Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

Billy86 · 27-06-2014 02:42PM

EuropeanSon wrote: »

I think you're mixing your Euros and pounds up there a fair bit.

Alves was €32.5 million, Pepe €30 million, Coentrao €30 million, Lescott £22 million, all according to Wikipedia.

All were a good bit less risky than Shaw as signings, too. And Lescott was bought in the "pay whatever they ask" phase at the Etihad.

Thiago Silva was one of the best defenders in the world and cost €42 million according to Wikipedia, which is about £34 million. And he was bought in PSGs period of crazy spending. I've no idea what they were doing with the Luiz deal.

I'm not saying Shaw won't work out, by the way. I expect he'll be a very good player for you. I'm just pointing out that by any measure you could concieve it was an extraordinarily expensive buy, and almost unarguably overpriced.

I'm going to drop this now before it goes in circles, as I've really spelled out what I mean quite clearly and can't really add much more.

You are completely ignoring time again though. Thiago Silva turned 27 early in the season he signed for PSG. David Luiz is 27 now. Dani Alves was 26 when he signed for Barca. Pepe was 24 when he signed for Madrid.

Absolute best case scenario, the maximum time that any of several defenders would be of use for would be about 7 years, half of Shaw's remain ing time, when they signed him (9 or 10 years for Pepe). If Shaw is good enough is something we pay our scouts to ascertain. Chelsea do likewise. Both were extremely excited by him, so I'll take a hunch that they are onto something.

Markets are also further inflated from where they were when Alves or Pepe were signed, and more so again from when Ramos was signed.

Who do you think would have been a better option and at what price, out of interest?

Maximus Alexander · 27-06-2014 02:44PM

Zico wrote: »

You're wasting your time trying to talk sense right now.

He's basically walked in to this and tried to start a serious conversation:

Mr_Red · 27-06-2014 02:46PM

This is how I see Ed Woodward in the Boardroom today

TheTownie · 27-06-2014 02:47PM

Manchester United ‏@ManUtd 1m
Tune in to #MUTV at 16:00 and 18:30 BST to watch @LukeShaw3's vert first interview as an #mufc player.

IvySlayer · 27-06-2014 02:47PM

My grandad died this morning, this thread keeps cheering me up

Billy86 · 27-06-2014 02:48PM

EuropeanSon wrote: »

You clearly have no understanding of the time value of money. €1 now is not equivalent to €1 in 5 years time. Better to think of it as 1% of your income now being interchangeable with 1% of your income in 5 years time, in a very inflationary world like professional football (though obviously that simplifies it to much too).

The rest of your points I've already addressed, really, so this will be my (for real this time ) last post on this topic.

And all those figures continue to rise with time also, if the last twenty plus years have been anything to go by. One of my main points was actually that €1 now is not the equivalent to €1 in five years. I don't exactly see football as a bubble that is ready to burst, 30mn for 15 years is better value than 30mn for 7 years no matter what way you try to cut it, and the real gamble lies in if he will be able to live up to the hype/potential as De Gea has. Which, again, is why we pay our scouts good money to do what they do.

Good day so.

MagicIRL · 27-06-2014 02:49PM

IvySlayer wrote: »

My grandad died this morning, this thread keeps cheering me up

My deepest condolences for your loss.

Spazdarn · 27-06-2014 02:51PM

Coentrao was apparently available to us for a third of that fee, and he's in his mid twenties so he's still young.

Kylo Ren · 27-06-2014 02:53PM

IvySlayer wrote: »

My grandad died this morning, this thread keeps cheering me up

That's terrible. Really sorry to hear that man.

Adamocovic · 27-06-2014 02:53PM

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Coentrao was apparently available to us for a third of that fee, and he's in his mid twenties so he's still young.

7 years older or so, but can't see Real Madrid selling him for €10million or less

Montroseee · 27-06-2014 02:54PM

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Coentrao was apparently available to us for a third of that fee, and he's in his mid twenties so he's still young.

He's really not that great though, Real way overpaid for him. Shaw has the potential to be a far better left back and probably already is. Coentrao is defensively suspect to say the very least.

Liam McPoyle · 27-06-2014 02:54PM

IvySlayer wrote: »

My grandad died this morning, this thread keeps cheering me up

Condolences on your loss man.

Whatsisname · 27-06-2014 02:55PM

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L.Shaw: "I never really considered Chelsea. My heart was always set on a move to United. They are the biggest club in the world." #MUFC

Headshot · 27-06-2014 02:56PM

Wow im so over the moon with Shaw. What a outstanding talent we have

Adamocovic · 27-06-2014 02:56PM

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Coentrao was apparently available to us for a third of that fee, and he's in his mid twenties so he's still young.

Last price I read for him was Real Madrid wanted £22 million, but he was always looked out as a back up plan for if we didn't get Shaw.

advertsfox · 27-06-2014 02:58PM

Headshot wrote: »

Wow im so over the moon with Shaw. What a outstanding talent we have

Adamocovic · 27-06-2014 02:58PM

With all this talk about signings I started to forget with don't have a back room staff yet. Who do people think Van Gaal and Giggs will add? Any room still for Phil Neville, think the idea of Scholes is gone now after the things he has been saying for PaddyPower.

Backstreet Moyes · 27-06-2014 03:00PM

DDG already one of the best keepers in the world.

Rafael already has shown two seasons ago he is a very good rb. I expect him to flourish under LVG and improve.

Shaw only 18 looks like a potential world class player.

Evans has shown the past two seasons he can be a first team starter.

Smalling and Jones look to have potential it's a big season for both.

Really is looking very good for the future at the back anyway.

Cookiemunster · 27-06-2014 03:04PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

With all this talk about signings I started to forget with don't have a back room staff yet. Who do people think Van Gaal and Giggs will add? Any room still for Phil Neville, think the idea of Scholes is gone now after the things he has been saying for PaddyPower.

He does have a back room staff. It was announced on the day he was unveiled that he's bringing Frans Hoek (Dutch national team Gk coach) and Marcel Bout (match analyst from his AZ and Bayern days) with him.

redbaron_99 · 27-06-2014 03:04PM

IvySlayer wrote: »

My grandad died this morning, this thread keeps cheering me up

Sorry to hear that.

Rayne Wooney · 27-06-2014 03:05PM

The Moldy Gowl · 27-06-2014 03:07PM

Lads, any one seen the Ed haterz?

Where is Homey Jay on this joyous occasion?

h8trz r motiv8trz

Whatsisname · 27-06-2014 03:08PM

ManUtd Stuff ‏@ManUtdStuff 4m
United & Feyenoord have reached an agreement for the transfer of Stefan De Vrij, who is in the Dutch squad with Van Gaal right now. [men]

Ah god, I need to sit down

Montroseee · 27-06-2014 03:09PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

DDG already one of the best keepers in the world.

Rafael already has shown two seasons ago he is a very good rb. I expect him to flourish under LVG and improve.

Shaw only 18 looks like a potential world class player.

Evans has shown the past two seasons he can be a first team starter.

Smalling and Jones look to have potential it's a big season for both.

Really is looking very good for the future at the back anyway.

We can all see that Rafael has the ability and talent but his discipline is questionable. The main problem with him is his fitness, honestly it's ridiculous at this stage how injury prone the lad is. Ideally I'd like a right back bought in after another CM and winger as competition/back up as playing Smalling and Jones there has hampered their development. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this was in mind when giving Valencia a new contract.

TheDoc · 27-06-2014 03:09PM

That gif with Daniel Levy and Harry Redknapp gif of throwing the money around to LVG and Eddie

SOMEONE WITH SKILLS MAKE IT HAPPEN

MagicIRL · 27-06-2014 03:10PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Ah god, I need to sit down

Would'nt bother with it. Doesn't even sound like a legit account!

Adamocovic · 27-06-2014 03:13PM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

He does have a back room staff. It was announced on the day he was unveiled that he's bringing Frans Hoek (Dutch national team Gk coach) and Marcel Bout (match analyst from his AZ and Bayern days) with him.

Yeah he has the assistant coach and goalkeeping coach (Giggs too) but I was talking more about the other roles, minor in the first team and youths too. More so what will happen to the class of 92. Sorry for not clarifying.

There was speculation that he would be changing them but today I heard Butt will more than likely be brought back in charge at the Youth Academy but they are still unsure whether Phil Neville will be given a role in the Youths or even a minor coaching role in the first team. It's pretty much confirmed Scholes won't have any role.

Crann na Beatha · 27-06-2014 03:14PM

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Paul Tergat · 27-06-2014 03:15PM

sorry to hear that Ivy mate!

Zico · 27-06-2014 03:17PM

I just want to see them play.

I still have the memories of last season in my head. Looking at the team selection before a game thinking "Yeah, this team should win comfortably" and then watching the horror unfold.

That won't go away until I've seen this team in action playing attractive attacking football again and scaring the crap out of visitors to OT.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

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