Unpopular GAA opinions you hold

GBXI · 13-06-2014 01:58PM

blackwhite wrote: »

Cluxton will go down as one of the best of the modern era - no doubt about it.
BUT, a lot of the credit that he gets for his kick-outs should also be given to his midfield and half-back/half-forward lines.
Cluxton often struggles when he's forced to pick out a man in tight space (as Laois showed last weekend).
The success of Cluxton's kick-outs is largely down to the space created, and by the quality of movement and runs from the midfielders. It's not the hardest thing in the world to deliver a placed ball into 30/40 yards of space.

Where Cluxton does deserves most of the credit is, from what I've been told, he is largely responsible for Dublin adopting this system as he was the one who suggested adopting it as the way they could nearly guarantee possession from restarts, instead of midfield having to contest a high ball.

Agreed, the movement of the players is crucial to how good his kick-outs look. However, completely disagree with how hard you say it is. Some of his passes are into lots of space and easy to make, and he deserves credit for being so alert and taking it quickly, but a lot (especially in the AI final last year, where he should have been MOTM not BB by the way) are pinpoint accurate where there is little room for error, and the kick needs to be made very quickly before the opposition get set.

I didn't know he was the one who suggested/implemented it, but I would have guessed that he did. He is a very clever keeper by all accounts.

Tombo2001 · 13-06-2014 02:06PM

km79 wrote: »

Dublin have an unfair advantage playing all their football games in Croke park ........

Dublin have an unfair advantage because their population is ten times larger than the counties they are up against......or in the case of Laois last week, 16 times larger. And their sponsorship money is vastly higher also.

The fact that the matches are in Dublin compounds that again.

The Leinster championshiop is like a soccer tournament where Germany plays against Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Wales, Malta, Latvia, Cyprus and Iceland, and all the games are played in Berlin.

Dublin has won 9 of the past ten Leinster Championships. If they didnt have the back door to fall back on I'd say they'd have won all ten.

Its so loaded in Dublins favour that really its quite incredible that anyone else bothers.

blackwhite · 13-06-2014 02:09PM

GBXI wrote: »

Agreed, the movement of the players is crucial to how good his kick-outs look. However, completely disagree with how hard you say it is. Some of his passes are into lots of space and easy to make, and he deserves credit for being so alert and taking it quickly, but a lot (especially in the AI final last year, where he should have been MOTM not BB by the way) are pinpoint accurate where there is little room for error, and the kick needs to be made very quickly before the opposition get set.

I didn't know he was the one who suggested/implemented it, but I would have guessed that he did. He is a very clever keeper by all accounts.

I've played in goals for more years than I care to remember at this stage

, and you wouldn't believe how much easier it gets when you have a 30-40m space instead of a 10-20m space.
I'm not saying that anyone can do it, but it with good positioning and movement from the outfield players it should be relatively easy for anyone who has aspirations of being a decent club keeper, never mind an intercounty one.
Where Cluxton stands out is, as you said, his footballing intelligence (normally anyway - the incidents when he loses the head aside!) is as good as anyone in the game. Finding the space is one thing, Dublin usually have two/three pockets of space created for him. The key thing that he does, more often than not, is pick the correct one.
It's very rare that the man Cluxton finds with the kickout loses possession. He always seems to take the option where the receiving player has the most options to take. No use finding a man in space if he doesn't have men nearby to support him.

In short, the praise for accuracy of his kick-outs is majorly overstated, his team make that part of it relatively easy.

Where the praise should be directed is towards his footballing brain for 1) getting them to use the system and 2) for his kick selection. The actual kicking is the easiest part!

eigrod · 13-06-2014 02:16PM

As I see it, from the 23 non-Ulster Counties, it is extremely unlikely that any County other than Dublin, Cork or Kerry will win an All Ireland Football Championship in the next 30 years.

Mayo may have a chance, but I think history shows they won't.

longshanks · 13-06-2014 02:19PM

savannahkat wrote: »

Anything to do with hurling is an art including being a snob.

Kilkenny have every right to be arrogant, being anything else would be to understate our greatness.

He is not called Henry the 8th or the 7th or the 6th or the 5th or the 4th or the 3d or the 2nd or the 1st. He is Henry the 9thhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh soon enough to be Henry the 10thhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

King Henry was born in Waterford.

Tombo2001 · 13-06-2014 02:19PM

eigrod wrote: »

As I see it, from the 23 non-Ulster Counties, it is extremely unlikely that any County other than Dublin, Cork or Kerry will win an All Ireland Football Championship in the next 30 years.

Mayo may have a chance, but I think history shows they won't.

I'd see it slightly differently....

Its Dublin, Cork, Kerry plus one other.....

the one other can come from probably the following - Down, Donegal, Meath, Mayo, Galway, Tyrone. In any given year only one or two of these would even be credible. This year for example, there is no way Meath or Galway will win. But maybe in ten years they will.

It really couldnt see anyone else winning.

eigrod · 13-06-2014 02:23PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I'd see it slightly differently....

Its Dublin, Cork, Kerry plus one other.....

the one other can come from probably the following - Down, Donegal, Meath, Mayo, Galway, Tyrone. In any given year only one or two of these would even be credible. This year for example, there is no way Meath or Galway will win. But maybe in ten years they will.

It really couldnt see anyone else winning.

I take your point, except I did say non-Ulster Counties so that leaves Meath, Mayo & Galway. I think Ulster will get a few All Irelands in the next 30 years.

But I made my point on the basis of population & investment. I would even fear a little for Kerry - they have a big task facing them.

davehedgehog · 13-06-2014 02:24PM

My Unpopular GAA Opinions
1. Kilkenny have taken all enjoyment out of watching the game of hurling. Clare winning last year with their style of play was so popular and was a breath of fresh air.
2. There are club and intercounty players who are / have taken substances that are on banned lists
3. I dont take GAA fans from cities or large towns seriously.
4. Marty Morrissey is not a ride

savannahkat · 13-06-2014 02:28PM

longshanks wrote: »

King Henry was born in Waterford.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

keane2097 · 13-06-2014 02:31PM

davehedgehog wrote: »

2. There are club and intercounty players who are / have taken substances that are on banned lists

No doubt about this in my mind.

keane2097 · 13-06-2014 02:33PM

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

4 points ahead of Armagh in 2002...2 kicks of a ball is NOT "well ahead".
Well beaten by a better Tyrone team in 2003.
2005 final was a top notch game,best final I've seen.
Kerry were never well ahead in 2008, so you're wrong again. Leading by 1 at halftime.
You then mentioned 2011, but you were talking about the 2000's..tying yourself up in knots.

I thought the 08 final was a lot better than 05 in my head having not watched 05 in a long time, we were well beaten in the end in 05 I thought at the time only for the Tomas goal putting a bit of gloss to it?

eigrod · 13-06-2014 02:35PM

davehedgehog wrote: »

My Unpopular GAA Opinions
4. Marty Morrissey is not a ride

You sir, are a heathen. You should be banned for that comment alone.

blackwhite · 13-06-2014 02:37PM

davehedgehog wrote: »

My Unpopular GAA Opinions
2. There are club and intercounty players who are / have taken substances that are on banned lists

I'd be shocked if, in the next 5/10 years, we don't have very specific allegations about either an individual or a team.

davehedgehog wrote: »

4. Marty Morrissey is not a ride

And this is why no one will ever take anything you post seriously again. In fact you should probably just close this account and start a new one.
Everyone knows that Marty has an almost gravitational pull on any young lass fortunate enough to fall within sight of "the forehead." :pac:

homewardbound11 · 13-06-2014 02:38PM

ultrapercy wrote: »

Read my post again, thats exactly my point.

I see what happened . I replied to the incorrect post . So yes it was in agreement . And we most likely would have sneaked it with mchale on.

Moneymaker · 13-06-2014 02:38PM

Kilkenny fans superior attitude and seeming divine right to win everything is extremely grating.

mickmackey1 · 13-06-2014 02:39PM

davehedgehog wrote: »

Kilkenny have taken all enjoyment out of watching the game of hurling.

The strange thing is I remember the great Kerry side of the 80s, and ppl were genuinely sad when they finally went over the hill. Must have been all the great characters on the team.

davehedgehog · 13-06-2014 02:41PM

And this is why no one will ever take anything you post seriously again. In fact you should probably just close this account and start a new one.
Everyone knows that Marty has an almost gravitational pull on any young lass fortunate enough to fall within sight of "the forehead." :pac:[/QUOTE]

i have seen his powers first hand. Was in a hotel bar with an IC team a few years ago and Marty walked in. There was an actual queue of women to talk to him. The players were all standing around the bar and no one near them. Personally I don't see it

GBXI · 13-06-2014 02:42PM

blackwhite wrote: »

I've played in goals for more years than I care to remember at this stage , and you wouldn't believe how much easier it gets when you have a 30-40m space instead of a 10-20m space.
I'm not saying that anyone can do it, but it with good positioning and movement from the outfield players it should be relatively easy for anyone who has aspirations of being a decent club keeper, never mind an intercounty one.
Where Cluxton stands out is, as you said, his footballing intelligence (normally anyway - the incidents when he loses the head aside!) is as good as anyone in the game. Finding the space is one thing, Dublin usually have two/three pockets of space created for him. The key thing that he does, more often than not, is pick the correct one.
It's very rare that the man Cluxton finds with the kickout loses possession. He always seems to take the option where the receiving player has the most options to take. No use finding a man in space if he doesn't have men nearby to support him.

In short, the praise for accuracy of his kick-outs is majorly overstated, his team make that part of it relatively easy.

Where the praise should be directed is towards his footballing brain for 1) getting them to use the system and 2) for his kick selection. The actual kicking is the easiest part!

Agree with a lot of what you say there, and I'd still point out that he is a very accurate passer of the ball - the most accurate of all keepers I'd say.

Anyway, the original point was that anyone who thinks he is over-rated really doesn't know what they're talking about.

IrishAlice · 13-06-2014 02:43PM

blackwhite wrote: »

Everyone knows that Marty has an almost gravitational pull on any young lass fortunate enough to fall within sight of "the forehead." :pac:

I think I just got a little sick in my mouth :P

IrishAlice · 13-06-2014 02:44PM

Moneymaker wrote: »

Kilkenny fans superior attitude and seeming divine right to win everything is extremely grating.

Aaahhh we're not all like that! Every county has the few eejits sure!

intellectual dosser · 13-06-2014 02:46PM

My unpopular (Football) opinion:

The Provincial Championships are dead.

This year Mayo and Dublin will win their respective provinces without sweating while the seeding down south means we'll have Kerry v Cork Munster Finals for the next decade at least. Ulster offers a bit more excitement and intrigue but for a long time we had Armagh and Tyrone exchanging titles shortly after the backdoor system was brought in.

I do cite the backdoor system as the critical factor, I think the historically weaker teams will put up a fight in their province but will ultimately fall back on the second chance.

People dont want to change, the provincial championships have always been a cornerstone of the GAA summer, we have our historys, our memories and medals from them, but the longer they continue in the current format the less they'll matter. To fix this, we either resuscitate the provincials by removing the backdoor, or we change the format of the championship altogether. And yes I find it hard to argue against a "Champions League" format complete with seeding. I'm aware that alluding to a soccer institution can be suicidal to my point in this forum.

CurryFlavoured · 13-06-2014 02:52PM

davehedgehog wrote: »

4. Marty Morrissey is not a ride

Get out.

Martin567 · 13-06-2014 03:41PM

Moneymaker wrote: »

Kilkenny fans superior attitude and seeming divine right to win everything is extremely grating.

Kilkenny fans are mostly very understated. Imagine how unbearable certain other fans would be if their county had won 9 out of 13 All Ireland Finals.

djPSB · 13-06-2014 03:49PM

Mayo have over achieved in recent seasons.

Their forward line is no where near good enough to win an All Ireland. Cillian O' Connor is way over rated.

wicklowwonder · 13-06-2014 03:52PM

djPSB wrote: »

Mayo have over achieved in recent seasons.

Their forward line is no where near good enough to win an All Ireland. Cillian O' Connor is way over rated.

Andy Moran is overrated in my opinion. Cillian O'Connor is decent.

donnem33 · 13-06-2014 04:21PM

intellectual dosser wrote: »

My unpopular (Football) opinion:

The Provincial Championships are dead.

This year Mayo and Dublin will win their respective provinces without sweating while the seeding down south means we'll have Kerry v Cork Munster Finals for the next decade at least. Ulster offers a bit more excitement and intrigue but for a long time we had Armagh and Tyrone exchanging titles shortly after the backdoor system was brought in.

I do cite the backdoor system as the critical factor, I think the historically weaker teams will put up a fight in their province but will ultimately fall back on the second chance.

People dont want to change, the provincial championships have always been a cornerstone of the GAA summer, we have our historys, our memories and medals from them, but the longer they continue in the current format the less they'll matter. To fix this, we either resuscitate the provincials by removing the backdoor, or we change the format of the championship altogether. And yes I find it hard to argue against a "Champions League" format complete with seeding. I'm aware that alluding to a soccer institution can be suicidal to my point in this forum.

Great post. I agree entirely with everything you said!

davidfitz22 · 13-06-2014 04:24PM

GAA is a minority sport in dublin, The population advantage counts for nothing if there is little interest in the sport,
GAA is everything to the people in mayo, where as in dublin there is a greater interest in soccer and rugby.
look at the size of the dublin GAA board compared to Mayo for example

dirkmeister · 13-06-2014 04:26PM

davehedgehog wrote: »

My Unpopular GAA Opinions
1. Kilkenny have taken all enjoyment out of watching the game of hurling. Clare winning last year with their style of play was so popular and was a breath of fresh air.

If you can't enjoy watching Tommy Walsh, JJ Delaney, Henry Shefflin and Richie Hogan in full flight then I don't know what to say.

Clare didn't look like the saviours of the game that they are being made out to be against Wexford.

adrian522 · 13-06-2014 04:30PM

I'm personally no a huge fan of Clare's style of play to be honest, it's effective certainly but wouldn't be my cup of tea from a neutral point of view.

donnem33 · 13-06-2014 04:36PM

I believe it's about time that there were 2 referees instead of 1 officiating at matches in both hurling and football. The game is gone too fast for one man to be able to see and judge everything and make every correct decision.

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