Numbers coming home from Australia?

Woofstuff · 09-06-2014 03:11PM

Australia is awesome, its not easy there but the unemployment rate is less than 6% whereas in Ireland its just shy of 12%. Property prices are mad though in the two big cities.

Anyway, if your gonna be broke, might as well have decent weather.

catbear · 09-06-2014 03:28PM

Woofstuff wrote: »

Australia is awesome, its not easy there but the unemployment rate is less than 6% whereas in Ireland its just shy of 12%. Property prices are mad though in the two big cities.

According to the ABS (australian bureau of statistics):

a person who has worked for one hour or more for payment or someone who has worked without pay in a family business, is considered employed regardless of whether they consider themselves employed or not.

Make of it what you will but Ray Morgan puts the real Australian unemployment rate at around 10%.

Totally agree about being broke in a nicer climate!

whirlpool · 09-06-2014 03:39PM

catbear wrote: »

According to the ABS (australian bureau of statistics):

Make of it what you will but Ray Morgan puts the real Australian unemployment rate at around 10%.

Totally agree about being broke in a nicer climate!

"a person who has worked for one hour or more for payment or someone who has worked without pay in a family business, is considered employed regardless of whether they consider themselves employed or not."

That is deceptive as fcuk!

whirlpool · 09-06-2014 03:40PM

Banjo String wrote: »

No way? Numbers is coming home?

I was talking to his da in the pub this evening. He never mentioned it. (maybe hes surprising him)

(and I hope auld number doesn't think I've forgotten he owes me thirty five euro either)

Cannot stop laughing at this!

catbear · 09-06-2014 03:52PM

whirlpool wrote: »

That is deceptive as fcuk!

It makes the Irish governments hiding of unemployed in JobsBridge look positively progressive.

The Diabolical Monocle · 09-06-2014 04:49PM

Mad4simmental wrote: »

Their are thousands coming home and I was one of them. Every friend of mine abroad will not be far behind me.

Was it the veritable feast of opportunity in Ireland that brought you back ??

Banjo String · 09-06-2014 07:58PM

the groutch wrote: »

then you'd be owed €38.50

10% Commission for number.

jank · 10-06-2014 03:38AM

catbear wrote: »

Budweiser is considered Premium Beer!
Beer like leffe that can be bought for €5 for a four pack in Lidl in Ireland can cost almost the same as one bottle in an bottle shop in Perth! Even their good local craft beer is really expensive in comparison, the last time I was back in Ireland a new craft pub was I drank was easily half the price. The wages may be good here but whatever advantage is lost to cost of living.

On the other hand there are smashing wines that are really cheap here and most places are BYO.

People who give out about the food in OZ are generally people who eat nothing else but Spuds and Cabbage with a bit of fatty bacon that they think is meat. The level of choice in the food you can eat here far outstrips anything on offer in Ireland.

pragmatic1 · 10-06-2014 03:46AM

Shame. The asshole contingent of my town had reduced considerably since some folks moved to OZ.

dave3004 · 10-06-2014 03:55AM

Living in Melbourne and there is a feeling around that the oz 'buzz' is fading. Maybe I'm just getting old but lots of people I know recently have moved back. Not alot of people arriving

AngryHippie · 10-06-2014 04:06AM

catbear wrote: »

more religious freaks than Ireland,

Do you mean the freaks are more religious, or there are more people with freakish religious convictions ?

I have come across a few door to door baptist and Jehovahs Witnesses, but you get the latter at home anyway, other than that, you really do have to go looking for them in my experience.
As for people with freakish convictions, I do recollect people at home who would defend the RCC despite their behavior and treatment of their now countless victims, they would never say nor hear a bad word about a priest or bishop etc. and would attend mass a couple of times a week, and without fail on Sundays.
That to my mind is much more freakish than singing a few songs and drinking some tea on a Sunday morning (whenever you can make it) after listening to a bit of bible talk (My experience of a service I went to recently)

Either way, I disagree. I haven't encountered that many freaks at all, most seem to be fairly personal about their religion, one way or another, and the certainly haven't spent 700 years burning, shooting and blowing each other up over it.

JONJO THE MISER · 10-06-2014 04:25AM

jank wrote: »

People who give out about the food in OZ are generally people who eat nothing else but Spuds and Cabbage with a bit of fatty bacon that they think is meat. The level of choice in the food you can eat here far outstrips anything on offer in Ireland.

You cant be serious.
You mean sausages that taste like dog food, very few butcher shops, only biscuits they have are tim tams etc

AngryHippie · 10-06-2014 05:05AM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

You cant be serious.
You mean sausages that taste like dog food, very few butcher shops, only biscuits they have are tim tams etc

Good Lad.

You can get penguin bars, hob nobs and digestives in most Coles and Woolworths now. Aside from the huge range of Australian biscuits available in the supermarkets, and the huge number of bakeries that still survive in Oz. compared to those that have been crushed out of the market at home by Tesco and Dunnes.

If you buy the cheapest sausages anywhere, they will taste like/are dogfood.
Go to a butchers and they will have top notch own recipe sausages, even Coles and Woolworths are carrying a wide range of decent sausages now.

Out of curiosity, how long has it been since Aus. fell out with you and you had to leave ?
You might want to leave it alone one of these days. It's making you look silly now.

catbear · 10-06-2014 05:05AM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

You cant be serious.
You mean sausages that taste like dog food, very few butcher shops, only biscuits they have are tim tams etc

Too flipping right. Coles and Woolies between them control 80% of the grocery market and their stranglehold shows in the poor value. Your average medium sized town in ireland has more choice and much better value than the big cities here. And then there's the restricted trading hours that feel like 1980s Ireland, it's only in the last two years that grocery trading on Sundays in most Perth suburbs was allowed.

However I love Kangaroo meat but the locals think it's strictly pet food even though it's really healthy stuff, they'd prefer really horrible sausages, chips for breakfast, chips for lunch and chips for dinner. I call it the Blackpool diet! I've gone to top rated restaurants on Urbanspoon that served stuff that was obviously straight out of a box but because it wasn't burger and chips some locals think it's high class. Michelin are taking their time getting here!

Plenty of good asian options although I always have to ask for really spicy as the locals seem to be afraid of it, they prefer their horrible bland watered down buttered chicken. To be fair it's probably more a Perth thing though.
I heard a gyneocologist on the local radio stating that the sharp increase in cesareans was because more than half of pregnant mothers were obese or seriously overweight, not surprising when a lot of eating out here is done in a car park.

From the Conversation

The world’s largest commercial real estate services firm, CBRE, tracks the presence of 326 of the world’s most prominent retail brands across 208 cities in 73 countries.

Australia ranks 30th, trailing Qatar, Russia, Poland and Thailand, and is only just ahead of Hungary. Melbourne is our most international city at equal #61 with Bucharest, but behind Jeddah, Birmingham and Shenzen.

Wow, Australia's right up there with Bucharest!

jank · 10-06-2014 05:37AM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

You cant be serious.
You mean sausages that taste like dog food, very few butcher shops, only biscuits they have are tim tams etc

Yea the Irish sausage is the only food available to man kind.

AngryHippie · 10-06-2014 05:46AM

catbear wrote: »

Too flipping right. Coles and Woolies between them control 80% of the grocery market and their stranglehold shows in the poor value. I've gone to top rated restaurants on Urbanspoon that served stuff that was obviously straight out of a box but because it wasn't burger and chips some locals think it's high class. Michelin are taking their time getting here!

Do you think Urbanspoon is that good of a guide ?
I've found it to be very inconsistent even with top quality restaurants and pubs everywhere I've gone. I don't even use it anymore, as people tend to get hung up on the little things they personally liked/didn't like.

Your average medium sized town in ireland has more choice and much better value than the big cities here.PERTH. And then there's the restricted trading hours that feel like 1980s Ireland in PERTH, it's only in the last two years that grocery trading on Sundays in most Perth suburbs was allowed.

Ah, Perth is a kip is it ?

Comparing Perth to the rest of Australia, is kind of similar to comparing Belmullet to the rest of Ireland FWIW.

There is a 24 hour supermarket (Woolworths) 10 minutes away from me.
My Local Coles is 9-9 7 days a week. For comparison, the nearest town with the same service in Ireland was 20 minutes away.
Can we not let JTM derail another thread by making it about sausages ?:rolleyes:
I'm heading home later this week for a break, and I really hope it's improved from the last time I was there.

Wow, Australia's right up there with Bucharest!

I think you are missing an important point on what that article is driving at there.
The biggest Retail Brands are struggling to break into the Australian Market.
Big Whoop de-doo. Who would want Costco here or Wallmart ?
I think that local suppliers and retailers, particularly of food, do a better job in any case.
I think that being further down that list is a better place to be.

desultory · 10-06-2014 05:49AM

AngryHippie wrote: »

I'm heading home later this week for a break, and I really hope it's improved from the last time I was there.

The place is good

the people are touch and go

catbear · 10-06-2014 05:53AM

AngryHippie wrote: »

Do you mean the freaks are more religious, or there are more people with freakish religious convictions ?

Have you heard their prime minister? I'll let him speak for himself.

And he is now the elected Prime Minister!

Interesting he used Jesus flipping the traders tables in the temple as they seem very welcome since he got to power, $5m gets you residency on a 888 visa!

To add to Desultory's reply to AngryHippie, the mood in Ireland is much changed for the better than a year or so before, it's as if people have gotten tired of gloom. Having said that any town that was reliant on house building during the bubble is still pretty downbeat. I really enjoyed it whereas my previous visit in 2011 I couldn't wait to get away from the gloom!

catbear · 10-06-2014 06:12AM

AngryHippie wrote: »

The biggest Retail Brands are struggling to break into the Australian Market.
Big Whoop de-doo. Who would want Costco here or Wallmart ?
I think that local suppliers and retailers, particularly of food, do a better job in any case.
I think that being further down that list is a better place to be.

Woolies and Coles are scared of Aldi, they've tried to block their expansion at every turn. Lidl and Aldi were in Ireland certainly shook up the Irish market for the better.

AngryHippie · 10-06-2014 06:24AM

catbear wrote: »

Have you heard their prime minister? I'll let him speak for himself.

As with their last prime minister, he is only as Australian as I am.
He's a Pom. And the last one was Welsh.

I'm not arguing that he's not a bloody idiot, because he is.
He will be a pretty short-lived puppet once he starts to hurt big Malcolm's party.

Just another opinionated nodding assclown.

But if we are going to go there, we could easily compare his credibility with that of our own Michael Noonan, or Cowen, or Ahern (in his day).
They only get the job because they want it the most.
Which should (in a sense) preclude them from getting it.

Woolies and Coles are scared of Aldi, they've tried to block their expansion at every turn.

Of course they have, it's self preservation. they don't want the competition.
Unfortunately all of those options further erode the market of the suppliers of the (IMO) highest quality goods (local business - butcher, baker, greengrocer)
-Least preservatives, Lowest Food/km, Freshest Produce, Competetive price.

Central Purchasing is killing all of these local providers, the same silent death that local business suffered in Ireland in the noughties.

catbear · 10-06-2014 06:44AM

Actually the current duopoly leaves the suppliers with fewer outlets and the buyers then dictates range and quality by what's most profitable.

More buyers is better for producers. I remember the scare tactics used against MacDonald's when they first entered Ireland, the constant scrutiny that they were subjected actually greatly improved higene and quality standards that ironically ended up closing a few imcumbants.
The same nonsense is been thrown at aldi now, Aussie grown means nothing in Coles/woolies when they import prebake bread from Ireland.

Zambia · 10-06-2014 06:52AM

I agree that people will also be flooding to and from oz.

Billy86 · 10-06-2014 09:06AM

catbear wrote: »

A damp day in Ireland won't kill you whereas oz has crocs, sunburn, sharks, ripcurls, bushfires, stingrays, snakes, spiders, women who look like men, angry drunks, racist rednecks, more religious freaks than Ireland, crap beer, crap food................

What the fook am I still doing here?

Oh yeah, the money.

The food in Australia was brilliant I thought, and well priced despite what so many people love to claim (Sydney at least, you would pay an arm and two legs for a burger in Perth). I would murder half my family for another meat pie from hamlets in Manly. Laksa too, its borderline impossible to find any at all in Ireland.

You are right about the beer though, only so much of that ultra fizzy crap I can handle. Pure Blonde wasn't that bad (but wasn't exactly great), and the rest... ugh. Also despite how much I loved the place (couldn't get my 457 visa once they clamped down in 2012, which is why I came back... off to Canada in a few weeks!). That and the ruby league obsession, two thins I just could not understand.

Banjo String · 10-06-2014 09:27AM

Lot of hate for Australia here.

Give me walking down to work at 5am, lovely warm air, kookaburras, parrakeets and cockatoos chirping, cackling and squawking in the air, doing an honest days work for an honest days pay, and finished work, and bobbing up and down in the waves of manly beach by 2pm over my 9-6 here anyway.

I was offered a decent job back in Oz on the western coast a year and a half ago, sadly my wife's a home bird. So it's not so sunny Ireland for me. :mad:

And for those complaining about the ozzie beer.

Coopers. That is all.

Billy86 · 10-06-2014 09:34AM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

You cant be serious.
You mean sausages that taste like dog food, very few butcher shops, only biscuits they have are tim tams etc

First, pods. Snickers pods. If you do not like them, you need to have your tongue removed.

The lack of decent pork sausages and pudding is disappointing, but on the plus side you get Turkish bread sandwiches... that stuff is just awesome. The seafood is leagues ahead of almost anything on offer here across the board, their cheeses are quality (lack of red cheddar aside), their Italian and greek foods are also great from all the immigrants there, same wit Lebanese and Indian food. And the choice and quality of Asian food is out of this world. As much as Ireland as come on leaps and bounds (and still is) with having a high quality range of foods in the last 10 or 12 years, it is better over there in my opinion, and is considerably easier to ave a satisfying and affordable healthy diet (in Sydney, at least).

You can (or in 2012, could) but a kilo of quality fillet steak for about $22 in Paddys Market in Sydney on the weekends, and a kilo or most fruit and veg for $2 or less, as well being able to et some really strange/exotic stuff pretty cheap too.

I will not even et started on Breadtop.

The cost of limes over there completely baffles me, though.

suicide_circus · 10-06-2014 09:42AM

^^^22 dollaridoos for a kg of fillet steak is amazing, hows the quality?

Billy86 · 10-06-2014 10:01AM

Banjo String wrote: »

Lot of hate for Australia here.

Give me walking down to work at 5am, lovely warm air, kookaburras, parrakeets and cockatoos chirping, cackling and squawking in the air, doing an honest days work for an honest days pay, and finished work, and bobbing up and down in the waves of manly beach by 2pm over my 9-6 here anyway.

AND THE INVINCIBLE FLIES WHO WILL SWARM AROUND YOUR FACE AND MAKE YOU FECKLESSLY AT THEM SO FRANTICALLY THAT YOU PROBABLY LOOK LIKE A CRACKHEAD TO PASSERS BY!!! :mad:

Was not mad on Cooper either to be honest; more or less all the Aussie brands struck me as much of a muchness.

Billy86 · 10-06-2014 10:17AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

^^^22 dollaridoos for a kg of fillet steak is amazing, hows the quality?

Its not the best fillet steak you will ever have, but it is still good quality and especially for the price (usually as some of that lovely marbled fat in there too)... you would be hard pressed to find better value for money for any cut of meat anywhere in the whole country. The thing is I assume the steak would cost more on Saturday, and possibly early on Sunday, but you run the chance of it being sold out if you leave it too late, and the place is a completely packed madhouse just before closing. If you live anywhere from Darling harbour to Ultimo it is probably worth your while dropping in once or twice over the weekend to check it out.

There is a seafood place in the small shopping centre above Paddys that has some really good stuff on occasion too, back corner beside the Asian supermarket, well worth checking out. Apparently most of the restaurants around the area (and there are loads of them) do their shopping there, in Paddys, and in of course in the fish market.

The thing is timing and luck though... Paddys is closed Mon, Tues and Wednesday, so the best time to go is Sunday afternoon when they are desperately trying to get rid of everything left (you can get an absolute tonne of fruit and veg, and the steak for under fifty dollars).

I was also able to find lobsters in the fish market for $3 or $4 dollars each. If you are smart with your money in Sydney, it can go a long, long way.

Banjo String · 10-06-2014 10:28AM

Billy86 wrote: »

Was not mad on Cooper either to be honest; more or less all the Aussie brands struck me as much of a muchness.

Ah man. Coopers sparkling ale ftw. OBriens do it here. My beer of choice it is simply delicious.

catbear · 10-06-2014 10:50AM

Banjo String wrote: »

Ah man. Coopers sparkling ale ftw. OBriens do it here. My beer of choice it is simply delicious.

Interesting you mention availibility, last time in Ireland Dunne's had beerlao, can't get it here but it was still cheaper than the local crap in australia.
I think they superchill their beer so tastebuds are numbed sufficiently to mask the lack of taste. Gassy piss you wouldn't give a dingo.

Numbers coming home from Australia?

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