same.

I am in agreement with banning him from international football and a total football ban, its harsh on Liverpool but not on Suarez. He deserves it

Banning him from Anfield/Melwood and training is a bit much though IMO.

The other issue I have is FIFA made no attempt to get him help. He is one of the brightest talents in the game, the game would benefit from helping him treat this problem. A non-biting Suarez as evidenced by his last season is a truly exciting player who adds value to any league.

Royal Irish · 27-06-2014 04:47PM

12 month global ban

niallo27 wrote: »

I think the point he may be making is that people causing it a vicious assault and calling for jail time are slightly overplaying the incident.

I've been dropping in and out of this thread since it started so haven't read all the posts and I haven't seen anyone call for jail time for Suarez.

People who would call for that are just daft.

You can't bite other players though. People keep saying it was his third time when really it is his 4th that we know of. He was banned for 10 games by the FA last time. Bans for similar incidents should never get smaller. They should always get bigger and bigger until the player cops on so I agree with the ban 100%.

If he does it again he will get something like 6 months or a 20 match ban so basically he will miss half a season. That is why he is now untouchable to all the big clubs in Europe.

Will I Amnt · 27-06-2014 04:47PM

8 matches

niallo27 wrote: »

Why in the name of Jesus would you mention sexual assault on the field. Are you comparing what Suarez did to a sexual assault and that Suarez victims would go through the same ordeal.

Why can't people distinguish between an example and a comparison? Happens every time on here.

eyescreamcone · 27-06-2014 04:51PM

2 matches

A few people on here think that Hunt fracturing Cech's skull was a small matter.
It was probably the most dispicable foul in recent years and was way worse than any one or 3 bites that Suarez made.
Why wasn't the punishment higher?

Soft Falling Rain · 27-06-2014 04:52PM

googled eyes wrote: »

Apparently FIFPRO the player's union are getting involved as the world ban/ stadium and training ban infringes on Suarez' right to work.

Wouldn't it just be like any other job where someone is suspended indefinitely without pay? That is not classed as an infringement on someone's right to work as far as I know.

niallo27 · 27-06-2014 04:52PM

1 match

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Why can't people distinguish between an example and a comparison? Happens every time on here.

Do you think it was a good example to use.

googled eyes · 27-06-2014 04:56PM

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

Wouldn't it just be like any other job where someone is suspended indefinitely without pay? That is not classed as an infringement on someone's right to work as far as I know.

But he's not been suspended by his employer is the angle ( I think ). Not a big fan of Unions and legal talk so I don't know.

wonga77 · 27-06-2014 04:58PM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

A few people on here think that Hunt fracturing Cech's skull was a small matter.
It was probably the most dispicable foul in recent years and was way worse than any one or 3 bites that Suarez made.
Why wasn't the punishment higher?

I dont know why im even bothering to reply but here goes.
First of all he didnt "stamp" as you put it. You make it sound like he did riverdance on Cech's head
He had no history of this behavior, it wasnt premeditated, most people have it down as an accidental colision. Im not sure how its even comparable to somebody biting tbh

Ordinary man · 27-06-2014 04:59PM

rob316 wrote: »

I was thinking the same.

I am in agreement with banning him from international football and a total football ban, its harsh on Liverpool but not on Suarez. He deserves it

Banning him from Anfield/Melwood and training is a bit much though IMO.

The other issue I have is FIFA made no attempt to get him help. He is one of the brightest talents in the game, the game would benefit from helping him treat this problem. A non-biting Suarez as evidenced by his last season is a truly exciting player who adds value to any league.

Why is it up to fifa to get him help? If he is too mentally unbalanced to go a season without biting or loosing the plot, then maybe he needs to hang up his boots. He can afford to get any amount of help he needs but chooses not too

Will I Amnt · 27-06-2014 05:00PM

8 matches

niallo27 wrote: »

Do you think it was a good example to use.

Yeah, sometimes you need to use an extreme example to get a point across, the spitting example obviously didn't work.

Maybe look past the extremity and answer the question?
It's not all about the physical mark left on the player as the other poster is making out.

eyescreamcone · 27-06-2014 05:04PM

2 matches

wonga77 wrote: »

I dont know why im even bothering to reply but here goes.
First of all he didnt "stamp" as you put it. You make it sound like he did riverdance on Cech's head
He had no history of this behavior, it wasnt premeditated, most people have it down as an accidental colision. Im not sure how its even comparable to somebody biting tbh

You shouldn't have bothered. Your reply was useless.
Hunt deliberately kicked Cech in the head. Maybe he didn't intend to fracture his skull but he meant to "let him know he was there".
Accidental my arse. We usually hear home town views like this when Irish rugby lads such as Alan Quinlan get done for "eye gouging".

If you think this was accidental you know very little about the game.
Years later Hunt wanted to swap shirts after a game v Chelsea. He went to their changing room and was rightly told to F-OFF.

This was infinitely worse than anything Suarez did.

Zico · 27-06-2014 05:05PM

1 match

eyescreamcone wrote: »

A few people on here think that Hunt fracturing Cech's skull was a small matter.
It was probably the most dispicable foul in recent years and was way worse than any one or 3 bites that Suarez made.
Why wasn't the punishment higher?

Perhaps if you were on the disciplinary committee it would have been, but it seems you have a very different view about these things to most people in football.

Being in the minority you'll just have to get used to how things are and hope players of teams you follow behave themselves to the standards the rest of us expect.

niallo27 · 27-06-2014 05:08PM

1 match

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Yeah, sometimes you need to use an extreme example to get a point across, the spitting example obviously didn't work.

Maybe look past the extremity and answer the question?
It's not all about the physical mark left on the player as the other poster is making out.

I don't think anyone that was bitten by him were mentally scared by what happened. Ivananvic didnt miss a game and shook his hand and the Italian fella seems to be making light of it so yes i do find the use of a sexual assault as a reference point to be quiet bizarre.

wonga77 · 27-06-2014 05:08PM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

You shouldn't have bothered. Your reply was useless.
Hunt deliberately kicked Cech in the head. Maybe he didn't intend to fracture his skull but he meant to "let him know he was there".
Accidental my arse. We usually hear home town views like this when Irish rugby lads such as Alan Quinlan get done for "eye gouging".

If you think this was accidental you know very little about the game.
Years later Hunt wanted to swap shirts after a game v Chelsea. He went to their changing room and was rightly told to F-OFF.

This was infinitely worse than anything Suarez did.

Not a home town view, I couldnt gve 2 ****es about Hunt. il bow to your superior knowledge on this, You obviously know everything about everything. Good man

eyescreamcone · 27-06-2014 05:12PM

2 matches

Zico wrote: »

Perhaps if you were on the disciplinary committee it would have been, but it seems you have a very different view about these things to most people in football.

Being in the minority you'll just have to get used to how things are and hope players of teams you follow behave themselves to the standards the rest of us expect.

I'm not sure which ivory tower you live in but I'd much prefer to get one of Suarez's harmless lovebites than have my skull fractured like Petr Cech did.

cournioni · 27-06-2014 05:13PM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Did any of Suarez's bite victims have to be substituted because of the bites?
Did any of them miss any further games through injury caused by the bite?
How many games did they miss?

Maybe the remainder of the tournament, had Suarez been rightly sent off.

eyescreamcone · 27-06-2014 05:14PM

2 matches

wonga77 wrote: »

Not a home town view, I couldnt gve 2 ****es about Hunt. il bow to your superior knowledge on this, You obviously know everything about everything. Good man

Thank you for bowing....and while you're down there...

Will I Amnt · 27-06-2014 05:14PM

8 matches

niallo27 wrote: »

I don't think anyone that was bitten by him were mentally scared by what happened. Ivananvic didnt miss a game and shook his hand and the Italian fella seems to be making light of it so yes i do find the use of a sexual assault as a reference point to be quiet bizarre.

You're missing the point, Zico was refuting this view
"Is it really that serious if nobody was hurt"
His reply was valid.

cournioni · 27-06-2014 05:15PM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

I'm not sure which ivory tower you live in but I'd much prefer to get one of Suarez's harmless lovebites than have my skull fractured like Petr Cech did.

Another person that doesn't realise the dangers of possible infections from human bites breaking the skin.

niallo27 · 27-06-2014 05:16PM

1 match

Will I Amnt wrote: »

You're missing the point, Zico was refuting this view
"Is it really that serious if nobody was hurt"
His reply was valid.

Of course its serious. The man is half bonkers.

eyescreamcone · 27-06-2014 05:16PM

2 matches

cournioni wrote: »

Maybe the remainder of the tournament, had Suarez been rightly sent off.

That's a good point maybe FIFA should bring in instant video refing.
Maybe start a new thread/maybe not

NoelJ · 27-06-2014 05:18PM

3 matches

cournioni wrote: »

Another person that doesn't realise the dangers of possible infections from human bites breaking the skin.

If that had happened it would be a court case. I don't think Chellini would be taking it as easy if he had an infection.

Zico · 27-06-2014 05:18PM

1 match

eyescreamcone wrote: »

I'm not sure which ivory tower you live in but I'd much prefer to get one of Suarez's harmless lovebites than have my skull fractured like Petr Cech did.

Good for you.

Maybe it'll catch on. I'm sure employers would much prefer staff coming in with bites rather than sprained ankles or broken wrists because some fat oaf booted them in a fit of rage during an evening 5-aside game.

You could start a new craze "bite me, don't boot me".

niallo27 · 27-06-2014 05:19PM

1 match

cournioni wrote: »

Another person that doesn't realise the dangers of possible infections from human bites breaking the skin.

I'm not sure you do yourself though. Do you know the chances yourself.

eyescreamcone · 27-06-2014 05:19PM

2 matches

cournioni wrote: »

Another person that doesn't realise the dangers of possible infections from human bites breaking the skin.

Infections can be serious indeed - did anyone get an infection?

Unearthly · 27-06-2014 05:19PM

Ordinary man wrote: »

I find it crazy that suarez didn't even try to issue some kind of apology after the game or even after getting banned. He doesn't seem to even have acknowledged that it was wrong to do that.

Nothing new here really. It took him ages to apologise to Evra and it was only cause Liverpool finally copped onto themselves but he has since backtracked.

I get the feeling he genuinely thinks he should be allowed do what he does

RedemptionZ · 27-06-2014 05:20PM

cournioni wrote: »

Another person that doesn't realise the dangers of possible infections from human bites breaking the skin.

Infection is preferable to brain damage most of the time...

Corholio · 27-06-2014 05:22PM

The people who are using the 'sure noone was hurt' argument. What are their views on spitting, or using racist insults? Honestly, I'd like to know.

Too Tough To Die · 27-06-2014 05:22PM

Over 10 matches

Sergio Ramos should get a 10 match ban if he reaches 20 red cards for Real. He clearly isn't learning his lesson.

Irlandczyk · 27-06-2014 05:23PM

10 matches

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Infections can be serious indeed - did anyone get an infection?

Oh, that's easy: No, no infections. Of course, why this even matters is the confusing and difficult part of your question to answer. If I bite some randomer on O'Connell St., is it not assault unless s/he gets an infection?

How long will Suarez's ban be? Mod warning in OP and post#455

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