Child Benifit idea - Could save Millions

AnonoBoy · 20-06-2014 12:35PM

Personally I think we should euthanise everyone once they hit 30.

It's not the childers that are ruining the country, it's us old people.

No more pensions to pay out, we could quadruple child benefit and we'd get loads of cash by selling off the organs.

galah · 20-06-2014 12:38PM

You do realise that most 'foreign' parents (that is, foreign born mothers) living here will get a letter every few months asking to confirm that they're still in the country, providing details of their kids school and/or GP?! If you don't send the letter back within a few weeks, the dept stops payment. I get this letter every three months or so, despite an Irish husband, a permanent job and a mortgage...

So govmnt is one step ahead, for once.

Uepped · 20-06-2014 12:38PM

silly wrote: »

Stupid idea - where would I get the time to collect it when both myself and my husband work full time.....

Lunchtime ? before or after work ? Saturday ?

ted1 · 20-06-2014 12:38PM

The Princess Bride wrote: »

It would be better to get rid of it altogether- don't have children if you can't afford them.Stop expecting the tax payer to fund your family.

Phase it in gradually.No benefit for newborns from January 2016.
That'd give folk enough time to sort out their contraception.

these kids that you don't want people to have will be paying your pension. fewer kids = reduced pensions.

There is always a bigger picture.

Gannicus · 20-06-2014 12:40PM

Uepped wrote: »

I have an idea about child benifit that could save millions, Remove the option of paying it into a bank account and make all recipints collect it at their local post office with their welfare card. That way people who arn't even living in the country couldn't reseive it and rich yummy mummys who don't need it would probably be too embarresed to que in the po to collect it.

It might not be a bad idea to have those who are on the welfare do that. Even better would be to have a letter fro the school each year stating their child is enrolled in it and that they have attended the school a sufficient number of days to prove they are in fact in the country.

vitani · 20-06-2014 12:41PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Amazing with the technology we have to tax everything,the 100,000+ euro a year civil servants throw their hands up in defeat year after year when it comes to taxing child benefit of very high earners like themselves

I'm on a low salary but I don't begrudge high earners getting child benefit. They pay the majority of tax in the country and this is the only payment back that some of them get.

galah · 20-06-2014 12:42PM

Gannicus wrote: »

It might not be a bad idea to have those who are on the welfare do that. Even better would be to have a letter fro the school each year stating their child is enrolled in it and that they have attended the school a sufficient number of days to prove they are in fact in the country.

See my post above. They do that already, asking parents to confirm they're still here.

20-06-2014 12:43PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Personally I think we should euthanise everyone once they hit 30.

It's not the childers that are ruining the country, it's us old people.

No more pensions to pay out, we could quadruple child benefit and we'd get loads of cash by selling off the organs.

Selective euthanizing maybe? Think of the long term savings! Child benefit is €130 per child a month I think? The dole is €188 per week. Euthanize those who've never worked or contributed to the exchequer, leaving the rest of the hard working population to continue populating the country until there's a time when people who've never worked or never have any intention of working have been made extinct.

Barely There · 20-06-2014 12:44PM

TBH I prefer the current situation.
The money gets paid every month into myself and my wife's joint account.

We both have good jobs and don't really need the CB payment, so I like to widthdraw it as €20 notes and use them to light cigars.

For Forks Sake · 20-06-2014 12:45PM

whupdedo wrote: »

So if someone who pays taxes and contributes to the system earns more than allowed, they would have the child support cut off for their children.

But, if someone who has never worked, is claiming the dole and is in receipt of social housing. rent allowance, free furniture bedding etc etc they should still get child support,

it doesn't seem very fair to me to pay the more unproductive members of society to have children, and all the while penalising the productive members for daring to have a good job and kids

They're not unproductive, they're 'de most vulnerable members of society' dontcha know :rolleyes:

Gannicus · 20-06-2014 12:47PM

Sitting here and the lad beside me in work said it should be capped at 2 children unless you're working.

I think that may be harsh and its a bit to close to eugenics for me but it would stop a lot of people having kids to receive more benefits

AnonoBoy · 20-06-2014 12:48PM

Uepped wrote: »

Lunchtime ? before or after work ? Saturday ?

I don't work near a post office. I go to work before the post office opens and finish after it closes.

So I should give up every Saturday to drive half an hour to the local post office to pick it up, yeah?

Great idea dude - you should run for election with that level of thinking!

van_beano · 20-06-2014 12:50PM

Centra will suffer due to everyone waiting at the Post Office!

Bepolite · 20-06-2014 12:52PM

Here's an idea. Stop paying it full-stop and don't push out sprogs you can't afford.

Reformed Character · 20-06-2014 12:53PM

Uepped wrote: »

I have an idea about child benifit that could save millions, Remove the option of paying it into a bank account and make all recipints collect it at their local post office with their welfare card. That way people who arn't even living in the country couldn't reseive it and rich yummy mummys who don't need it would probably be too embarresed to que in the po to collect it.

Where is your evidence it would save Millions?

The Princess Bride · 20-06-2014 12:54PM

ted1 wrote: »

these kids that you don't want people to have will be paying your pension. fewer kids = reduced pensions.

There is always a bigger picture.

Am quite sure that a lot of them- like their parents and grandparents before them- will never work or pay taxes, therefore, will not be paying my pension.

Bottom line- Have children if you want to have them, if you can afford to rear and educate them.But don't expect others to fund your family for you.

kippy · 20-06-2014 12:55PM

jimgoose wrote: »

It would be a vastly better idea to stop paying it to people who don't need it. It should be means-tested.

For the people who think it should be means tested.
How exactly should it be means tested?
What limits are you setting?

jester77 · 20-06-2014 12:56PM

They shouldn't pay it out in cash, it would be better if the money was actually used for the children. Allocate the money to subsidise creches, school uniforms, school lunches, school books, school transport and so on. The rich don't need the cash and a lot of the poor use it for things that are not child related.

Ray Palmer · 20-06-2014 12:56PM

jimgoose wrote: »

It would be a vastly better idea to stop paying it to people who don't need it. It should be means-tested.

It is expensive to means test and administrate. There is also the fact if you means test it that makes people disadvantaged by working. Effectively you would be making those paying tax to fund it unable to receive it.

Not exactly a fair way to do things.

popolive · 20-06-2014 12:57PM

I have an even better idea to reduce child benefit payments. Why is there VAT on condoms ? They save lives too. They try to hit people with moral judgement by calling other taxes 'luxury taxes' then they go tax something rather necessary. Where are young teens and the unemployed (people in no financial position to have kids) who are subject to huge mind altering stresses from puberty (and are not under control of their parents or anything else) supposed to get money from for condoms ?

Gannicus · 20-06-2014 12:57PM

I was thinking there and it should be completely stopped and diverted to the school systems to ensure every child gets a decent lunch, uniforms and books and equipment every year. Soo many kids go without books lunches and equipment around this country it would be nice to see them all get an even shot at an education to try and break the fold.

I still despise the way childrens allowance day is seen as a chance to go on the pissed (at least in my local area)

popolive · 20-06-2014 01:04PM

Gannicus wrote: »

I was thinking there and it should be completely stopped and diverted to the school systems to ensure every child gets a decent lunch, uniforms and books and equipment every year. Soo many kids go without books lunches and equipment around this country it would be nice to see them all get an even shot at an education to try and break the fold.

I still despise the way childrens allowance day is seen as a chance to go on the pissed (at least in my local area)

I think that is a good idea if it ensures the kids themselves get good or even better value for the cash and would definitely ensure that the money was not spent abroad or claimed by those abroad thereby killing two birds with one stone (people who blame the EU for the flow of funds abroad). It would also reduce admin costs of checking up on parents.

Bepolite · 20-06-2014 01:09PM

sbsquarepants · 20-06-2014 01:17PM

Uepped wrote: »

I have an idea about child benifit that could save millions, Remove the option of paying it into a bank account and make all recipints collect it at their local post office with their welfare card. That way people who arn't even living in the country couldn't reseive it and rich yummy mummys who don't need it would probably be too embarresed to que in the po to collect it.

You're right, it could save the state millions - if that was how it worked. It falls on 3 main points

1. Not everyone who collects child benefit is on welfare
2. It would massively inconvenience all working people who receive it.
3. It's stupid.

But apart from that.....

van_beano · 20-06-2014 01:17PM

Bepolite wrote: »

Fantastic film!

Spring Onion · 20-06-2014 01:28PM

jimgoose wrote: »

It would be a vastly better idea to stop paying it to people who don't need it. It should be means-tested.

Joan Burton moaned about this for years!
And as soon as she got to power, she said she would look at it.
Utterly useless.

Grand Moff Tarkin · 20-06-2014 01:33PM

The Princess Bride wrote: »

It would be better to get rid of it altogether- don't have children if you can't afford them.Stop expecting the tax payer to fund your family.

Phase it in gradually.No benefit for newborns from January 2016.
That'd give folk enough time to sort out their contraception.

Got many kids yourself?

20-06-2014 02:07PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

1. Not everyone who collects child benefit is on welfare

Child benefit is welfare.
http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Child-Benefit---SW-42.aspx

Gannicus · 20-06-2014 02:07PM

popolive wrote: »

I think that is a good idea if it ensures the kids themselves get good or even better value for the cash and would definitely ensure that the money was not spent abroad or claimed by those abroad thereby killing two birds with one stone (people who blame the EU for the flow of funds abroad). It would also reduce admin costs of checking up on parents.

Cheers. I grew up in an area that used to be classed as under privileged and we had kids who couldn't afford books or lunch or both. Luckily my parents managed to break the fold for myself and sisters but I never realized what was going on until I was older. At least if it was done through the schools you could better guarantee the kids had proper school equipment and uniforms etc and they got at least one decent and healthy meal a day.

vitani · 20-06-2014 02:11PM

Gannicus wrote: »

I was thinking there and it should be completely stopped and diverted to the school systems to ensure every child gets a decent lunch, uniforms and books and equipment every year. Soo many kids go without books lunches and equipment around this country it would be nice to see them all get an even shot at an education to try and break the fold.

I still despise the way childrens allowance day is seen as a chance to go on the pissed (at least in my local area)

It's a good idea but I could see that budget being hacked at over and over again whenever there's costs to be cut. The government don't like touching Child Benefit because there's uproar from the public when they do, but despite people's best efforts at protesting, they continue to make cuts in education.

Child Benifit idea - Could save Millions

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