wind power the future ? yes no?

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Actually most of that levy goes to Peat and Gas plants. :mad:
http://www.cer.ie/docs/000791/cer13130.pdf - Figures are 2013/14 PSO Forecast (Indicative)


Peat Stations: Lough Ree (100MW), Edenderry (120MW) and West Offaly (150MW) €69.2m

Gas (CAP05) Aughinish Alumina (160MW) and Tynagh (400MW) . €50.6m


REFIT & AER renewables include wind energy, small-scale hydropower,
combined heat and power (CHP) biomass (landfill gas), biomass-CHP;
biomass-anaerobic digestion and offshore wind. €40.8m


ALL the renewables combined only get 25% of the PSO levy

Which is about the same % of our energy they supply.


If you want to reduce the PSO levy by 75% then stop subsidising the smaller less efficient fossil fuel plants.

You seem to be missing the point that they are only subsided because of the presence of wind on the grid and Tynagh is one of the largest power plants in Ireland.

A lot of people dont realise that the proposed wind farms are to provide additional power to the UK market and so Ireland will not benefit from any reduction of emissions etc etc. The reason the UK market are coming here is that our politicians are corrupt greedy pushovers and would sell the countryside in a heartbeat.

If the city folk want windmills, O'Connell St is wide enough now and available for some small bribes to the right people so work away lads and see how you get on with that plan.

323 wrote: »

Agree electric vehicles will be the future, can't see present generation and distribution infrastructure, the "already established power lines" you mention, being able to support large scale deployment of these. Was not a consideration when the grid was developed generations ago, for some reason it still does not appear to be a consideration.

I don't see why they couldn't. People will be switching over gradually giving time to upgrade the network if needed, there are also high capacity charging stations being rolled out that can charge a car in 30 minutes.

We need better infrastructure, our power demands are only going to increase and any planning for the future should take into account everyone eventually switching to electric cars. Nuclear is the only way we can meet our demands without covering the entire surface of the planet with wind turbines.

My direct injection diesels with an efficiency of > 40% are as yet much more efficient and much lower polluters than any electric vehicle, unless its being charged from renewable generation, so as to the OP, Wind power for the future ? Yes!

I don't think your engine is more efficient that a large generator, I'm pretty sure if you worked it out it's cheaper to produce the power in bulk at a station and then transfer it directly to the user.

I still think once you take into account all the costs of maintaining the oil industry and keeping oil run cars on the road (the combustion engine is a much more complicated piece of engineering when compared to an electric motor) you'll find it evens out.

The batteries we're using now aren't the batteries that will encourage people to use electric cars, they're another five or so years away. But it could be straightforward to upgrade the battery pack in a car you buy today to the newer alternative.

The formula-e series will be starting up this year, they're already developing the next generation of batteries, apparently they have working prototypes it's just they're having trouble with heat.

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

they are being subsidised because wind undercuts them on price so they aren't anywhere near as economic as they were and they are in rural areas, and at the time it looked like the boom was going to continue so it would have been cheaper than building replacement plants

be sure that those plants would not have got the same financing if the contracts were signed more recently.



Tynagh isn't one of the biggest power plants in Ireland, it isn't even in the top 10 plants on the Island

Aghada
Dublin Bay
Huntstown
Moneypoint
Poolbeg
Tarbert
Whitegate

Ballylumford
Kilroot
Coolkeeragh

Also the East-West Interconnector is bigger
and if you add in Turlough hill , dispatchable hydro power is also bigger

Turlough hill is not bigger and I wasn't including NI plants or the Interconnection. Tynagh is a large plant, to say that its being subsidized because it's small is being disingenuous.

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

the main problem is a supply of cheap vanadium, otherwise it meets many requirements

not so sure about the efficiency, the economics may depend on by products like Oxygen. Then again using the oxygen means you get a higher temperature in turbine and things so better Carnot efficiency (and less oxides of nitrogen) or you could use the oxygen to burn producer gas or other fuels too poor to burn effectively in air. Or us it for the incinerators to really, really get rid of dioxins and their ilk.

That's not really what's meant by cryogenic storage as I was thinking: at the point where the energy is used, there's no burning of anything, but instead the turbine uses the rapid expansion of the liquid in to gas as it's released and heats back up to ambient temp. That needs a lot of heat, which can be gotten from the environment, but you'd need some major heat exchangers to do it efficiently.

The UK pilot program will be run at an existing power station, which offers a source of low-grade heat which currently goes to waste. (Storing low-grade heat can be done by something as low-tech as a Cowper stove, for example: a tank or a hole in the ground lined with bricks.) That heat will serve to re-heat the liquid air before the turbine, a major improvement to the efficiency of the process as a whole.

What we need is more windmills - one in everyones back yard. There is room for about 50 turbines in the parks of South Co.Dublin. We should start there since CRO records show that about 90% of the wind investors reside there. Once we get one up in everyone's back yard, our electricity bills will be No.1 highest instead of No.4 in EU. Nobody will want to live here except people from South Co.Dublin. We will have reduced farming carbon emissions by half as they will less land to pollute. Plus we will have a load more thermal plant to help us keep the lights on.

donegal__road wrote: »

I have made a couple of changes to your post, this has already happened in Donegal.. and that is the attitude that the companies erecting the windmills have towards the locals. My electricity bill is going up, yet every fcuking direction I look there are windmills on the horizon.

Yes but think of how happy you make people of South Co.Dublin. They take some of your money off you (which alleviates the need for you to worry about money and what to do with it) plus they recoup their tax back on their massive salaries which in all fairness, is very unjust paying 56% of your earnings in tax.

You should be proud and happy that you are making sacrifices for the good of South Dublin, I mean the country.