Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

redbaron_99 · 20-06-2014 09:05PM

Quandary wrote: »

Pogba is the hurt that will never go away for us.

I would be shocked if we signed him for any amount of money while Fergie is still involved in the background. It would be a bit of an embarrassment.

It's a killer all right. Just as bad was that Vidal was recommended to fergie and he didn't pursue him.
Remember reading it somewhere. Shocking if true. And it wouldn't surprise me at all.
Strootman. Cabeye. Pogba. Vidal. Modric. So many class midfielders could have been signed.

DM_7 · 20-06-2014 09:06PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

It's a killer all right. Just as bad was that Vidal was recommended to fergie and he didn't pursue him.
Remember reading it somewhere. Shocking if true. And it wouldn't surprise me at all.
Strootman. Cabeye. Pogba. Vidal. Modric. So many class midfielders could have been signed.

We had Pogba so its worse, far worse.

Quandary · 20-06-2014 09:11PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

It's a killer all right. Just as bad was that Vidal was recommended to fergie and he didn't pursue him.
Remember reading it somewhere. Shocking if true. And it wouldn't surprise me at all.
Strootman. Cabeye. Pogba. Vidal. Modric. So many class midfielders could have been signed.

I'm sure every midfielder with huge potential was recommended to Fergie at one point or another and most of them turned out to be average but it's natural to remember and notice the ones that went on to become greats.

Saying that though, there is no doubt that Fergie is almost single handedly the reason our midfield is so bad right now. His inability or unwillingness to sign quality centre midfield players in the last 6 years has come back to absolutely crucify us.

I have high hopes that when LVG ultimately leaves us, our midfield will be a lot healthier

redbaron_99 · 20-06-2014 09:14PM

DM-ICE wrote: »

We had Pogba so its worse, far worse.

You know what I mean. Yeah, it's depressing. In fergie's favour, maybe pogba was being a tit behind the scenes. He does seem to be a bit of a mercenary.

IMHO pogba was poorly treated and fergie lacked the vision he had in his earlier career when he embraced youth.

redbaron_99 · 20-06-2014 09:16PM

Quandary wrote: »

I'm sure every midfielder with huge potential was recommended to Fergie at one point or another and most of them turned out to be average but it's natural to remember and notice the ones that went on to become greats.

Saying that though, there is no doubt that Fergie is almost single handedly the reason our midfield is so bad right now. His inability or unwillingness to sign quality centre midfield players in the last 6 years has come back to absolutely crucify us.

I have high hopes that when LVG ultimately leaves us, our midfield will be a lot healthier

True, it's great to have hindsight and cherry pick the ones that became world beaters
I'd agree though that fergie lost his bottle somewhat when it came to buying midfielders. Was it down to the experience with veron?
But it's damning that he pushed cleverly and chucked out pogba.
*bangs head against phone*

20-06-2014 09:21PM

Pogba and Stam have to be two of Fergies worst moments of judgment as United manager.

FutureGuy · 20-06-2014 09:21PM

We know absolutely nothing about what Pogba was like at United. He could have be a fcuking primadona, his agent might have been a nightmare and SAF might have been teaching a valuable lesson. He's gone, it's almost certain he'll never return - let's move on to someone we can get.

Rayne Wooney · 20-06-2014 09:22PM

I don't see it with Blind tbh

I'd rather Swiss Rodriguez if we can't get Shaw

Whatsisname · 20-06-2014 09:32PM

I'd see Blind more as a CDM than LB, bit too slow for a LB imo

Quandary · 20-06-2014 09:39PM

FutureGuy wrote: »

We know absolutely nothing about what Pogba was like at United. He could have be a fcuking primadona, his agent might have been a nightmare and SAF might have been teaching a valuable lesson. He's gone, it's almost certain he'll never return - let's move on to someone we can get.

That might be true. It might also be true that Fergie's stubbornness and pig headedness was what caused us to lose Pogba. The truth lies somewhere in between most likely.

The fact is we will never know for sure. All we know for sure is that less than 2 years after he left us, Pogba established himself as a mainstay in a vastly superior Juve midfield than what he left at Utd. He is now one of the most valuable young midfielders in world football. Maybe over the coming years Pogba along with his agent will skip from club to club like Anelka did in his youth but right now, it does look like we made a massive mistake.

Bottom line though, like you, I think we will never sign Pogba again.

Iseedeadpixels · 20-06-2014 09:40PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

I'd see Blind more as a CDM than LB, bit too slow for a LB imo

Never seen him before the WC, is he any use as a CM.

kryogen · 20-06-2014 09:47PM

Pretty big news, even if its not exactly the right thread for it!

ENGLAND GET SECOND CHANCE AS REF IS CHARGED WITH MATCH FIXING OFFENCES

http://bbc.com.sundaytimesdaily.com/england-get-second-chance-as-ref-is-charged-with-match-fixing-offences/r/24906

n32 · 20-06-2014 09:51PM

forget everything else, its time for some Valencia one footed magic

Headshot · 20-06-2014 10:07PM

kryogen wrote: »

Pretty big news, even if its not exactly the right thread for it!

http://bbc.com.sundaytimesdaily.com/england-get-second-chance-as-ref-is-charged-with-match-fixing-offences/r/24906

That is brilliant

kryogen · 20-06-2014 10:18PM

Headshot wrote: »

That is brilliant

There is a few of them, one for Suarez too which I stuck in The Others thread. Few of them going around facebook. Some quality

Iseedeadpixels · 20-06-2014 11:25PM

Can we swap Valencia's?

The_Kew_Tour · 20-06-2014 11:28PM

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

Can we swap Valencia's?

Ed would end up buying Valencia in Spain.

Iseedeadpixels · 20-06-2014 11:31PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Ed would end up buying Valencia in Spain.

Grand they have some decent players :pac:

Lord TSC · 21-06-2014 07:34AM

Transfer news round up.

The Metro are reporting Liverpool might line up a bid for Valencia. No, seriously, stop laughing, it's what they said. Maybe we can swap him for Suarez. :pac:

The Buttner brothers are apparently in Moscow ahead of a move to Russia. Dinamo Moscow seems the likely destination for our Alex, and surely his departure will herald the arrival of a new LB soon.

Apparently LVG has banned the Dutch players from negotiations about their futures until the team get booted from the WC (or win it, I guess). He doesn't want any distractions for them. If other managers are taking this attitude too, it shows why the market is stagnant at the moment....

Saucy McKetchup · 21-06-2014 07:37AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Apparently LVG has banned the Dutch players from negotiations about their futures until the team get booted from the WC (or win it, I guess). He doesn't want any distractions for them. If other managers are taking this attitude too, it shows why the market is stagnant at the moment....

Does that mean we can get the Shaw deal done today:pac:

Zico · 21-06-2014 07:40AM

Whatsisname wrote: »

I'd see Blind more as a CDM than LB, bit too slow for a LB imo

I can't see Blind at all.:(

glued · 21-06-2014 07:54AM

I can't see Blind becoming a Man Utd player.

DARK-KNIGHT · 21-06-2014 08:34AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Pogba and Stam have to be two of Fergies worst moments of judgment as United manager.

djemba-djemba, kleberson, young, bebe, veron, taibi the list could go on and on....

i am so excited about van gaal tbh

NTMK · 21-06-2014 08:43AM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

djemba-djemba, kleberson, young, bebe, veron, taibi the list could go on and on....

i am so excited about van gaal tbh

id rather **** up on buying bad players than to lose top players

you can get rid of the bad ones but you very rarely get the good ones back

Larry Wildman · 21-06-2014 08:52AM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

djemba-djemba, kleberson, young, bebe, veron, taibi the list could go on and on....

It's wrong to include Veron on that list. He was world class. It just didn't work out.

Technophobe · 21-06-2014 08:53AM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

djemba-djemba, kleberson, young, bebe, veron, taibi the list could go on and on....

i am so excited about van gaal tbh

There were plenty of good ones too.... And your post makes it sounds like you regarded Fergie as some sort of failure...

DARK-KNIGHT · 21-06-2014 09:03AM

Technophobe wrote: »

There were plenty of good ones too.... And your post makes it sounds like you regarded Fergie as some sort of failure...

do you read into all posts in the same manner? all i was saying was we had plenty of poor signings. i never said or made out fergie was a failure now dont be so dramatic and wind your neck in

DARK-KNIGHT · 21-06-2014 09:04AM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

It's wrong to include Veron on that list. He was world class. It just didn't work out.

yup he was world class defo but it ended up being a poor signing.

Larry Wildman · 21-06-2014 09:07AM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

yup he was world class defo but it ended up being a poor signing.

Getting £15m from Chelsea for him was good business to be fair.

It just doesn't sit right because most of the other guys on that list were / are bad players.

I mean, FFS, Juan Sebastien Veron was captain of Argentina. "Homeless World Cup Star" Bebe seems to have been a series of bribes dressed up as a transfer.

DARK-KNIGHT · 21-06-2014 09:11AM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Getting £15m from Chelsea for him was good business to be fair.

It just doesn't sit right because most of the other guys on that list were / are bad players.

it simply ended a poor transfer dealing ie didnt work out. in no way am i taking from fergie the man is and was an inspirational football genius

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