Womans ailment misdiagnosed, has 2 months to live.

Umadbrah? · 22-06-2014 09:55PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

The opposite has happened too. Patient told they have 2 months to live so they quit their job and go on a spending spree.

And then two months later, nothing happens. Except that now they are jobless and broke and end up suing the doctor.

Well they don't have a clock one them :cool: It's a estimate she could live for another year

dottybows · 22-06-2014 10:07PM

A friend of mine had a sore throat a few years ago but because it wouldn't get better for a few weeks she went to the doctor but he told her there was nothing wrong - only a sore throat. Gave her some tablets and said to come back if it doesn't get better. It didn't get better and she went back, but same again. She decided to go to a Ear, Nose and Throat Specialist (can't remember what they're called) but he also told her it was only a sore throat and will go away on it's own. She went home to Italy on a holiday and went to her family doctor while she was there. Turns out she had cancer in her tongue! A few weeks longer and it would probably have been too late. A lot of doctors just don't care enough to check properly.

donegal__road · 22-06-2014 10:58PM

I know a reflexologist that can diagnose. A session is 30 euro... she would be able to tell you what your next course of action should be if you had a serious illness.

Calibos · 23-06-2014 01:27AM

donegal__road wrote: »

I know a reflexologist that can diagnose. A session is 30 euro... she would be able to tell you what your next course of action should be if you had a serious illness.

You can take your quackery elsewhere buddy. Tis bad enough in a thread about a sore foot or menstrual cramps or something but in a cancer related thread. Jesus H Christ.

People often say, "Whats the harm in alternative medicine, so what if its all bollocks and placebo and a waste of money, let people believe what they want to believe".

The type of ****e posted above is an example of the harm in alternative medicine. :rolleyes:

Gongoozler · 23-06-2014 01:45AM

dottybows wrote: »

A lot of doctors just don't care enough to check properly.

Well no that's not really it, it's more so that they tend to consider things like age and diet and lifestyle in working out whether or not it's likely to be something else. Ya know, statistics.

obplayer · 23-06-2014 02:07AM

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

What if you are listening to yourself and persist that something is wrong when you're told there's not? It's not a black and white situation, people do listen to themselves but are met with a brick wall.

The symptoms described in the OP are not rare, and I've seen similar symptoms misdiagnosed before, yet doctors are still not able to say "hold on, even if we can't pinpoint the exact illness we've seen these symptoms before and they're not good."

My personal experience is that with GPs you are far better with a woman than a man and I speak as a man. Women listen and they do not seem to have the same need to be the 'important person'.

partyatmygaff · 23-06-2014 02:15AM

donegal__road wrote: »

I know a reflexologist that can diagnose. A session is 30 euro... she would be able to tell you what your next course of action should be if you had a serious illness.

"Go to a doctor"

Quackery and nonsense has cost many people their lives and health.

obplayer · 23-06-2014 02:22AM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

"Go to a doctor"

Quackery and nonsense has cost many people their lives and health.

A real doctor please not a quack.

Amirani · 23-06-2014 02:35AM

obplayer wrote: »

My personal experience is that with GPs you are far better with a woman than a man and I speak as a man. Women listen and they do not seem to have the same need to be the 'important person'.

How many GPs have you used?

obplayer · 23-06-2014 02:40AM

Diego Simeone wrote: »

How many GPs have you used?

Quite a few actually, partly due to moving around a lot until I landed in Ireland at least 10.

Turtwig · 23-06-2014 03:21AM

Getting second and even third opinions is a must. Scans can be misread, symptoms can be missed patients can be misunderstood. My mother for example used to tell doctors she was bloated when in fact she was belching. As a result it took them months to pay close attention to her lungs. In my experience, we really need to be told what each symptom label we use means. Sometimes we need to be lucky too. All too often serious symptoms can present themselves as something benign or common. Various cancers being the obvious culprits here. In these scenarios it's hard to blame doctors for misdiagnosis. Unless they blatantly don't listen or investigate further.

Doctors are like mechanics good for taking your money but always good for identifying and fixing the problems. Some are just better than others. Some are just awful.

donegal__road · 23-06-2014 03:35AM

Calibos wrote: »

You can take your quackery elsewhere buddy. Tis bad enough in a thread about a sore foot or menstrual cramps or something but in a cancer related thread. Jesus H Christ.

People often say, "Whats the harm in alternative medicine, so what if its all bollocks and placebo and a waste of money, let people believe what they want to believe".

The type of ****e posted above is an example of the harm in alternative medicine. :rolleyes:

ok Calibos, no need to get vexed.. I'll take back what I said about reflexologist diagnosing diseases, as my only experience of this is from being told by a reflexologist.. I was willing to take her word.

What I meant to say, I suppose, was that if you feel that conventional doctors are not satisfying your health concerns, dont be afraid to go the hollistic route.

By hollistic I mean herbal, reflexology, iridology, and in certain cases acupuncture... but not reki, or the other one where you drink a gallon of water with some tiny pieces of paper that I cant remember the name of and I couldn't be ar$ed looking it up.. slainte!

kowloon · 23-06-2014 04:06AM

donegal__road wrote: »

the other one where you drink a gallon of water with some tiny pieces of paper that I cant remember the name of and I couldn't be ar$ed looking it up.. slainte!

I'd like to hear about this one also.

donegal__road · 23-06-2014 04:20AM

kowloon wrote: »

I'd like to hear about this one also.

Homeothapy

Calibos · 23-06-2014 09:25AM

Sorry Donegal-road but all your alternative "alternatives" are bollox too. As someone cleverer than me said, "when an 'alternative' medicine is statistically proven to work it's no longer called alternative medicine and is just called medicine.

Deceased Apple founder Steve Jobs is the poster boy for the dangers of alt-med. he chose to go the alternative treatment route for his particular type of pancreatic cancer which at the time had a chance of being cured as it was caught early enough.

Dravokivich · 23-06-2014 10:32AM

donegal__road wrote: »

ok Calibos, no need to get vexed.. I'll take back what I said about reflexologist diagnosing diseases, as my only experience of this is from being told by a reflexologist.. I was willing to take her word.

What I meant to say, I suppose, was that if you feel that conventional doctors are not satisfying your health concerns, dont be afraid to go the hollistic route.

By hollistic I mean herbal, reflexology, iridology, and in certain cases acupuncture... but not reki, or the other one where you drink a gallon of water with some tiny pieces of paper that I cant remember the name of and I couldn't be ar$ed looking it up.. slainte!

Weeds
Foot Rubbing
Staring Competitions
Pinching

I really don't understand why you follow through with these and you're so quick to disregard Reiki or Homeopathy.

donegal__road · 23-06-2014 02:06PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Weeds
Foot Rubbing
Staring Competitions
Pinching

I really don't understand why you follow through with these and you're so quick to disregard Reiki or Homeopathy.

Many modern medicines contain herb extracts, or are derived from plants.

An Irish doctor discovered this

Steve Jobs should not have gone alternative for something as serious as pancreatic. At the same time, Id be inclined to throw everything at it.

kowloon · 23-06-2014 02:32PM

donegal__road wrote: »

Homeothapy

Of course! I'm slow

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The Dagda · 23-06-2014 02:37PM

obplayer wrote: »

My personal experience is that with GPs you are far better with a woman than a man and I speak as a man. Women listen and they do not seem to have the same need to be the 'important person'.

Women have softer hands too... :pac:

captbarnacles · 23-06-2014 02:38PM

I have no faith in Doctors. I snapped my cruciate playing football and was told by 3 different doctors and 3 different physios that my knee was intact. The first one actually said "your cruciate is as strong as a rock and another "you have twisted your knee capsule" (I think he just made that up in the spot). I was diagnosed eventually by a temp doctor from NZ who was doctor to a rugby team. He knew immediately.

Sure, it wasn't life threatening but I was telling them all what was wrong and they refused point blank to listen to me.

Dravokivich · 23-06-2014 02:47PM

donegal__road wrote: »

Many modern medicines contain herb extracts, or are derived from plants.

An Irish doctor discovered this

Steve Jobs should not have gone alternative for something as serious as pancreatic. At the same time, Id be inclined to throw everything at it.

But you are not talking of medicine. You are talking of Alternative/Holistic remedies, which doesn't go through the kind of testing mentioned in the article you linked. So in essence, that stuff you referenced as Herbs, are weeds. What about the foot rubbing, the staring competitions or even the pinching?

Zubeneschamali · 23-06-2014 02:48PM

donegal__road wrote: »

What I meant to say, I suppose, was that if you feel that conventional doctors are not satisfying your health concerns, dont be afraid to go the hollistic route.

Yes, that's what this woman with undiagnosed cervical cancer needed - herbs and a foot massage would've cleared it right up.

If you don't feel your doctor is satisfying your health concerns, consult another doctor. Keep doing that until you find one who does address your concerns.

Katgurl · 23-06-2014 03:23PM

This story is breaking my heart.

I've been misdiagnosed myself and currently waiting for further results to see how serious things are. The surgeon over-ruled my recommended biopsy and instead I have been on unnecessary hellish treatment for four months before my surgery. It should have then been a straightforward procedure but instead when they cut me open things looked all wrong (malignant). After four days of hell i found out it hasn't spread to my lungs so im not dying but I'm still waiting to find out the next course of action.

What the mother in the article wrote about not being afraid to die but not being ready is unbearably sad and pretty much summed up exactly how I felt in hospital.

23-06-2014 03:30PM

Katgurl wrote: »

This story is breaking my heart.

I've been misdiagnosed myself and currently waiting for further results to see how serious things are. The surgeon over-ruled my recommended biopsy and instead I have been on unnecessary hellish treatment for four months before my surgery. It should have then been a straightforward procedure but instead when they cut me open things looked all wrong (malignant). After four days of hell i found out it hasn't spread to my lungs so im not dying but I'm still waiting to find out the next course of action.

What the mother in the article wrote about not being afraid to die but not being ready is unbearably sad and pretty much summed up exactly how I felt in hospital.

jesus, so sorry to hear that.

obplayer · 23-06-2014 09:03PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Yes, that's what this woman with undiagnosed cervical cancer needed - herbs and a foot massage would've cleared it right up.

If you don't feel your doctor is satisfying your health concerns, consult another doctor. Keep doing that until you find one who does address your concerns.

Sometimes you also have to take some action yourself. When I was suffering from very bad upper leg pains my GP sent me for x-rays, physio checks, blood test etc. All negative according to the hospital. She wanted to do an MRI scan but it would have taken months on the public waiting lists so I went privately. Three days and €200 later I was told I had two fractured hips, potentially life threatening through blood clots.

donegal__road · 23-06-2014 10:04PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

But you are not talking of medicine. You are talking of Alternative/Holistic remedies, which doesn't go through the kind of testing mentioned in the article you linked. So in essence, that stuff you referenced as Herbs, are weeds. What about the foot rubbing, the staring competitions or even the pinching?

can we eat to starve cancer?

well worth a look.

delw · 23-06-2014 10:21PM

obplayer wrote: »

My personal experience is that with GPs you are far better with a woman than a man and I speak as a man. Women listen and they do not seem to have the same need to be the 'important person'.

Agree,my GP's practice is husband & wife.I went to see mr doc in feb 2012 with a cough,was sent off with antibiotics,went back few months later with same cough to see mrs doc,she sent me straight for chest xray because being an ex smoker
Turned out to be 10cm kidney tumor :rolleyes:

Katgurl wrote: »

This story is breaking my heart.

I've been misdiagnosed myself and currently waiting for further results to see how serious things are. The surgeon over-ruled my recommended biopsy and instead I have been on unnecessary hellish treatment for four months before my surgery. It should have then been a straightforward procedure but instead when they cut me open things looked all wrong (malignant). After four days of hell i found out it hasn't spread to my lungs so im not dying but I'm still waiting to find out the next course of action.

What the mother in the article wrote about not being afraid to die but not being ready is unbearably sad and pretty much summed up exactly how I felt in hospital.

Hope things work out for you Katgurl

obplayer · 23-06-2014 10:45PM

donegal__road wrote: »

can we eat to starve cancer?

well worth a look.

That's an excellent video (a TED video) and I have to add that it is actually based on science, like microscopes, statistics, chemical analysis and stuff. Nothing to do with your earlier suggestions of twiddling peoples' feet or getting them to drink shaken water.

donegal__road · 23-06-2014 10:59PM

obplayer wrote: »

That's an excellent video (a TED video) and I have to add that it is actually based on science, like microscopes, statistics, chemical analysis and stuff. Nothing to do with your earlier suggestions of twiddling peoples' feet or getting them to drink shaken water.

you must have mis-read my earlier post. I was not advocating Homeopathy (drinking shaken water as you put it).. I was faulting it, and Reki as legitimate medical practices.

obplayer · 23-06-2014 11:19PM

donegal__road wrote: »

you must have mis-read my earlier post. I was not advocating Homeopathy (drinking shaken water as you put it).. I was faulting it, and Reki as legitimate medical practices.

My apologies for the homeopathy, I misread your post. The twiddling peoples' feet I mentioned was actually referring to reflexology, but in any case I apologise for my clumsy post. The video was first rate and people really should watch it.

Womans ailment misdiagnosed, has 2 months to live.

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