World Cup 2014 Super Thread copyright warning #1645

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Fred thanking God after he cheated to win a penalty. Luiz and his stupid handshakes with Marcelo before the game. Scolari in the faces of the linesman throughout the match, contesting every decision. Then saying we must abide by the ref's decisions after the game when his side were gifted a penalty. Scolari looking for the opposition to get booked with his imaginary card. Gustavo and Silva, amongst others, jumping up into the air after clearing a ball trying to win free kicks. And finally - one of the worst opening ceremonies in any sport. EVER.

All that money that Brazil has spent, it has to be justified. I was disgusted at the antics last night and the bias ref. If this is what we are going to get in every game Brazil play, then I will be very disappointed. FIFA had lost all credibility and integrity with the likes of Blatter still in charge..

greendom wrote: »

No Brazil are going to grow into this tournament. Even on last night's showing I see them winning the whole thing.

Brazil are a long way from the best team in the tournament, the only way I can see them winning is by favorable decisions. That may well happen but I hope not.

Ormus wrote: »

Source?

Surely that should be salsa ?

Ormus wrote: »

The problem with Brazil is that they have the wrong team selection. I'd bring Hernanes or Ramires in for Paulinho and Willian or Hernanes for Hulk.

Fred up front is still a problem, but he's still a good finisher and he will get chances.

Amazing that Fernandinho didn't make the squad, so much better than what they have.

He did.

greendom wrote: »

They have plenty of strength in depth and playing at home carries a huge advantage once you get over the weight of expectation. i don't think Argentina are good enough defensively and European teams just can't do it in South America. It's Brazil's by default almost.

Now there's a stereotype that's being banded about an awful lot.

I wouldn't pass much heed on other WC's in South America when the European teams couldn't win it, which is most likely because they weren't good enough at the time.

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Posted something similar in the match thread but why do so many people feel like this after last nights game? Neither team dominated and in my eyes you could say all 4 goals in the game were lucky (2x keeper mistakes, an OG and a penalty that shouldn't have been), but for none of them did it feel like Brazil cheat for any of them?

The referee was clearly more lenient to Brazil throughout the game, and the penalty was ridiculous, but surely this are more refereeing mistakes than reasons to dislike Brazil? Not trying to argue but just wondering why, is it to do with a 'FIFA agenda' or the Brazil team itself?

A lot of us older folk will remember the flamboyant Brazil sides of say 1982 or even 1970.
And yes I know they did not win 82, but they were magical to watch.

The Brazil team that won in 94 lacked a lot of that, but they were still better than this current crop.
Likewise with 98, 2002 when you had the liks of Ronaldo, Cafu, Roberto Carlos , Rivaldo (cheating git that he was), Ronaldinho, Kaka, Juninho.

This team has none of that style and take out Oscar and Neymer of last nights team and they were nothing special.
So the glamour, the special spectacular touchers, the joyous football that Brazil once brought to the game is no longer there.

Pele, Carlos Alberto or one of the famous ones from 1970 were asked how many of the 94 team would get on their team, to which they answered NONE.
Of coruse Romario threw a strop over that, but I would hate to hear their answer about the current team.

Added to that the "homer" ref who did them a few favours last night has left a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths.
Without that ref and the added fact the Croat goalie is not that great Brazil would have really struggled last night.

So I sincerly hope that a not so great Brazil team, with more than a few passengers, do not get to a final because we might see a situation like the Rugby WC in NZ where the ref affectively decided the game very much in favour of the home team.

BTW IMHO the difference between a bad ref and a corrupt ref is a bad one usually makes bad discisions for each team.
Last night I only saw only one team really suffering from his decisions.

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

In fairness, it's been 36 years since the World Cup was last held in South America, so this information might be out of date. And out of the last 10 World Cups, the hosts have only won three of them.

The only way Brazil will win is through favourable treatment, it won't happen through quality.

Well anywhere in America then . Brazil won (with a pretty unfancied side) in the States in 94, and Argentina in Mexico in 86. Point taken its' still afair while ago but playing on the American continent does seem to put European teams at a disadvantage.

On the other hand, maybe that has changed. Spain were the first European team to win the WC when it wasn't held in Europe in 2010.

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Does "holding it against them" mean the same thing as "acknowledging it and saying that they won't win the World Cup as a result"?

Not really. Some people seem to have developed a will for Brazil not to win because they don't have Pele's and Ronaldo's in their team. This leads to all this ref corruption nonsense. Some just acknowledge it, but some bizarrely seem to have an anti-Brazil line of thinking.

jmayo wrote: »

A lot of us older folk will remember the flamboyant Brazil sides of say 1982 or even 1970.
And yes I know they did not win 82, but they were magical to watch.

The Brazil team that won in 94 lacked a lot of that, but they were still better than this current crop.
Likewise with 98, 2002 when you had the liks of Ronaldo, Cafu, Roberto Carlos , Rivaldo (cheating git that he was), Ronaldinho, Kaka, Juninho.

This team has none of that style and take out Oscar and Neymer of last nights team and they were nothing special.
So the glamour, the special spectacular touchers, the joyous football that Brazil once brought to the game is no longer there.

Pele, Carlos Alberto or one of the famous ones from 1970 were asked how many of the 94 team would get on their team, to which they answered NONE.
Of coruse Romario threw a strop over that, but I would hate to hear their answer about the current team.

Added to that the "homer" ref who did them a few favours last night has left a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths.
Without that ref and the added fact the Croat goalie is not that great Brazil would have really struggled last night.

So I sincerly hope that a not so great Brazil team, with more than a few passengers, do not get to a final because we might see a situation like the Rugby WC in NZ where the ref affectively decided the game very much in favour of the home team.

BTW IMHO the difference between a bad ref and a corrupt ref is a bad one usually makes bad discisions for each team.
Last night I only saw only one team really suffering from his decisions.

Pele always had a high opinion of himself and he wasn't even the best player on that great Brazilian team. If the magical 1982 team had of focused more on winning and less on walking the ball into the net, they probably would have won that WC in Spain. Facing the savage Claudio Gentile and his marshaled defense didn't help matters of course. But I think all Brazil fans would agree, that this team doesn't even enter into the conversation when you judge it by the great teams of the past. Watching a Brazilian midfield bereft of guile and imagination is a first for me. And as long as they keep following the money to Europe and neutering their natural flair & ability, then I think Brazilian teams will continue to deteriorate. The best thing that could happen in the long term, is for them to come up short. Hopefully that might force some soul searching and maybe lead them back to reestablishing a link to their trademark amazing football.

jmayo wrote: »

Pele, Carlos Alberto or one of the famous ones from 1970 were asked how many of the 94 team would get on their team, to which they answered NONE.
Of coruse Romario threw a strop over that, but I would hate to hear their answer about the current team.

Taffarel would have cos the keeper in '70 was absolute muck!

Romario was class tho, everyone loved his toe-pokes

After last night's match (not that exceptional in any way), why oh why do people insist in calling it "the beautiful game"???

In the world of "sport" the cynicism in professional football is probably second only to professional wrestling

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Posted something similar in the match thread but why do so many people feel like this after last nights game? Neither team dominated and in my eyes you could say all 4 goals in the game were lucky (2x keeper mistakes, an OG and a penalty that shouldn't have been), but for none of them did it feel like Brazil cheat for any of them?

A few people said this to me today as well. Was I the only one who thought that Pletikosa wasn't at fault for the 2 Brazil goals from play?

The first one went in off the post and not many keepers would have saved it imo and the second was right in the corner.

Although he probably should have done better on the second, I wouldn't call either goal a goalkeeping error.

Is anyone else already sick of that Brazil theme song. It's especially annoying on ITV they play it every ad break aswell.

Thought Lovren wasnt great on the last one. Just go and close down the man - he backed off him and seemed to move to cover his left for some reason (even though there was no-one with Oscar in attack!). Didnt think the first one was the keepers fault either...those scuffy efforts always seem to catch keepers out.