Unpopular GAA opinions you hold

Chilli Con Kearney · 18-06-2014 07:38AM

The GAA (particularly) football has player and fan discipline issues which it refuses to face up to.

adrian522 · 18-06-2014 07:39AM

Club fixtures should go ahead any weekend the county team is not in action. Inter County mamagers should have no power to veto club fixtures going ahead.

Not sure how unpopular that is, but club championships should all be completed by late September/Early October.

BUNK1982 · 18-06-2014 08:19AM

Chilli Con Kearney wrote: »

The GAA (particularly) football has player and fan discipline issues which it refuses to face up to.

Players and fans are wound up so tightly before games it's bound to manifest itself somehow - but then again this is part of what makes for the blood and thunder people like about the GAA in the first place.

Prop Joe · 18-06-2014 09:04AM

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Either a two or three tiered system, 3 groups of 11 or 16/15.

Run it from March to August, each team is guaranteed 10 championship games at least, have 2/3 promoted relegated each year.

Give me an argument against that that has nothing to do with tradition and I'll get back to you.

Who will attend these games? The Irish public want knock out competitions.A League based championship i would guess does not excite anyone

AugustusMinimus · 18-06-2014 09:19AM

The sway that Frank Murphy holds over the GAA at large is vastly over rated. People accusing him of being able to cherry pick refs for Cork and all sorts of stuff. Tin foil hat stuff.

harpsman · 18-06-2014 11:53AM

Jake Rugby Walrus666 wrote: »

There was one, what you might call a rugby tackle, under the hogan stand in midfield. After that the Dublin challenges were robust but nothing out of the ordinary. Mayo were quite happy to play for frees at that stage. And then fell between stools not knowing to go for goal or points.

Also can you link to quote of Gavin claiming higher moral ground for Dublin. Playing the game the right way means attack football versus blanket defence.

Well there was a fair bit of deliberate fouling/pulling players down.
Alot of people would say playing the game the right way means not cheating or biting your opponents, or kicking the Gooch in the head.

harpsman · 18-06-2014 12:06PM

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Either a two or three tiered system, 3 groups of 11 or 16/15.

Run it from March to August, each team is guaranteed 10 championship games at least, have 2/3 promoted relegated each year.

Give me an argument against that that has nothing to do with tradition and I'll get back to you.

So converting the championship to a league system,obviously getting rid of current league.

Just one trophy to play for each year?

Would there still be an All Ireland final?

Its difficult to give an argument against something thats so poorly explained.

Prop Joe · 18-06-2014 12:24PM

harpsman wrote: »

So converting the championship to a league system,obviously getting rid of current league.

Just one trophy to play for each year?

Would there still be an All Ireland final?

Its difficult to give an argument against something thats so poorly explained.

I would much rather an open draw 32 with final 4 meeting beaten provincial finalists in last round.

Anyone who doubles up receives a bye to QF.

Every team could win an All Ireland in 6 games

Would increase importance of provincial championships as some big guns could go early in the open draw which would remove there safety net in the provincial.

Would love to see the Championship kick off with games like

Kerry v Tyrone
Dublin v Donegal
Monaghan v Mayo
Cork v Derry

Imagine a Munster champ Semi Final between Kerry v Cork with both teams gone in the "Backdoor"

DDC1990 · 18-06-2014 02:07PM

DDC1990 wrote: »

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What the fúck? I didn't post this?

ciarriaithuaidh · 18-06-2014 02:24PM

Prop Joe wrote: »

I would much rather an open draw 32 with final 4 meeting beaten provincial finalists in last round.

Anyone who doubles up receives a bye to QF.

Every team could win an All Ireland in 6 games

Would increase importance of provincial championships as some big guns could go early in the open draw which would remove there safety net in the provincial.

Would love to see the Championship kick off with games like

Kerry v Tyrone
Dublin v Donegal
Monaghan v Mayo
Cork v Derry

Imagine a Munster champ Semi Final between Kerry v Cork with both teams gone in the "Backdoor"

A 33 county open draw knockout you mean? With a provincial championship also knockout?
That's almost worse than the current system..you want teams to train for 6 months for 70 minutes of All Ireland championship action? Do people even realise what a f*cked up ratio of training/meaningful games this is? There is no equivalent in any sport that I know of.

What is wrong with the following:

3 groups of 11, with promotion/relegation from each group, 2/3 up and down.

Run the provincial championship, starting after round 5 or 6 of games.

Top 4 in division 1 go through to AI 1/4 finals. 5th and 6th in Division 1, Top 2 in division 2, and 4 provincial winners (8 teams) play off for 4 spots in 1/4 finals. (If there is an overlap here then the provincial runners-up or next highest placed league team get a spot.)

Every single team is guaranteed 10 decent games against opposition of a similar level. Every team has a chance of winning provincial honours which will still be important in overall championship, every team has a chance to progress up the ranks.

This is a rough description only and is based on the recommendations by the committee that Colm O'Rourke was on a few years ago. I think it could work and to me, it seems a damn sight better than the current mess or straight knockout or champions league style formats.

MacBizzle · 18-06-2014 02:31PM

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

..you want teams to train for 6 months for 70 minutes of All Ireland championship action? Do people even realise what a f*cked up ratio of training/meaningful games this is? There is no equivalent in any sport that I know of.

Boxing maybe? UFC? Certainly as amateurs the inter-county players put in a ridiculous amount of work for so few minutes in action.

Mal-Adjusted · 18-06-2014 02:45PM

I disagree with that system, but in saying that, will the players not still have full fixtures of league as well as club games? hardly training all year for 70-odd minutes. Though obviously the championship is far bigger than those two mentioned

Prop Joe · 18-06-2014 03:07PM

What i would suggest is 32 counties go into an open draw down to the last 4.

Concurringly the provincials would run

The final 4 of the open draw would play the 4 beaten provincial finalists

(Any team that doubles up would get a bye)

The 4 winners would play the 4 provincial winners in the AI QF

(Any team that doubles up would get a bye)

Every county can win the All Ireland in 6 games

The only team that could recieve a bye in the QF is a team that would have to progress through the open draw unbeaten and win their provence

This is a hugely fairer and more scheduled championship with far more scope for playing club games between Inter county games

Amprodude · 18-06-2014 08:38PM

Joe Deane had one of the nicest touches of the ball in the 2000's.

harpsman · 18-06-2014 08:44PM

DDC1990 wrote: »

What the fúck? I didn't post this?

Looks like the type of sh1t you would post:)

harpsman · 18-06-2014 08:51PM

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

A 33 county open draw knockout you mean? With a provincial championship also knockout?
That's almost worse than the current system..you want teams to train for 6 months for 70 minutes of All Ireland championship action? Do people even realise what a f*cked up ratio of training/meaningful games this is? There is no equivalent in any sport that I know of.

What is wrong with the following:

3 groups of 11, with promotion/relegation from each group, 2/3 up and down.

Run the provincial championship, starting after round 5 or 6 of games.

Top 4 in division 1 go through to AI 1/4 finals. 5th and 6th in Division 1, Top 2 in division 2, and 4 provincial winners (8 teams) play off for 4 spots in 1/4 finals. (If there is an overlap here then the provincial runners-up or next highest placed league team get a spot.)

Every single team is guaranteed 10 decent games against opposition of a similar level. Every team has a chance of winning provincial honours which will still be important in overall championship, every team has a chance to progress up the ranks.

This is a rough description only and is based on the recommendations by the committee that Colm O'Rourke was on a few years ago. I think it could work and to me, it seems a damn sight better than the current mess or straight knockout or champions league style formats.

well at least youve explained it a bit more. sure, this has alot going for it, but it still gives Mayo,cork and kerry a massive advantage.
And Id say its no less messy than current system which is as fair as you ll get while retaining rovincial championships.

harpsman · 18-06-2014 08:54PM

adrian522 wrote: »

Club fixtures should go ahead any weekend the county team is not in action. Inter County mamagers should have no power to veto club fixtures going ahead.

Not sure how unpopular that is, but club championships should all be completed by late September/Early October.

Agree fully. there should be a master fixture list incorporating all cluba nd county fixtures, staring in February and finishing with club final on oct bank holiday w/e. The idea of postponing your club championship til after your county is out is insane. The one caveat would be that all knockout fixtures would have to be decided on the day, so hello penalty shootouts:rolleyes:

Deedsie · 18-06-2014 08:55PM

I dont think the GAA should continue playing Amhrán na Bhfiann before every game... I think before final matches would be plenty.

Every effort should be made to finish Hill16/Dineen end to the same specification as the canal end.

Amprodude · 18-06-2014 08:59PM

There should be a buzzer to end game and not the ref calling the time.

MacBizzle · 18-06-2014 09:09PM

Deedsie wrote: »

Every effort should be made to finish Hill16/Dineen end to the same specification as the canal end.

Apparently this is 100% impossible due to the houses behind Hill 16.

klairondavis · 18-06-2014 09:12PM

MacBizzle wrote: »

Apparently this is 100% impossible due to the houses behind Hill 16.

The Sligo railway line doesn't help either.

yourmanthere · 18-06-2014 09:17PM

limerick dont actually play hurling. they just go out and fight for the ball with their sticks for 70 mins and sometimes give the ball to dowling who can score.

ciarriaithuaidh · 19-06-2014 12:45AM

harpsman wrote: »

well at least youve explained it a bit more. sure, this has alot going for it, but it still gives Mayo,cork and kerry a massive advantage.
And Id say its no less messy than current system which is as fair as you ll get while retaining rovincial championships.

The current system expects counties like Carlow, Leitrim and many more to have competitive teams playing against the likes of Mayo and Dublin in the championship (which takes months of training and preparation) and they usually get 140 minutes of championship game time. How can you not see that this is mental and is not going to lead to anything but these county's going backwards and not forwards?

Do you not agree that if these teams had 10-12 competitive games against teams close to their own level in a season, including a shot at the provincial championship, they would be more motivated and more than likely improve? They would get the opportunity to go up against big guns in their province so not would be able to measure their improvement also.

The current system is simply not a runner long-term in my view. All provincial football championships are now weak and added to that is the ridiculous gaps between games some teams experience, which in turn holds up club games in many counties also..the whole system needs to be changed, but people, even if they acknowledge this are very slow to implement or support change.

I've gone off the general theme of the thread here, so apologies..just got into the train of thought.

Amprodude · 19-06-2014 06:40AM

Clares All Ireland hurling team of 2013 were a bit overrated.

Deedsie · 19-06-2014 08:29AM

MacBizzle wrote: »

Apparently this is 100% impossible due to the houses behind Hill 16.

klairondavis wrote: »

The Sligo railway line doesn't help either.

Buy the remaining required houses off the residents. No matter how long it takes. The rail line could surely be tunnelled and a stand built over it? From an engineering point of view it can't be the most conplex project? They did it at Lansdowne Road with the Dart line?

I just want the GAA to have it as an ongoing process and not just accept that the current situation is the end of it?

I presume some of the house in the block behind hill 16 have already been purchased by the GAA?

Prop Joe · 19-06-2014 09:01AM

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Do you not agree that if these teams had 10-12 competitive games against teams close to their own level in a season, including a shot at the provincial championship,.

And when do the club players get games during the summer?

You can PM me to further this conversation as this is derailing the thread

Prop Joe · 19-06-2014 09:14AM

Amprodude wrote: »

There should be a buzzer to end game and not the ref calling the time.

Would rather the Ref signal the end of the game and then the ball must go dead at the end of the play like in Rugby

Deedsie wrote: »

Every effort should be made to finish Hill16/Dineen end to the same specification as the canal end.

I would be massively in favour of keeping terraces at all GAA grounds,They add hugely to a stadium.

Would rather they invested the money in coaching

Amprodude · 19-06-2014 09:25AM

Waterford missed the boat in the 2000's and will find it hard to win All Ireland for a while to come.

Tipp werent the wonder team that everyone expected them to be after 2010
and aren't consistent as a unit.

Cork hurling is brutal now compared what the county had decades ago.

Limerick need bottle to win in Croke Park.

Clare fans are the most annoying of them all.

Something wrong with Galway Senior hurling teams since 1988. Similiar to Limerick.

Dublin won't be serious All Ireland contendors ever.

Wexford hurling is a shambles.

Offaly don't have anything like they had in the 1990s.

Kilkenny hurling is the benchmark each year and the standard everyone needs to be at.

Christy Ring cup is a waste of time.

Ger Loughnane hasn't a clue.

Eddie Brennan was always underrated as a player.

Mike Duignan was an average player and is a so called expert.

Anthony Nash is the best striker of a ball ever.

Aidan Walsh isn't a great hurler but class athlete.

Clare are not as good as everyone are making them out to be and will be found out again in the qualfiers.

Galway will make hard work of Leinster again and will lose in qualfiers if they meet Tipp or Waterford.

Why are Antrim hurling?

Unpopular here I come.

klairondavis · 19-06-2014 09:55AM

Deedsie wrote: »

Buy the remaining required houses off the residents. No matter how long it takes. The rail line could surely be tunnelled and a stand built over it? From an engineering point of view it can't be the most conplex project? They did it at Lansdowne Road with the Dart line?

I just want the GAA to have it as an ongoing process and not just accept that the current situation is the end of it?

I presume some of the house in the block behind hill 16 have already been purchased by the GAA?

They could build over the line at Lansdowne Road because it is at ground level. The line that runs to the north of Croke Park is elevated. It would be a hugely complex job to reroute the line and not really worth the money involved.

Deedsie · 19-06-2014 10:10AM

klairondavis wrote: »

They could build over the line at Lansdowne Road because it is at ground level. The line that runs to the north of Croke Park is elevated. It would be a hugely complex job to reroute the line and not really worth the money involved.

I never suggested rerouting... I suggested a tunnel above a portion of it at the North West corner 3/4 of the way across to the North East corner of Croke Park. It wouldn't be all that complicated a job to build the stand on top of the tunnel...

I should have added my preference for the lower tier in The Hill end would be all standing/terrace section. I'd even consider re terracing the lower level at the canal end for atmosphere. Obviously both ends could be converted to being all seated if required for other sports if they required the use of Croke Park.

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