Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

Zico · 27-06-2014 02:23PM

irishfeen wrote: »

Haha some of yous doubted ED ... even in my hardest Moyes supporting times I always knew he would come good

You think it was an achievement buying a player for his buyout clause fee and paying £30m for an 18 year old?

He's a year late on what he's delivered so far in my opinion so I'll need to see a lot more before I join in the back slapping.

Maximus Alexander · 27-06-2014 02:24PM

I keep feeling like I've clicked in to the wrong thread. Signings, optimism, excitement, GIFs? What is this?

MagicIRL · 27-06-2014 02:27PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I keep feeling like I've clicked in to the wrong thread. Signings, optimism, excitement, GIFs? What is this?

IT'S THE MANCHESTER UNITER SUPER HAPPY FUN TIMES THREAD 2014/15

:):cool:

user2011 · 27-06-2014 02:28PM

The bridge everyone else is taking to the title next season..

In no way do I think we can win the league.

Yeah Shaw signed sealed delivered.

EuropeanSon · 27-06-2014 02:28PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

I wouldn't be too sure these days, we've seen in the last while prices rising a lot. Considering some defenders have gone for a lot more, Luiz and Silva 40-50 million for example.

Also remember Man City bought Lescott for 28 million back in 2009, Coentrao and Pepe went for the 30-35 million mark too and don't forget Alves was 35-40 million too.

And we bought Ferdinand for similar money of near 30 million and at the time people questioned that.

I think you're mixing your Euros and pounds up there a fair bit.

Alves was €32.5 million, Pepe €30 million, Coentrao €30 million, Lescott £22 million, all according to Wikipedia.

All were a good bit less risky than Shaw as signings, too. And Lescott was bought in the "pay whatever they ask" phase at the Etihad.

Thiago Silva was one of the best defenders in the world and cost €42 million according to Wikipedia, which is about £34 million. And he was bought in PSGs period of crazy spending. I've no idea what they were doing with the Luiz deal.

I'm not saying Shaw won't work out, by the way. I expect he'll be a very good player for you. I'm just pointing out that by any measure you could concieve it was an extraordinarily expensive buy, and almost unarguably overpriced.

I'm going to drop this now before it goes in circles, as I've really spelled out what I mean quite clearly and can't really add much more.

Billy86 · 27-06-2014 02:29PM

EuropeanSon wrote: »

You're overestimating the cost of a good left back there by a large margin.

£15-20m would probably get you a guaranteed top class left back.

Coentrao, approx 30mn
Sergio Ramos approx 27mn
Dani Alves approx 30mn
Glen bloody Johnson 17.5mn sterling

Kylo Ren · 27-06-2014 02:29PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I keep feeling like I've clicked in to the wrong thread. Signings, optimism, excitement, GIFs? What is this?

"No, you aresh in the rishe plache. Thish ish the Manchestersh United Superthreadsh on Boardsh.ie. Welcomesh."

Lucas Hood · 27-06-2014 02:29PM

This was at Psv pre season training today .

Rubber_Soul · 27-06-2014 02:29PM

Delighted with both signings so far even if they are both somewhat gambles. Hopefully a top class cb to follow soon. I'd be surprised if we see any more cm signings now though, I'd say we'll make the rumoured move for Strootman in January instead.

eagle eye · 27-06-2014 02:30PM

I hope the Ander Herrera talk is just rumour. I'll be gutted if he leaves Bilbao, especially as he will get Champion's league football if he stays.

thelad95 · 27-06-2014 02:30PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I hope the Ander Herrera talk is just rumour. I'll be gutted if he leaves Bilbao, especially as he will get Champion's league football if he stays.

You might wanna sit down......

Lucas Hood · 27-06-2014 02:31PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I hope the Ander Herrera talk is just rumour. I'll be gutted if he leaves Bilbao, especially as he will get Champion's league football if he stays.

He's already signed for us.

NTMK · 27-06-2014 02:31PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I hope the Ander Herrera talk is just rumour. I'll be gutted if he leaves Bilbao, especially as he will get Champion's league football if he stays.

eh

who wants to tell him?

Maximus Alexander · 27-06-2014 02:32PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I hope the Ander Herrera talk is just rumour. I'll be gutted if he leaves Bilbao, especially as he will get Champion's league football if he stays.

glued · 27-06-2014 02:32PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I hope the Ander Herrera talk is just rumour. I'll be gutted if he leaves Bilbao, especially as he will get Champion's league football if he stays.

Kylo Ren · 27-06-2014 02:33PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I hope the Ander Herrera talk is just rumour. I'll be gutted if he leaves Bilbao, especially as he will get Champion's league football if he stays.

Oh, God. I knew we'd have to have this talk one day. Listen champ, when a player and a club fall in love...

EuropeanSon · 27-06-2014 02:33PM

Billy86 wrote: »

He absolutely was, set us up to have one of the best keepers in the world for the next 15 plus years. If you track average fees, 30mn today translates to about 10mn in 2002, just after Juve spent €51mn(!) on Buffon. You will not find a Juve fan in the world who is unhappy with the value for money they got in that transfer. That is way, way, way more than we paid for DDG in relative terms.

If you buy a 27 year old fullback for 15mn today, you need to replace him in five years. With the ever inflating prices, a top end FB at that stage will likely cost over 20mn, and again in five more years for closer to 25-30mn. The total cost there comes to 60mn+ to cover you for the same 15 years Shaw will if he is as good as we think he is (and likewise you are taking a risk of all three of those guys) And that is why we pay our scouts top dollar, and put faith in them accordingly.

Long term, high end stability is almost impossible to put a price on in the modern game. If you think 50mn for 15 years of top, top end play at LB & GK is not good value then you really have a poor understanding of the market.

You clearly have no understanding of the time value of money. €1 now is not equivalent to €1 in 5 years time. Better to think of it as 1% of your income now being interchangeable with 1% of your income in 5 years time, in a very inflationary world like professional football (though obviously that simplifies it to much too).

The rest of your points I've already addressed, really, so this will be my (for real this time

) last post on this topic.

advertsfox · 27-06-2014 02:33PM

Herrerashaw!

user2011 · 27-06-2014 02:34PM

Sarcasm*... No?

jonnyfingers · 27-06-2014 02:34PM

SAF said "There's no value in the market".

Ed be like.....

throwing+money+in+the+air.jpg

advertsfox · 27-06-2014 02:35PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I hope the Ander Herrera talk is just rumour. I'll be gutted if he leaves Bilbao, especially as he will get Champion's league football if he stays.

bucketybuck · 27-06-2014 02:36PM

TheDoc wrote: »

If it was as simple as playing him for a few games and he would be back at that blistering form, I think we would see that.

Well there is one sure fire way to find out, and in a world where Antonio Valencia plays 30 games a season its quite mind-boggling that Nani isn't at least given the chance.

Adamocovic · 27-06-2014 02:37PM

EuropeanSon wrote: »

I think you're mixing your Euros and pounds up there a fair bit.

Alves was €32.5 million, Pepe €30 million, Coentrao €30 million, Lescott £22 million, all according to Wikipedia.

All were a good bit less risky than Shaw as signings, too. And Lescott was bought in the "pay whatever they ask" phase at the Etihad.

Thiago Silva was one of the best defenders in the world and cost €42 million according to Wikipedia, which is about £34 million. And he was bought in PSGs period of crazy spending. I've no idea what they were doing with the Luiz deal.

I'm not saying Shaw won't work out, by the way. I expect he'll be a very good player for you. I'm just pointing out that by any measure you could concieve it was an extraordinarily expensive buy, and almost unarguably overpriced.

I'm going to drop this now before it goes in circles, as I've really spelled out what I mean quite clearly and can't really add much more.

Just to clarify the prices I was stating were Euros, Alves went for €35.5 million when you add in the bonus that clubs receive if they do well, Pepe and Coentrao were both within in €30-35 million that I said, and Ferdinand cost rose a lot because of his success and the deal which left him at something €45 million.

But yeah we both have difference of opinions about it no point going any further.

Adamocovic · 27-06-2014 02:38PM

Mikeyt086 · 27-06-2014 02:38PM

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

He'll stay with you for 3 years and then sign for his boyhood dream club

Luke Shaw: "I believe English players should only have one target and that's to play for ManUtd, this is the biggest club"

Maximus Alexander · 27-06-2014 02:38PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Just to clarify the prices I was stating were Euros, Alves went for €35.5 million when you add in the bonus that clubs receive if they do well, Pepe and Coentrao were both within in €30-35 million that I said, and Ferdinand cost rose a lot because of his success and the deal which left him at something €45 million.

But yeah we both have difference of opinions about it no point going any further.

He supports a selling club, his idea of value is never going mesh with ours.

Rayne Wooney · 27-06-2014 02:39PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I hope the Ander Herrera talk is just rumour. I'll be gutted if he leaves Bilbao, especially as he will get Champion's league football if he stays.

FutureGuy · 27-06-2014 02:39PM

Mars Bar but seriously be thinking she travelled through a gateway to another dimension while she was on that plane.

eagle eye · 27-06-2014 02:39PM

I didn't think it was done yet, was hoping against hope that it wasn't true. Sadly he has signed for United. They've gotten a great one.

Zico · 27-06-2014 02:40PM

EuropeanSon wrote: »

You clearly have no understanding of the time value of money. €1 now is not equivalent to €1 in 5 years time. Better to think of it as 1% of your income now being interchangeable with 1% of your income in 5 years time, in a very inflationary world like professional football (though obviously that simplifies it to much too).

The rest of your points I've already addressed, really, so this will be my (for real this time ) last post on this topic.

You're wasting your time trying to talk sense right now.

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