Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

Iseedeadpixels · 15-06-2014 11:45AM

From Sky sports

Reports in Italy in the Gazzetta dello Sport claim that Manchester United are interested in Juventus’ Chile international Arturo Vidal, while Corriere dello Sport claims that the Old Trafford outfit could be planning a summer move for Inter Milan’s Colombia midfielder Fredy Guarin.

Larry Wildman · 15-06-2014 12:03PM

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

From Sky sports

Reports in Italy in the Gazzetta dello Sport claim that Manchester United are interested in Juventus’ Chile international Arturo Vidal.

Praise the Lord if this is true!

Manutd_4life · 15-06-2014 12:03PM

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

From Sky sports

Reports in Italy in the Gazzetta dello Sport claim that Manchester United are interested in Juventus’ Chile international Arturo Vidal, while Corriere dello Sport claims that the Old Trafford outfit could be planning a summer move for Inter Milan’s Colombia midfielder Fredy Guarin.

Are they reliable???? Vidal would be beautiful :cool:

glued · 15-06-2014 12:13PM

Why would Vidal join United? He's rejected numerous offers over the past few years. He's one of the best in the world

Mitch Connor · 15-06-2014 12:14PM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Mate, you're sounding like a United version of Piers Morgan when you write this stuff.

As Kew said, it's June. Relax, we'll get our stuff sorted by the end of the transfer window. I've full confidence. Don't let the Moyes year continually haunt you.

Woodward failed to sign players last summer, and he us the one in charge of signing them now. How people fail to see Woodward is a big part of the problem baffles me. Lvg has got van his list, Woodward has delivered nothing in a month and is seemingly no closer to delivering than he was a month ago. It's shambolic. Lvg improves the tactics and prep, imo, but he doesn't solve our inability to conduct transfer business efficiently or effectively.

Iseedeadpixels · 15-06-2014 12:15PM

Manutd_4life wrote: »

Are they reliable???? Vidal would be beautiful :cool:

Not sure if they are or not just thought I would post it as the worry is creeping in :pac:

sReq | uTeK · 15-06-2014 12:17PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Silva could, and should have put them two up. The Spanish fell apart last night, that should not be forgotten.

Sneijder should have put Holland 1 up, I fail to see your point. Who's to say what it would have ended up then.......10-0 (see what I did there ? )

Regarding United being a joke ? Yes club is shut. I mean it's not like there is 60 days to get deals signed it's not like they went out and got the best available man for the job.

Regarding us not signing any of LVGs targets care to elaborate on how you know this?

Manutd_4life · 15-06-2014 12:17PM

Just wondering, is it possible for woodward to get sacked. Who is on top of him that could do so

glued · 15-06-2014 12:19PM

Manutd_4life wrote: »

Just wondering, is it possible for woodward to get sacked. Who is on top of him that could do so

Why would Woodward be sacked? And the Glazers would make that decision.

lordgoat · 15-06-2014 12:20PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

We're still 2 and a half months off talking about "humble pie".

Season starts in 2 months. I'm not sure about you but I like my signings done as early as possible. you know maybe have yout squad all sorted for preseason. Also this is a world cup year so players also need as much a break as possible before preseason so it makes no sense to delay signings.

I was fully prepared to have to wait till late July at the earliest for signings anyway. Once Moyes went, our transfer plans obviously got torn up, and LVG may have had a list (which changes on a daily basis) but it was also obvious that the WC was his #1 priority. So getting business done pre-WC was going to be hard and getting it done during it was going to be nigh on impossible.

You say that you wouldn't be shocked to see other big clubs doing business before us. But so far, Chelsea and City have only managed to sign players that the other clubs let go and who they were the only ones in for. Arsenal's thread is identical to this one about a lack of signings. Liverpool haven't actually made a signing that makes me think they are any stronger yet (and they have their biggest challenge to come re: Suarez).
1. Oh dod we have to wait for other clubs to sign first or something. Would it not be better if we were the only club that had done all their transfer dealings at this stage? But while I'm here - Lol at only Chelsea and City having bought players. Ya sure why should we expect to be as competent as them in the transfer market.

Every club is struggling to get business done so far this summer. None of the big clubs have actually managed to address their biggest issues they are facing. I know it's easy to go "Oh God, it's us, we're the problem" but the reality is that the entire transfer market is spinning its wheels big time right now....
Every club expect Chelsea/City/Barca/German clubs/PSG

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The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I expected 1 signing before WC.

I expected no signings during WC.

I still remain confident that LVG will attract names.

Its June the 15th, not August the 15th.

I will repeat I have absolutely no problem with peoples concerns. They were proven right last summer and I also voiced my concerns last summer.

If we dont sign any stars by early August then I will turn 180 on the topic.

The difference between last summer and this for me though is different.

I was concerned last summer because I felt we were too open and well I questioned Moyes ability to get the players.

LVG though is different animal imo. A proven top manager and results the other day might sway a few players, although its too early to get carried away by 1 result.

I;d agree with most of this. I'd still have an issue with players coming in on the 15th Aug as i said above preseason is very important.

Larry Wildman wrote: »

A disjointed summer is the price we've had to pay to secure Van Gaal.

It's not ideal, but it will be worth it.

How can Van Gaal sanction signings when he hasn't really seen the squad up close?

How can he sanction a move for Shaw when he's probably seen little or nothing of him?

How can any of us assess the squad and know that we are chronically lacking a CM, a CB a LB and could probably do with a winger? You don't need to be LVG to know that there are a vast array of plays out there that would improve our starting 11.

Manutd_4life wrote: »

Are they reliable???? Vidal would be beautiful :cool:

As reliable as will it rain today. Sometimes spot on sometimes way off.

Lord TSC · 15-06-2014 12:21PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Woodward failed to sign players last summer, and he us the one in charge of signing them now. How people fail to see Woodward is a big part of the problem baffles me. Lvg has got van his list, Woodward has delivered nothing in a month and is seemingly no closer to delivering than he was a month ago. It's shambolic. Lvg improves the tactics and prep, imo, but he doesn't solve our inability to conduct transfer business efficiently or effectively.

It's not that people fail to see there's a problem there; it's the utter obsession with trying to paint Woodward as the worlds worst CEO that winds people up.

LVG handed Woodward a list in possibly the very worst month he could have handed him a list. Everything was going to be against the club getting signings done this month. Meanwhile, Woodward has obviously made a great step by appointing the top manager available, and will be looking to use the ENTIRE transfer window to rebuild the club, not just the first month.

I have no problem with people who show concern or say they are worried, but just like last summer, resort to words like "farce" and "shambolic" are hyperbolic, and if you jump to one end of the spectrum in your attacks on Woodward and the club, please don't be shocked when people resort to the other end when it comes to defending him...

Zico · 15-06-2014 12:21PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Woodward failed to sign players last summer, and he us the one in charge of signing them now. How people fail to see Woodward is a big part of the problem baffles me.

Moyes is wisely keeping his mouth shut about what went on last summer while he looks for a new job, but it'll be interesting to hear his take on Woodward's efforts once he feels comfortable to tell his side of the story.

Mitch Connor · 15-06-2014 12:24PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Regarding us not signing any of LVGs targets care to elaborate on how you know this?

Did I miss the announcement of some signings?

Zico · 15-06-2014 12:29PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Woodward has obviously made a great step by appointing the top manager available

He probably got a bonus for not hiring the worst unavailable manager.

glued · 15-06-2014 12:32PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Woodward failed to sign players last summer, and he us the one in charge of signing them now. How people fail to see Woodward is a big part of the problem baffles me. Lvg has got van his list, Woodward has delivered nothing in a month and is seemingly no closer to delivering than he was a month ago. It's shambolic. Lvg improves the tactics and prep, imo, but he doesn't solve our inability to conduct transfer business efficiently or effectively.

If Woodward was the problem then he would have been sacked by now. The people who are blaming Woodward are just looking for a scapegoat. Woodward is not that scapegoat.

You're being completely unrealistic if you expect us to sign top players this summer. There is nothing within the realms of possibility that will satisfy you this transfer window. We aren't in the Champions League anymore. All Woodward can do is make an offer; he can't make players sign. This clambering of hands for Woodward to step down is based on rumours, lies, delusion and foolishness.

I think we seriously need to do some deals but Woodward is only part of the puzzle. How people can't see that a new manager completely changing the transfer plans for a club could be in any way disruptive is quite amazing.

lordgoat · 15-06-2014 12:33PM

Zico wrote: »

He probably got a bonus for not hiring the worst unavailable manager.

+1

Yes well done Ed on not signing a **** manager. wtf?

lordgoat · 15-06-2014 12:39PM

glued wrote: »

If Woodward was the problem then he would have been sacked by now. The people who are blaming Woodward are just looking for a scapegoat. Woodward is not that scapegoat.

You're being completely unrealistic if you expect us to sign top players this summer. There is nothing within the realms of possibility that will satisfy you this transfer window. We aren't in the Champions League anymore. All Woodward can do is make an offer; he can't make players sign. This clambering of hands for Woodward to step down is based on rumours, lies, delusion and foolishness.

I think we seriously need to do some deals but Woodward is only part of the puzzle. How people can't see that a new manager completely changing the transfer plans for a club could be in any way disruptive is quite amazing.

See I disagree. If Manchester United in some eyes the biggest club going want a player they go after them. And the simple fact is there are alot of players (outside the top jamie redknapp player bracket) that will vastly improve our first 11. To not actively be pushing for this is not acceptable for one window. We are now on window 3 and so far for CM we are no closer to being anywhere near capable. Part of me still thinks it was unacceptable for SAF to not improve the CM but that's in the past. Just like Moyes didn't improve the CM. (If you claim Felliani improved our MF, then I disagree) Here and now it's window 3 the common factor is Woodward. He's closed 2 deals despite being linked to how many players? If you believe he was only in for 2 players fair enough!

Son Of A Vidic · 15-06-2014 12:55PM

lordgoat wrote: »

He's closed 2 deals despite being linked to how many players?

But weren't we linked last summer to something like 42-46 players, totaling around €1.2 billion in summer signings? Now I seriously doubt we missed out on 42 players last summer. Apart from maybe some feelers put out there, for all we know, LVG might have very well instructed there be no signings until he is back from the World Cup?

Lord TSC · 15-06-2014 12:56PM

lordgoat wrote: »

See I disagree. If Manchester United in some eyes the biggest club going want a player they go after them. And the simple fact is there are alot of players (outside the top jamie redknapp player bracket) that will vastly improve our first 11. To not actively be pushing for this is not acceptable for one window. We are now on window 3 and so far for CM we are no closer to being anywhere near capable. Part of me still thinks it was unacceptable for SAF to not improve the CM but that's in the past. Just like Moyes didn't improve the CM. (If you claim Felliani improved our MF, then I disagree) Here and now it's window 3 the common factor is Woodward. He's closed 2 deals despite being linked to how many players? If you believe he was only in for 2 players fair enough!

But this is it. You're picking one factor, saying it's the same, and then ignore every other factor not being the same.

So we ignore the fact last summer we had an unproven manager and a team who had just won the league. There was an argument to be made (agree or not) that there wasn't a huge rush on fixing anything other than CM, and we actually did bring in a player to address that issue. Moves were made last summer to address the biggest problem we were facing.

At Xmas, a time where it's always difficult to sign players, we were obviously a club in crisis with a manager sinking ever more out of his depth. Our league position was flagging. But again, we've made moves now to remove the biggest cause of that problem.

Since our season ended, we've removed one of the biggest problems facing the club and replaced him with a top level manager. Woodward will know he has to back that up with players now. And he still has loads of time to do it. Every report is we're trying to get the deals done, and we've been linked with how many dozen players. You can say we've not been successful, right, but we're obviously trying to address those issues. His primary concern though has to be on getting it done right as opposed to getting it done quick.

JerCotter7 · 15-06-2014 12:57PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

But weren't we linked last summer to something like 42-46 players, totaling around €1.2 billion in summer signings? Now I seriously doubt we missed out on 42 players last summer. Apart from maybe some feelers put out there, for all we know, LVG might have very well instructed there be no signings until he is back from the World Cup?

People believing every transfer rumour are just making it way worse for themselves. Personally I check this thread about once a week at the moment because it has become very hard to read.

Son Of A Vidic · 15-06-2014 01:03PM

JerCotter7 wrote: »

People believing every transfer rumour are just making it way worse for themselves. Personally I check this thread about once a week at the moment because it has become very hard to read.

Same here, you can't keep up will all the transfer speculation. So I don't even bother with it. Like compiling a list of who I want us to sign, I don't bother because once you do that, you're emotionally investing in it. You then get sucked into the rumour mill and more than likely will end up disappointed.

Larry Wildman · 15-06-2014 01:04PM

glued wrote: »

Why would Vidal join United? He's rejected numerous offers over the past few years. He's one of the best in the world

Money?

He's one of the best in the world in a position which is a big problem for us.

Yes he's had offers but is there anyone offering him £300k a week?

We should "break the bank" to get him.

Unearthly · 15-06-2014 01:10PM

What's annoying me most is the obvious press briefings about transfers. The usually reliable journalists were reporting similar stories that there was a list of targets, and that they were confident in making 2 signings before world cup.

Then seemingly LVG has turned up a chance to sign some of these players. So is it a case that Woodward went boasting to the media about signing players he hadn't even consulted the new manager about?

Again all speculation on my part but that's my feeling and worry so far.

Larry Wildman · 15-06-2014 01:15PM

lordgoat wrote: »

See I disagree. If Manchester United in some eyes the biggest club going want a player they go after them. And the simple fact is there are alot of players (outside the top jamie redknapp player bracket) that will vastly improve our first 11. To not actively be pushing for this is not acceptable for one window. We are now on window 3 and so far for CM we are no closer to being anywhere near capable. Part of me still thinks it was unacceptable for SAF to not improve the CM but that's in the past. Just like Moyes didn't improve the CM. (If you claim Felliani improved our MF, then I disagree) Here and now it's window 3 the common factor is Woodward. He's closed 2 deals despite being linked to how many players? If you believe he was only in for 2 players fair enough!

Woodward could just be a scapegoat though. He can't force players to sign for United. Perhaps Moyes' list(s) contained guys who just had no interest in coming?

If Van Gaal gives Woodward a list with Vidal, Fabregas and Kroos on it (for example), and all three say "no", it's not Woodward's fault (necessarily).

Very difficult to say definitively whose fault any of our transfer woes are TBH. Frankly I'm kind of coming down in the "Fergie's neglect" camp. Because of his neglect of the midfield area, we're being forced to do too much in too short a window of time. Top teams should evolve over time rather than requiring massive overhauls.

Because if his achievements, for many he's above criticism but the reality is that Fergie is to blame for the Moyes debacle and the fact that our midfield is so poor relative to our peers.

Mitch Connor · 15-06-2014 01:25PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

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Because if his achievements, for many he's above criticism but the reality is that Fergie is to blame for the Moyes debacle and the fact that our midfield is so poor relative to our peers.

Disagree. He was at fault when he was in charge, but he isn't anymore. Our inability to form a midfield is now down to the people in charge now.

Look at Chelsea potential midfield.

.......matic..fabregas
Willian..Oscar.....hazard.

Only hazard was signed when fergie was in charge. I'd Chelsea were capable of doing such work it is delusional white washing to say its fergies fault we have not done similar in the same timeframe.

RobertKK · 15-06-2014 01:39PM

Manutd_4life wrote: »

Just wondering, is it possible for woodward to get sacked. Who is on top of him that could do so

Sacking Woodward would be a very bad decision, and the Glazers wouldn't dream of it.
In terms of running United's business side, he is doing a top job.

There is a case a director of football should be appointed - let Ed do what he is great at - running the business side of United, and have someone else to look after the hiring and firing of players.

Larry Wildman · 15-06-2014 01:41PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Disagree. He was at fault when he was in charge, but he isn't anymore. Our inability to form a midfield is now down to the people in charge now.

Look at Chelsea potential midfield.

.......matic..fabregas
Willian..Oscar.....hazard.

Only hazard was signed when fergie was in charge. I'd Chelsea were capable of doing such work it is delusional white washing to say its fergies fault we have not done similar in the same timeframe.

Fair enough.

I suppose the fact that Chelsea have been able to put together that midfield in such a short space of time is a function of Abramovich's spending power.

Personally I lay the blame squarely at Sir Alex's door. His neglect of midfield was outrageous and his "anointing" of Moyes was incredible.

The Glazers also have a lot to answer for in not ensuring that David Gill stayed on when they knew that Fergie was going. Replacing your greatest manager and your CEO in the same summer is bizarre.

Manutd_4life · 15-06-2014 02:06PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Sacking Woodward would be a very bad decision, and the Glazers wouldn't dream of it.
In terms of running United's business side, he is doing a top job.

There is a case a director of football should be appointed - let Ed do what he is great at - running the business side of United, and have someone else to look after the hiring and firing of players.

Agree with this, woodward seems like a top business man-great at sorting out comercial/sponsor deals. But in terms of getting players and transfer targets sorted:

Danye · 15-06-2014 02:10PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Personally I lay the blame squarely at Sir Alex's door. His neglect of midfield was outrageous and his "anointing" of Moyes was incredible.

I really don't understand how people have been blaming Fergie for the mess we find ourselves in. He left the incoming manager the league champions and access to funds to improve the squad. What more should he of done?

Of course he had to anoint Moyes. What was he suppose to do?

How Soon Is Now · 15-06-2014 02:21PM

The conversation never changes in here does it ? :pac:

I take it theres been more bad news?

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