Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

Zico · 24-06-2014 01:31PM

glued wrote: »

Is the Woodward mob still out or are the pitchforks back in the hay?

As per usual under Woodward's watch there's been rumours and speculation but no actual signings as yet.

If the most recent rumours are true I expect more torches to be lit.

I haven't seen anything of Ander Herrera but if he'd been setting the world alight at Bilbao last season somebody would surely have mentioned it.

Backstreet Moyes · 24-06-2014 01:37PM

Think loaning out Zaha is a waste of time if he doesn't sort out his attitude. I think if he is to go we should sell him but maybe LVG can sort him out he has lots of raw talent.

Spazdarn · 24-06-2014 01:39PM

Were Zaha's attitude problems local to Moyes or was he equally as bad with Ole?

24-06-2014 01:40PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Looked through the Dutch squad and it is so average. With Robben and RVP they have two world class players. Sneijder has been awful and none of the rest are standout players. Not in a million years did i see them topping that group nevermind scoring 10 goals and getting 9 points. I watched every game and his tactics were spot on and he got the best out of the players he had. I could not be more excited.

That's a little bit unfair on De Jong, I think he play's the role LVG has given him extremely well.

dor843088 · 24-06-2014 01:41PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Looked through the Dutch squad and it is so average. With Robben and RVP they have two world class players. Sneijder has been awful and none of the rest are standout players. Not in a million years did i see them topping that group nevermind scoring 10 goals and getting 9 points. I watched every game and his tactics were spot on and he got the best out of the players he had. I could not be more excited.

Heard one of the lads on the off the ball show (who was at the game ) saying sneijder worked ferociously hard off the ball against spain. Putting in a huge shift is worth a lot more to a team then one or two omg moments imo. Id be happy to have sneijder at utd.

Spazdarn · 24-06-2014 01:48PM

dor843088 wrote: »

Heard one of the lads on the off the ball show (who was at the game ) saying sneijder worked ferociously hard off the ball against spain. Putting in a huge shift is worth a lot more to a team then one or two omg moments imo. Id be happy to have sneijder at utd.

Thinks he's well past it now, two or three years ago I'd have been delighted.

TheDoc · 24-06-2014 01:52PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Looked through the Dutch squad and it is so average. With Robben and RVP they have two world class players. Sneijder has been awful and none of the rest are standout players. Not in a million years did i see them topping that group nevermind scoring 10 goals and getting 9 points. I watched every game and his tactics were spot on and he got the best out of the players he had. I could not be more excited.

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and this isn't an attacko n you, but Holland were scandously under rated coming into this tournament.

The assumption of inhouse fighting going to kick off, and for some reason the excuse "not enough quality" kept cropping up.

Sure there is a large portion of the squad play their football in Holland, but that's not to say they arn't any use.

And if this world cup has shown anything, it's that teams are being the best because of the sum of their parts, not because of their superstars. Holland are no exception to this. Only really Brazil have been.

De Jong is a good midfielder who I think people saw him at City and assumed the worst, along with his headline tackle at the last World Cup. But hes a tidy midfielder who is a bit of a rabid dog at times. Been one of the standout DM's in the tournament so far.

Van Gaal has operated pretty nicely in terms of keeping the front 3 fresh. They do a lot of work, and they seem to get ahead in the game, and then he makes the changes. Although it can't be forgotten those front three are kicking on in terms of age, although you wouldn't think it looking at Robben flying.

Bodes well for us next season, downright impressed with Van Gaal ( not that i needed impressing) but the way he seems to be able to shift tactically is pretty wonderful to see.

Stormed into the next round, no injuries, no suspensions I think, plenty of rest for the front three, and some big hitters not even involved. Suprised Huntelaar hasnt got a look in yet.

TheDoc · 24-06-2014 01:55PM

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Thinks he's well past it now, two or three years ago I'd have been delighted.

Sneijder has done exceptionally well in that dutch front 3 operating through the middle.

Look it's no big secret Sneijder went where he went for the money. I'm sorry but a top quality player doesn't go to Turkey, unless hes getting big money, and wants to take the foot of the gas somewhat.

He will regret that decision, he was at the peak of his powers and decided that he would take a step back.

Sneijders game has never been built on pace, it's been passing and intelligence, with clever movement and the likes. Could probably do well for us, but your assuming there is dynamic pace around him.

It's unfortunate he never arrived, but I think there is better players out there. If he came for a snippet, sure why not, but I wouldnt go hunting him down and getting bogged down in the financials again like last time with him.

I think he had his chance, he decided to go for some easy money to Turkey, best of luck to him.

Leftist · 24-06-2014 01:56PM

delighted sneijder ended up in turkey. He could have been a united player if he wasn't so greedy.

Iseedeadpixels · 24-06-2014 01:57PM

Nice write about Herrera

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2666976/Ander-Hererra-poised-complete-Old-Trafford-Louis-van-Gaal-signing.html

bucketybuck · 24-06-2014 01:57PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Imagine they won it and we had a World Cup winning manager coming in, Van Gaal would obtain a god complex and start referring to himself as Allah.

I'm hoping for good things from LVG as well but I do think people shouldn't be getting so carried away, he is certainly not guaranteed to be a success. A lot of people seem to think that it is a given that LVG will sign the right players and handle our squad in the right way, that he will hit the ground running and we can get back into the top four.

Don't forget, Phil Scolari was a world cup winning manager who came to the Premier league with a big reputation and look how that turned out! I think I'll wait and see before I start proclaiming Van Gaal as our lord and saviour.

Mitch Connor · 24-06-2014 01:59PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I'm hoping for good things from LVG as well but I do think people shouldn't be getting so carried away, he is certainly not guaranteed to be a success. A lot of people seem to think that it is a given that LVG will sign the right players and handle our squad in the right way, that he will hit the ground running and we can get back into the top four.

Don't forget, Phil Scolari was a world cup winning manager who came to the Premier league with a big reputation and look how that turned out! I think I'll wait and see before I start proclaiming Van Gaal as our lord and saviour.

Big Phil had never managed a club side out of Brazil; I always thought there were question marks over him and his ability to manage Chelsea.

LVG has managed in Spain, Holland and Germany, and is experienced in the CL too - I dont have the same reservations about him. Obviously it may not work out, but I personaly think it is a very different situation to Scolari.

bucketybuck · 24-06-2014 02:04PM

TheDoc wrote: »

De Jong is a good midfielder who I think people saw him at City and assumed the worst, along with his headline tackle at the last World Cup. But hes a tidy midfielder who is a bit of a rabid dog at times. Been one of the standout DM's in the tournament so far..

Is there anybody really saying differently? De Jong was excellent for City and I was surprised that they let him go, I'd have rather had him this last few seasons than Cleverley or Fletcher thats for sure.

Lucas Hood · 24-06-2014 02:04PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Big Phil had never managed a club side out of Brazil; I always thought there were question marks over him and his ability to manage Chelsea.

LVG has managed in Spain, Holland and Germany, and is experienced in the CL too - I dont have the same reservations about him. Obviously it may not work out, but I personaly think it is a very different situation to Scolari.

Well that's not true.
Here is managerial record.

beakerjoe · 24-06-2014 02:06PM

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

Nice write about Herrera

http://www.loadofbullplop.co.uk

FYP :pac:

Only messing, just will never seriously read the Daily Mail.

RobertKK · 24-06-2014 02:06PM

TheDoc wrote: »

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and this isn't an attacko n you, but Holland were scandously under rated coming into this tournament.

The assumption of inhouse fighting going to kick off, and for some reason the excuse "not enough quality" kept cropping up.

Sure there is a large portion of the squad play their football in Holland, but that's not to say they arn't any use.

And if this world cup has shown anything, it's that teams are being the best because of the sum of their parts, not because of their superstars. Holland are no exception to this. Only really Brazil have been.

De Jong is a good midfielder who I think people saw him at City and assumed the worst, along with his headline tackle at the last World Cup. But hes a tidy midfielder who is a bit of a rabid dog at times. Been one of the standout DM's in the tournament so far.

Van Gaal has operated pretty nicely in terms of keeping the front 3 fresh. They do a lot of work, and they seem to get ahead in the game, and then he makes the changes. Although it can't be forgotten those front three are kicking on in terms of age, although you wouldn't think it looking at Robben flying.

Bodes well for us next season, downright impressed with Van Gaal ( not that i needed impressing) but the way he seems to be able to shift tactically is pretty wonderful to see.

Stormed into the next round, no injuries, no suspensions I think, plenty of rest for the front three, and some big hitters not even involved. Suprised Huntelaar hasnt got a look in yet.

Yes, top scorers in the European section of the world cup qualifiers.

They were not Spain or Germany or even France, so got overlooked with their near neighbours Belgium being more talked about.

LVG did a great job for the Dutch side.

bucketybuck · 24-06-2014 02:06PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Big Phil had never managed a club side out of Brazil; I always thought there were question marks over him and his ability to manage Chelsea.

LVG has managed in Spain, Holland and Germany, and is experienced in the CL too - I dont have the same reservations about him. Obviously it may not work out, but I personaly think it is a very different situation to Scolari.

It is a different situation and Van Gaals experience should stand to him, but he still is by no means a guaranteed success, I just think some people are getting carried away and overstating the effect he is going to have.

Obviously I hope I am wrong though.

Leftist · 24-06-2014 02:07PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Well that's not true.
Here is managerial record.

some japanese outfit in the mid 90s?

hardly refutes the point.

keane2097 · 24-06-2014 02:08PM

Leftist wrote: »

some japanese outfit in the mid 90s?

hardly refutes the point.

Al-Shabab as well in fairness.

Lucas Hood · 24-06-2014 02:10PM

Leftist wrote: »

some japanese outfit in the mid 90s?

hardly refutes the point.

Clubs in Kuwait , Saudia Arabia & Japan before he took over Chelsea.

It definitely refutes the point when your point is he never managed a club side outside of Brazil.

Mantis Toboggan · 24-06-2014 02:13PM

When I've watched Herrerra he looked fairly average and was thankful that we hadn't signed him.

I find it strange that 2 consecutive managers seem to feel to think that's he's worth 30 million.

I just hope it's the managers decision regarding the transfer and not some director of football behind the scenes orchestrating the deal.

Royal Irish · 24-06-2014 02:14PM

keane2097 wrote: »

Al-Shabab as well in fairness.

He ran a terrorist group in Somalia? He's obviously a loose cannon Bill.

TheDoc · 24-06-2014 02:15PM

In Mitch's defence, bar Chelsea, I thought he only managed in Brazil. And when you look at your chart, you can see he barely managed 12 months with a club outside of Brazil.

So while the specifics might be slightly skewered, doesn't think it derides his opinion ( one I echo) of his credentials outside of Brazil.

Blatter · 24-06-2014 02:17PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Clubs in Kuwait , Saudia Arabia & Japan before he took over Chelsea.

It definitely refutes the point when your point is he never managed a club side outside of Brazil.

It doesn't refute the spirit of his point though - Scolari had no experience of managing top level clubs in Europe.

Lucas Hood · 24-06-2014 02:17PM

TheDoc wrote: »

In Mitch's defence, bar Chelsea, I thought he only managed in Brazil. And when you look at your chart, you can see he barely managed 12 months with a club outside of Brazil.

So while the specifics might be slightly skewered, doesn't think it derides his opinion ( one I echo) of his credentials outside of Brazil.

Had he said he never managed a top club side outside of Brazil I'd have agreed with him. Just correcting him.

Rubber_Soul · 24-06-2014 02:19PM

Buttner

"I want to play in the Champions League and win trophies."

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Blatter · 24-06-2014 02:19PM

Spanish media claiming that Herrera is set to travel to Manchester tonight.

Mitch Connor · 24-06-2014 02:20PM

ok, i was wrong, genuinely thought he had only managed club level in Brazil. Fair enough.

POSSY · 24-06-2014 02:24PM

Royal Irish wrote: »

He ran a terrorist group in Somalia? He's obviously a loose cannon Bill.

Would he kill his granny for the cause though Bill?

TheDoc · 24-06-2014 02:29PM

Seems Ian Wright is on the same lines as the lads in regards national team pride

Some shocking comments from that moron today

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