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TheTownie · 08-06-2014 11:46PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Even my tiny home GAA club has floodlights, I am actually amazed that Carrington doesn't have them already!

Carrington has indoor pitches which I'd imagine is why they didn't bother with them until now.

K4t · 08-06-2014 11:50PM

Timmyctc wrote: »

24. Negredo

So off the top of my very, very hungover head. There's 37 better players than Danny Welbeck in the league.

Firstly, Welbeck is as good as if not better than the majority of players you listed.

Look at Negredo for example. I know it's his first season in the league but he is 28 (Welbeck is 23) and is considered to have had a good season and be an excellent player. Negredo played 33 times for the title winning side this season, scoring 9 goals and with 3 assists. Compare this to Welbeck who played just 25 league games and also scored 9 goals with one assist in a team that struggled throughout the season and finished in 7th place. Consider also that most of Welbeck's games he was out wide playing with more defensive duties than Negredo who played up front. Also consider Welbeck's excellent performance against Bayern in the CL which Negredo could never do without support from world class teammates such as toure, silva etc. This is just one example from your list.

Timmyctc · 09-06-2014 12:07AM

K4t wrote: »

Firstly, Welbeck is as good as if not better than the majority of players you listed.

Look at Negredo for example. I know it's his first season in the league but he is 28 (Welbeck is 23) and is considered to have had a good season and be an excellent player. Negredo played 33 times for the title winning side this season, scoring 9 goals and with 3 assists. Compare this to Welbeck who played just 25 league games and also scored 9 goals with one assist in a team that struggled throughout the season and finished in 7th place. Consider also that most of Welbeck's games he was out wide playing with more defensive duties than Negredo who played up front. Also consider Welbeck's excellent performance against Bayern in the CL which Negredo could never do without support from world class teammates such as toure, silva etc. This is just one example from your list.

Negredo is a better player overall though. Sure last season did Negredo not bag upwards of 30 goals or something? This has been a great season for Welbeck and by anyone elses standards its been average.

He's had three seasons with the club proper and he's had two average and one awful season.

In Negredo's first season in English football he had an average season by his own standards but still far better than Welbeck's.

And that is just one example from my list. Welbeck played nearly 40 games this season and scored 10. I think Negredo played 9 or 10 more games and scored 14 more goals.

K4t · 09-06-2014 12:13AM

Timmyctc wrote: »

Negredo is a better player overall though. .

I disagree. Welbeck is a far more intelligent and technically gifted player, Negredo is a better finisher which Welbeck should be given time and opportunity to improve. And he is improving, scoring 9 in the league which equals Negredo's return in less games.

Timmyctc · 09-06-2014 12:15AM

K4t wrote: »

I disagree. Welbeck is a far more intelligent and technically gifted player, Negredo is a better finisher which Welbeck should be given time and opportunity to improve. And he is improving, scoring 9 in the league which equals Negredo's return in less games.

Right. But Negredo scored 23 in all comps and Welbeck scored 10.

GSPfan · 09-06-2014 12:16AM

Am I the only one confused as to what side of the arguement everyone is on regarding Welbeck? Not sure who is argueing for him and against him being in the top 50.

Or is it just who can name 50 players better than him?

Timmyctc · 09-06-2014 12:18AM

GSPfan wrote: »

Am I the only one confused as to what side of the arguement everyone is on regarding Welbeck? Not sure who is argueing for him and against him being in the top 50.

Or is it just who can name 50 players better than him?

I don't really care how many players are better than him I just saw a challenge and tried to accept it :pac:

The_Kew_Tour · 09-06-2014 12:23AM

Italian papers running the Pogba story tomorrow which is interesting although still think its a strange one and hard to see how it can come about.

GSPfan · 09-06-2014 12:25AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Italian papers running the Pogba story tomorrow which is interesting although still think its a strange one and hard to see how it can come about.

His brothers tweet set it off. Or a twitter account claiming as much. Weird one.

GSPfan · 09-06-2014 12:30AM

Just checked twitter about it. The official Crewe Alexander twitter is saying Mathias Pogba has no twitter account.

Ah well. Looks like we're keeping our €60 million.

The_Kew_Tour · 09-06-2014 12:34AM

GSPfan wrote: »

Just checked twitter about it. The official Crewe Alexander twitter is saying Mathias Pogba has no twitter account.

Ah well. Looks like we're keeping our €60 million.

This apparently is saying Moyes wanted him and that interest to get him back. That's if my translator is correct.

It seems odd anyway.

GSPfan · 09-06-2014 12:47AM

Cannot wait for Friday to see Holland beat Spain and us all giddy at the thoughts of how good we will be.

Wonder which few players will do a Poboraky and make a name for themselves off the back of one tournament.

glued · 09-06-2014 01:01AM

Memo to all journalists linking players to Manchester United.

Start by creating a rumour linking some player to United. In the unlikely event that the player actually signs then use the following to explain the reasoning behind the failure for the transfer to materialise:

1. On Moyes' "list", but not on van Gaals' "list"
2. Blame Edward "Angel of Death" Woodward

NTMK · 09-06-2014 07:15AM

England full-back Luke Shaw told Southampton on the final day of the Premier League season that he wanted to join Manchester United.
The 18-year-old defender spoke to the Saints hierarchy at an event held at a hotel following the 1-1 home draw with United on 11 May.

By that time, United had already made a £27m offer for the left-back.

Southampton will not consider allowing any more of their players to leave until a new manager is appointed.

England striker Rickie Lambert has already been sold to Liverpool, while club captain Adam Lallana has been the subject of multiple bids from the Anfield club.

Saints hope to appoint a successor to manager Mauricio Pochettino, who joined Tottenham in late May, within the next 10 days, with former Dutch international Ronald Koeman a leading candidate for the post.

Shaw, though, has made his intentions clear.

The youngster had been asked to clarify his future quickly, with England manager Roy Hodgson making it clear he wanted squad members to sort out proposed transfers before the World Cup begins on 12 June.

Southampton, however, will only sell if the circumstances are right.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27758163

Deiseboy01 · 09-06-2014 07:25AM

Times running a story saying that Utd will allow Fellaini to leave for 15m.

Based on what I've seen of him I'd take that in a heartbeat.

Vinz Mesrine · 09-06-2014 07:51AM

kryogen wrote: »

Name 50 better players, genuinely interested to see this.

If i was making a squad of premier league players, all of these would be in it ahead of Welbeck:

Arteta
Cazorla
Flamini
Giroud
Koscielny
Mertesacker
Oxlade-Chamberlain
Ozil
Podolski
Ramsey
Sagna
Vermaelen
Walcott

Benteke
Delph
Weimann

Caulker
Medel
Mutch

Cech
Schurrle
De Bruyne
Ivanovic
Azpilicueta
Oscar
Hazard
Etoo
Ramires
Willian
Torres
Ba
Cahill
Lukaku

Baines
Jagielka
McCarthy
Coleman
Distin
Mirallas
Pienaar
Barkley

Agger
Allen
Borini
Gerrard
Henderson
Johnson(possibly)
Enrique
Mignolet
Lucas
Sakho
Skrtel
Suarez
Sturridge
Sterling
Coutinho
Flanagan

Aguero
Clichy
Dzeko
Fernandinho
Hart
Silva
Kolarov
Kompany
Milner
Nasri
Navas
Negredo
Zabaleta

DeGea
Carrick
Hernandez
Evans
Mata
Nani
Rooney
Van Persie
Rafael
Kagawa

Ben Arfa
Remy
Sissoko

Fer
Redmond

Clyne
Cork
Lallana
Schneiderlen
Shaw
Rodriguez
Lovren

Begovic

Bony
Britton
De Guzman
Hernandez

Dembele
Lloris
Vertonghen
Sigurdsson
Walker
Eriksen

beno619 · 09-06-2014 07:56AM

That list is hilarious I'm on mobile so can't refute it yet, didn't you mention you havnt seen much of him ?

The Cardiff, Villa and Norwich players included are especially ridiculous.

For the sake of simplicity defenders really shouldn't be on the list as I would argue Welbeck is superior to Merterzacker.

Giroud is an awful footballer Welbeck would be a solid upgrade for Arsenal.

GSPfan · 09-06-2014 08:02AM

If Fellaini is allowed leave we must be bringing in at least two central midfielders then. At least. Who would buy Fellaini though? West Ham? Stoke? Thats some drop down for him.

I wouldn't be against any player leaving at this stage if it means Van Gaal gets who he wants and isn't stuck with who he has.

Bounty Hunter · 09-06-2014 08:05AM

beno619 wrote: »

That list is hilarious I'm on mobile so can't refute it yet, didn't you mention you havnt seen much of him ?

The Cardiff, Villa and Norwich players included are especially ridiculous.

For the sake of simplicity defenders really shouldn't be on the list as I would argue Welbeck is superior to Merterzacker.

Giroud is an awful footballer Welbeck would be a solid upgrade for Arsenal.

I feel like well beck is being over rated somewhat on this thread recently. He's not a bad player but I don't think any villa or arsenal fan would consider him an upgrade on benteke or Giroud and considering both are strikers and easier to compare with another striker I'll stop there though I feel mertesecker gets criminally underrated at times

tallaghtmick · 09-06-2014 08:09AM

I'd like to see Fellaini get 1 more year at least, he was riddled with injuries last season.

homerjay2005 · 09-06-2014 08:10AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Italian papers running the Pogba story tomorrow which is interesting although still think its a strange one and hard to see how it can come about.

all coming from Daniel Taylors radio interview on Thursday, he is the one that started this though of course it could also be a case that other lads have got the story from the same source as he did.

Al Capwned · 09-06-2014 08:11AM

Danny Welbeck is criminally underrated by a lot of posters on here imo.

Crimson King · 09-06-2014 08:12AM

There are at least 4 players I would sell on faster than Fellaini. Whilst not world class he is certainly a decent back up and will be interesting to see if he has a good World Cup, suddenly fickle fans will remember why we wanted him in the first place.

Young, Cleverley, Valencia and Fletcher. If those players are still at the club come the new season I will be very disappointed. Carrick is good enough as a back up, even at his age.

Welbeck is steadily improving every season and with a manager who appreciates home grown talent I expect Van Gaal to improve him even further.

Lucas Hood · 09-06-2014 08:12AM

Al Capwned wrote: »

Danny Welbeck is criminally underrated by a lot of posters on here imo.

He's also criminally overrated by a lot of posters on here imo. He's somewhere in the middle really.

GSPfan · 09-06-2014 08:12AM

Louis van Gaal was talking about Hollands upcoming game against Chile and he said he admires the Chile players as they like to attack and also he likes Vidal as he wanted to buy him from Leverkusen but he went to Juventus.

So can we officially say Vidal is on his list?

tallaghtmick · 09-06-2014 08:18AM

Hey guys guess what.....

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Club-News/2014/Jun/manchester-united-announces-sponsorship-agreement-with-cho-a-pharm.aspx

beno619 · 09-06-2014 08:22AM

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

I feel like well beck is being over rated somewhat on this thread recently. He's not a bad player but I don't think any villa or arsenal fan would consider him an upgrade on benteke or Giroud and considering both are strikers and easier to compare with another striker I'll stop there though I feel mertesecker gets criminally underrated at times

Il give you Benteke, but Giroud really is a poor footballer and his goalscoring is average, Welbeck would fly at Arsenal.

Merterzacker is a good defender so really shouldn't be compared but Welbeck is a better footballer in terms of touch and technique.

Mitch Connor · 09-06-2014 08:26AM

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Hey guys guess what.....

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Club-News/2014/Jun/manchester-united-announces-sponsorship-agreement-with-cho-a-pharm.aspx

Phew, I was beginning to think Woodward was going to get any deals done before the World Cup.

Robson99 · 09-06-2014 08:26AM

Being linked with Jordi Alba this morning though I cant see Barca letting him go. Top player Alba

Maximus Alexander · 09-06-2014 08:26AM

I think Welbeck would run riot at Arsenal. Just seems like he'd fit in there.

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