Manchester United Superthread 2014 mod warning #8081

homerjay2005 wrote: »

not a fan of them myself, a strong manager and CEO should be enough. if we need a director of football, then there one of them is not strong enough to do their job.

id like to think an discrepancies Woodward has will be sorted quickly by Van Gaal.

Utd's CEO is a banker and we will more than likely see a new manager at the helm every few years. I think there is a gap there that needs to be filled between the two that ensures smoother transitions between managers and continuity in approach to youth setup, scouting, transfer market, etc.

So this popped up on my tweetdeck..



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If we took that approach that you suggest then lets say Moyes hired a DOF with his sense of style then we'd be stuck with a DOF trying to implement an awful style of play.

I do agree we should have someone recruiting players but only on the current managers say so. I think they should be a figure head but should not be in charge of identifying players and buying them. That just spells disaster.

I'm thinking of a David Beckham type figure who can wine and dine players and agents and convince them to join United but only after the manager has told him who to go get.

GSPfan wrote: »

If we took that approach that you suggest then lets say Moyes hired a DOF with his sense of style then we'd be stuck with a DOF trying to implement an awful style of play.

I do agree we should have someone recruiting players but only on the current managers say so. I think they should be a figure head but should not be in charge of identifying players and buying them. That just spells disaster.

I'm thinking of a David Beckham type figure who can wine and dine players and agents and convince them to join United but only after the manager has told him who to go get.

That's why the initial appointment is the most important You hire someone attractive who has experience working with young players and make sure that if you're really planning on building something, you make certain that everyone throughout each level at the club knows what the score is and knows what they're meant to be creating and how. Once that is created properly then in many respects replacing coaching personnel is simple in that you're just trying to propagate the original premise.

It's better than, replacing a manager every few years with someone who is allowed tear up the book and make their own rules.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i honestly dont think we will need that with LVG now on board.

I hope so. I'll agree at the end of the current window if we actually sign someone decent.

Adamcp898 wrote: »

That's why the initial appointment is the most important You hire someone attractive who has experience working with young players and make sure that if you're really planning on building something, you make certain that everyone throughout each level at the club knows what the score is and knows what they're meant to be creating and how. Once that is created properly then in many respects replacing coaching personnel is simple in that you're just trying to propagate the original premise.

It's better than, replacing a manager every few years with someone who is allowed tear up the book and make their own rules.

I dont disagree with the idea of it. I just think its riddled with difficulty. So who is to blame if the style of the first team is shoite? The manager or the DOF?

And is the DOF a former manager or coach? Is he gonna think he should be manager if the current manager isn't doing what he wants him to do?

If say Ferguson is our DOF and he suggests Moyes is the man to continue his style and it bombs big time, What do you do now cause surely LvG is ruled out cause he wont implement Fergies style. No top coach would. So who is gonna be manager?

You see what i mean. I can think of a dozen major fails with this set up.

DM-ICE wrote: »

Can the manager not do this himself?

With transfers its a person who can convince the club to do business at the right price that is needed more than someone to convince a player. The person who should deal with clubs doesn't have to be a known football figure.

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When it comes to a Director of Football, different clubs have different functions for that role and at many clubs the roles we associate with that job are carried out by more than one person.

For example, Brian McClair is the head of the youth academy at United.

1. Yes the manager can do that but a lot of big clubs have club legends hanging around to sell the club to players.

2. We are failing big time with a financial guy in charge of transfers so not sure your declaration is correct. This is a suggestion to try something else.

The majority of good managers are going to want to pick their own players to buy and sell. So if you're planning on hiring good managers, DOFs will cause unnecessary aggravation far too often.

I would much rather that United are slow in the odd transfer window during managerial transitions than that a DOF is appointed and causes problems for the manager all the time.

GSPfan wrote: »

I dont disagree with the idea of it. I just think its riddled with difficulty. So who is to blame if the style of the first team is shoite? The manager or the DOF?

And is the DOF a former manager or coach? Is he gonna think he should be manager if the current manager isn't doing what he wants him to do?

If say Ferguson is our DOF and he suggests Moyes is the man to continue his style and it bombs big time, What do you do now cause surely LvG is ruled out cause he wont implement Fergies style. No top coach would. So who is gonna be manager?

You see what i mean. I can think of a dozen major fails with this set up.

It's a long term set up, ideally you would hire a manager capable of constructing not just a first team but also would have knowledge of how to design a youth structure so that at all levels the purpose and pathway to how it helps the first team are clear to see. And of course one with a favourable playing style would be preferred.

The DoF should be appointed by the manager or whomever has created the playing structure of the club, they should have a respected stature in the game from a player's perspective as they will need a good grounding in the playing ideals which the club wants to create and build, and also someone whom potential signings will respect as they will have a role in identifying and acquiring them.
Their main purpose however is to facilitate continuity from one manager to the next having a major say in appointing someone who will not attempt to reconstruct what has already been built.

I don't really have time to go into major detail about the specifics of each person's role and how they would change with time and stage the club is in of its development.

Nothing is fool proof, there are many flaws which can be pointed out with any system, it's how it's implemented which ultimately decides if it's a success or not.
But I can think of much more than a dozen flaws with a system which allows each succeeding manager to rip up anything the previous one has built, and who has been appointed on the major factor being the hope they're ''the one'' and will hang around for two decades.

So..........in the space of a day we've been told we are back in for Kroos and are now trying to hijack Chelsea's signing of Fabergas.WTF kind of list did LVG give Woodward or is he just slow at reading?

zerks wrote: »

So..........in the space of a day we've been told we are back in for Kroos and are now trying to hijack Chelsea's signing of Fabergas.WTF kind of list did LVG give Woodward or is he just slow at reading?

1) These lists are fictional; 2) The papers have no real stories to write.

As I see it, the idea of the manager having complete control comes from an era when teams were football clubs first and businesses second. That dynamic has changed, now some of these clubs are multi-national enterprises worth billions, so its not surprising that accepted roles within the clubs will change.

What other multi-national would allow one man below board level the power that somebody like Alex Ferguson had? Beyond the likes of Steve Jobs not very many I imagine. The likes of Fergie and Wenger retained that power through longevity, they had been there before the dynamic really started to change and retained their roles, but in the future I really can't see that happening again.

I'd say within ten years every club will have a director of football, and when you look at United currently its hard not to see why. Currently we seem to be dead in the water waiting for one man to come back from the world cup, where else would you see it? In ten/twenty years it will be more like the American model, a first team coach working below a general manager.

I'm reading Pirlo's book at the moment. I'm only half way through it but what's struck me most is just how loyal he is towards certain players and managers.

He claims that in 2009 he was a signature away from signing for Chelsea all because Ancelotti was taking over. No wonder nobody wanted to play for United last season under Moyes!

I reckon LvG will have that same aura about him for certain players, especially now that he's back at club level. Storrtman will sign I reckon.

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