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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

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  • #1142
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    larrymiller wrote: »
    Suarez is some player

    He is, and he added millions on to his transfer valuation last night!Liverpool fans may worry about Real Madrid or Barcelona putting in a bid now!


  • #1143
    larrymiller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭larrymiller


    zorro2566 wrote: »
    He is, and he added millions on to his transfer valuation last night!Liverpool fans may worry about Real Madrid or Barcelona putting in a bid now!

    Worrying about along time before last night.
    Last night he just done what he does


  • #1144
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,937 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    KH25 wrote: »
    If we do play 5-3-2 I can see Valencia being used as RB. Can't see any other way to fit him in considering his new deal.

    there was some rumours of a new deal, but ive seen nothing official or in the papers. a quick google search returns nothing on him signing a new deal.


  • #1145
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Crimson King wrote: »
    Heard that myself Mitch, which is why I am in two minds about how well I want the Dutch to do.

    On the plus side of England's collapse, perhaps the Shaw deal will be finalised sooner. Players will take a break I am sure.


    Shaws involvement is very much a non factor at this stage. I would have imagined, like any footballer does over the summer if away on int duty, has had a discussion with their agent, has indicated his desires and intentions, and confirmed a number of scenarios in terms of accepting or rejecting.

    Agent will be dealing with this, the issue looks very much in relation to Southampton and their new manager, and possibly putting on a front for the fans that they wont sell their best players.

    The chairman is being pretty bullish, we are probably going to be robbed moneywise for Shaw, and wouldn't be suprised if it carries on.

    The only way to expadite this situation is Shaw handing in a tranfer request, as I believe Lovren has done. No club can hang onto a player who has formally asked to leave, its a rare situation.

    Although it does look like Southampton hold al lthe cards here. They have hot property everyone wants a piece of, and can take clubs to the cleaners for their players.

    I'd be lyig if I said I was easy with 30m for Shaw, and I believe that will probably go higher before the deal is done. Sorry but an 18 year old with one season of PL football, especially a defender, is nothing in the realm of 30m. Regardless of "one for the future" and all the craic.

    I think if the club are smart they can play Shaw here( like so many have played us) and indicate to Shaw's agent that the coach is actually considering Blind, as he is a cheaper option financially to the club and has worked with the manager. Time for Woodward to learn how to play dirty.

    Southampton playing a dangerous game imo. The chairman is playing billy big bollox holding out for top fees, if it puts clubs off and those players fail to hold that level next year, their value will plummet and never hit the height of NOW again. Lallana is someone who I think Southampton should be selling and gaining the top price. Wouldn't be shocked to see him have an average - poor season next year.


  • #1146
    MagicIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,902 ✭✭✭MagicIRL


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    there was some rumours of a new deal, but ive seen nothing official or in the papers. a quick google search returns nothing on him signing a new deal.

    BBC's Gossip column has Liverpool interested in our Tony V!


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  • #1147
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Exclude Januzaj, the rest of the wingers are in serious trouble, they don't score enough goals, injury prone or simply not good enough.

    Wouldn't be surprised to see two wingers signed who are on the prolific goal scoring and goal assist side of things.

    As I posted earlier in this thread, United conceded the exact same number of league goals last season but scored 25% less goals.
    Overly dependent on RVP and Rooney.
    Mata was coming good scoring wise when he settled in.

    Need prolific wingers and midfielders who score, Carrick, Cleverley, Fletcher are very poor in front of goal, we need to sign goalscorers.
    Coleman instead of Rafael for example.

    It was the goal scoring problem that cost United and Moyes last season.
    Last season and the season before 43 goals conceded for each.
    Went from the mid 80s in goals scored in 12/13 season to mid 60s for 13/14 season.
    The wingers need to be sold and midfield finally fixed.
    Get the right players and United can score more than mid 80s league goals.

    I would be optimistic United can challenge for the title next season with the right signings.
    Just buy proven consistent quality.


  • #1148
    KH25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,209 ✭✭✭KH25


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    there was some rumours of a new deal, but ive seen nothing official or in the papers. a quick google search returns nothing on him signing a new deal.

    Ah, my mistake then. I didn't read too much into it at the time so I just assumed it had happening. Won't lie, it pleases me to hear that he hasn't actually been offered a new deal. He has offered nothing in the last 2 years and looks lost in crossing and shooting positions.


  • #1149
    NTMK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭NTMK


    bangkok wrote: »
    evra gets hard time bout his defending.. anyone notice baines "defending" for suarez first goal last night??

    that would be jagielka's fault as he was the one tracking suarez and he was the one that kept suarez onside baines was never in a position to defend that cross


  • #1150
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    larrymiller wrote: »
    Worrying about along time before last night.
    Last night he just done what he does

    Yes, but with the world watching!


  • #1151
    newballsplease
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭newballsplease


    A world class player like Suarez deserves to be at a world class club, hence why id imagine Real will bid and liverpool will jave no choice but to sell.


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  • #1152
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    A few of you seem to have gotten lost on the way here, here or here. :confused:


  • #1153
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    NTMK wrote: »
    that would be jagielka's fault as he was the one tracking suarez and he was the one that kept suarez onside baines was never in a position to defend that cross

    exactly, he was never in position was pointed out last night on tv as well, he is the left back looking straight at suarez, he should have been in the covering position. you can bet Ashley cole would have been


  • #1154
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    I wonder who wants and how we can get rid of Ashley Young.

    United would have to pay compensation for him to move elsewhere and be paid less.


  • #1155
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    Robson99 wrote: »
    Not a hope in hell that the above team will be what he plays or is anywhere near good enough to win a league imo. There are faster pub teams than the above. And no width. LVG likes pace and width. You wont get that with Mata, Kawaga, Rooney , Strootman and RVP in the one team


    He has played similar for Holland, if you move the ball quick enough you don't always need blistering pace. Anyway as I've said we'll need two quality wing backs to give us width


  • #1156
    Crimson King
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭Crimson King


    RobertKK wrote: »
    I wonder who wants and how we can get rid of Ashley Young.

    United would have to pay compensation for him to move elsewhere and be paid less.

    This is an issue I feel, with two years left on his contract he is liable for another £12M in wages over the next two seasons. Whilst he can still do a ob for someone he will not drop wages so we would have to supplement wages to a team who are wiling to take him. So do we keep him and hope LVG will get some return from him?


  • #1157
    bullvine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭bullvine


    I think we should be thankful that we didn't manage to blow another 20m on Baines last summer


  • #1158
    IgnatiousReily
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8 ✭IgnatiousReily


    RobertKK wrote: »
    I wonder who wants and how we can get rid of Ashley Young.

    United would have to pay compensation for him to move elsewhere and be paid less.
    It will be a deal similar to the one that Utd and Fulham struck for Berbatov where they paid an even split of his wages.

    How Ferguson and Gill consented to giving Young that much is appalling.


  • #1159
    bmcc10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭bmcc10


    RobertKK wrote: »
    I wonder who wants and how we can get rid of Ashley Young.

    United would have to pay compensation for him to move elsewhere and be paid less.

    Perhaps Harry might fancy a punt with QPR, Even looking at his name now bothers me.


  • #1160
    v3ttel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭v3ttel


    bangkok wrote: »
    evra gets hard time bout his defending.. anyone notice baines "defending" for suarez first goal last night??

    I know this is not the place to go into, but screw it. Why are you regurgitating the ridiculous analysis of the RTE panel? Baines was not at fault for that goal. Not even f*cking close. There were two clear sources:

    - Jagielka was not touch tight to Suarez. A simple piece of movement bought him the 1-2 yards he needed. That is Jagielka's fault. If, as a CB, you lose a world class striker inside the box, that is the real source of bad defending.

    - Why was Cavani allowed to get the cross in, in the first place? Again, a world class player with time and space.

    Put it a different way. If Baines was "on the cover", Rodriguez would have had about 15 yards of space in which to pick out a cross from the right handside. If Cavani picks him out, as is likely to happen, then Rodriguez swings in a cross, and Jagielka lost Suarez in a similar fashion, Baines would have been criticised for leaving the right winger with a crazy amount of time & space. Baines can only be in a covering position for the center back, if the left midfielder has covered Baines man.

    He defended correctly given the situation he was in. To blame him not being able to make up for other peoples ropey defending is a joke.


  • #1161
    Zico
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭Zico


    You may as well throw darts at a team photo to identify players at fault for England losing last night. Baines wasn't any worse than Glen Johnson, though that's not much of a compliment.


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  • #1162
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,937 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Zico wrote: »
    You may as well throw darts at a team photo to identify players at fault for England losing last night. Baines wasn't any worse than Glen Johnson, though that's not much of a compliment.

    Thought at the time henderson should have put more effort into getting back (he jogged) - had he actually ran he would have been in position to more effectively close Cavani, as it was he got close, but not close enough.


  • #1163
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    v3ttel wrote: »
    I know this is not the place to go into, but screw it. Why are you regurgitating the ridiculous analysis of the RTE panel? Baines was not at fault for that goal. Not even f*cking close. There were two clear sources:

    - Jagielka was not touch tight to Suarez. A simple piece of movement bought him the 1-2 yards he needed. That is Jagielka's fault. If, as a CB, you lose a world class striker inside the box, that is the real source of bad defending.

    - Why was Cavani allowed to get the cross in, in the first place? Again, a world class player with time and space.

    Put it a different way. If Baines was "on the cover", Rodriguez would have had about 15 yards of space in which to pick out a cross from the right handside. If Cavani picks him out, as is likely to happen, then Rodriguez swings in a cross, and Jagielka lost Suarez in a similar fashion, Baines would have been criticised for leaving the right winger with a crazy amount of time & space. Baines can only be in a covering position for the center back, if the left midfielder has covered Baines man.

    He defended correctly given the situation he was in. To blame him not being able to make up for other peoples ropey defending is a joke.

    but baines jogged back???!!! if he had of sprinted he would have had a simple header to clear. against Italy as well he was all over the shop, not in correct position load of times, just because he plays for everton you don't see much of this but im delighted united never signed him


  • #1164
    v3ttel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭v3ttel


    bangkok wrote: »
    but baines jogged back???!!! if he had of sprinted he would have had a simple header to clear.

    This is incoherent drivel. Did you read my post? Which part of it do you disagree with?
    bangkok wrote: »
    just because he plays for everton you don't see much of this

    What?


  • #1165
    bullvine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭bullvine


    Whats the crack with Zaha? Seems like a signing on a par with Bebe in some ways. Fergie obviously sanctioned the signing in the January when according to him he had decided at Christmas he was leaving at the end of the season. Is it not a bit strange to buy a player for quite a lot of money when he knew he wouldn't be there to use him.


  • #1166
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    they don't highlight much of evertons defending as they are not considered a top team.... if baines played for united every single one of his performances would be analysed to the ground, he gets an easy time at everton, evra is not as bad as everyone makes out.

    and Suarez's movement was just him running into space that was left unoccupied by baines and if he had of sprinting back he would have made a simple headed clearence


  • #1167
    bren2001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,860 ✭✭✭bren2001


    bangkok wrote: »
    they don't highlight much of evertons defending as they are not considered a top team.... if baines played for united every single one of his performances would be analysed to the ground, he gets an easy time at everton, evra is not as bad as everyone makes out.

    and Suarez's movement was just him running into space that was left unoccupied by baines and if he had of sprinting back he would have made a simple headed clearence

    Baines is a poor defender, nobody here is going to argue that. Most people are glad we didn't splash out 20m on him. He is good going forward and has a very good set piece. Saying that, he doesn't play for United so why would we discuss him here? He is not a transfer target. I don't personally think he did too much wrong last night. He is not getting grilled because Jagielka did so badly for the first goal, should Baines have been in a better position? It doesn't matter, Jagielka should not have been caught out.

    Evra is just as bad defensively. I really don't get your Evra love. He has cost us several goals this season and is not fit to play at the highest level week in week out anymore. He is a great servant to the club. He still has something to offer in experience to whatever LB comes in this summer.

    There was nothing spectacular about Suarez's movement, it was pretty ordinary. But he made the run, created a yard of space and scored. Nobody is saying it was a great goal. It was awful from Jagielka. His second was a good finish.


  • #1168
    Thecon21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Thecon21


    bangkok wrote: »
    they don't highlight much of evertons defending as they are not considered a top team.... if baines played for united every single one of his performances would be analysed to the ground, he gets an easy time at everton, evra is not as bad as everyone makes out.

    and Suarez's movement was just him running into space that was left unoccupied by baines and if he had of sprinting back he would have made a simple headed clearence

    Are you saying that Suarez's first goal was Baines' fault? :confused:

    EDIT: What Bren said ^


  • #1169
    beakerjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,043 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Thecon21 wrote: »
    Are you saying that Suarez's first goal was Baines' fault? :confused:

    EDIT: What Bren said ^

    Yeah What Bren said. Couldnt agree with him more.


  • #1170
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    Thecon21 wrote: »
    Are you saying that Suarez's first goal was Baines' fault? :confused:

    EDIT: What Bren said ^

    no not his fault but he played his part in it along with gerrard for losing the ball, Johnson for not closing down cavani quicker, jagielka for losing his man and baines for not sweeping around and sprinting back into position which suarez exploited


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  • #1171
    Vic Vinegar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭Vic Vinegar


    TINY bit of hope here maybe...
    Arturo Vidal has admitted that he does not know whether he will be staying at Juventus.

    The 27-year-old Chile international is currently enjoying a starring role at the World Cup finals with his country.

    Reports in Spain and Italy claim that Real Madrid are set to make an approach to Juventus over the midfielder's signature.

    The 27-year-old - who has also been linked with Manchester United - admits he is unsure as to what the future holds.

    "Will I stay at Juventus? I do not know," he told Sky Italia.

    "I just think about the World Cup and the national team now.

    "After the World Cup we will see what will be my future."

    Vidal joined Juventus from Bayer Leverkusen in 2011.


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