Multiple People Shot in Walmart Las Vegas 5 Dead (Curently) in Suicide Pact

darkpagandeath · 09-06-2014 12:27AM

Davei141 wrote: »

So no guns = no mass killings is that how it goes? Keep dreaming.

Yes no guns = No mass Gun killings that's how it works.

o1s1n wrote: »

Building a bomb and having it detonate successfully is a tad more difficult than pulling a trigger.

The US isn't shy of bombings though. Remember the pressure cooker one recently at the marathon?

Terror attacks are slightly different to Joe public getting hold of a gun and going on a mass shooting spree don't you think ?

Davei141 · 09-06-2014 12:31AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yes no guns = No mass Gun killings that's how it works.

Genius. How about no people = no mass killings? or no death = no mass killings. So we are pigeon holing mass killings based on how they are carried out and what instruments are used. That is a sound position to take...

TeddyTedson · 09-06-2014 12:31AM

Davei141 wrote: »

"Tighten up the gun laws!"

Yeah because people in America will not have access to the millions of weapons in circulation because the laws are stricter.

This a society wide problem of wanting to be infamous in death. Guns are once again the symptom not the cause, but don't let that stop the lazy agenda pushers.

Yeah because there wouldn't be a gun amnesty or anything, that would be madness.

darkpagandeath · 09-06-2014 12:32AM

Davei141 wrote: »

Genius. How about no people = no mass killings? or no death = no mass killings. So we are pigeon holing mass killings based on how they are carried out and what instruments are used. That is a sound position to take...

What's that have to do with no gun = no mass gun killings ? your grasping at straws to make out guns are not that bad. Care to read the title of the thread ?

Davei141 · 09-06-2014 12:33AM

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Yeah because there wouldn't be a gun amnesty or anything, that would be madness.

This is fantasy stuff, do you even believe the crap you are typing?

Witchie · 09-06-2014 12:34AM

poisonated wrote: »

Vegas is a fairly dangerous spot. I was in that cicis before. Odd!

I was in that Walmart. While Vegas can be dangerous there doesn't seem to be more of this type of incident there. It's crazy that they give guns to anyone over there.

Davei141 · 09-06-2014 12:36AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

What's that have to do with no gun = no mass gun killings ? your grasping at straws to make out guns are not that bad.

I give up. You've got me with the excellently placed "mass GUN killings". Because talking about mass killings in general is just too difficult to grasp for you, and it weakens whatever point you are making.

o1s1n · 09-06-2014 12:36AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Terror attacks are slightly different to Joe public getting hold of a gun and going on a mass shooting spree don't you think ?

'Terror attack' is just a silly catch all phrase to scare the American public.

When you boil it down its the same thing in most cases - nutter(s) killing people.

How is someone going on a shooting spree not a 'terror attack'?

The Diabolical Monocle · 09-06-2014 12:36AM

Dont take the firearms away.

Change the type of firearm available.

There is a practical, justifiable use for certain firearms.

Others are completely un-necessary designs with no practical purpose.

.50ae pistol - oh its for duck hunting.
cylinder 100 round magazine - yip ... security. (from the invading Chinese it would seem)

Azwaldo55 · 09-06-2014 12:38AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Pretty hard to stab(insert other method) a load of adults to death without being restrained, Fairly easy to shoot people though. Easy access to guns is the problem esp people who are not mentally stable. not trying to sound harsh.

It is actually very hard to restrain someone if they are armed with a knife.

This is a police training video which demonstrates the lethal threat of knives to armed officers.

This is why in knife v gun situations suspects who do not drop their knife can expect to get shot.

Witcher · 09-06-2014 12:39AM

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Dont take the firearms away.

Change the type of firearm available.

There is a practical, justifiable use for certain firearms.

Others are completely un-necessary designs with no practical purpose.

.50ae pistol - oh its for duck hunting.
cylinder 100 round magazine - yip ... security. (from the invading Chinese it would seem)

The firearms that are used are generally run of the mill rifles right off the shelf.

You never hear of .50 cal Desert Eagles being used or .50BMG's etc.. It's generally an off the shelf .223 or a pistol. Banning the more obscure things will have no effect.

Davei141 · 09-06-2014 12:40AM

o1s1n wrote: »

'Terror attack' is just a silly catch all phrase to scare the American public.

When you boil it down its the same thing in most cases - nutter(s) killing people.

How is someone going on a shooting spree not a 'terror attack'?

Isn't it funny how people are making up rules to try bolster their arguments?

darkpagandeath · 09-06-2014 12:40AM

Davei141 wrote: »

I give up. You've got me with the excellently placed "mass GUN killings". Because talking about mass killings in general is just too difficult to grasp for you, and it weakens whatever point you are making.

Are you missing the point people are talking about mass gun killings in America and the need to look at tighter gun control. Your the one bringing in “oh other mass killings happen” to deflect from guns being a problem.

Davei141 · 09-06-2014 12:42AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Are you missing the point people are talking about mass gun killings in America and the need to look at tighter gun control. Your the one bringing in “oh other mass killings happen” to deflect from guns being a problem.

Eh my point as pretty obvious. The problem isn't guns the problem is American society having the need to go on spree killings and being immortalised through infamy. In your fantasy land we ban guns and all of a sudden everyone turns into shiny happy people who don't feel the need to spree kill.

09-06-2014 12:43AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Thank god in countries such as Ireland where access to guns is controlled and handgun are illegal there's never any gun crime.

Aye, was down in Lidl today and ran across the road because someone was on a spree killing with an assault rifle he bought from the supermarket. All the while I wished I was in America and could safely go to the shop.
Actually no, that didn't happen at all.

porsche959 · 09-06-2014 12:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Thank god in countries such as Ireland where access to guns is controlled and handgun are illegal there's never any gun crime.

Statistically, at a rate of one third of the US however.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country

Witcher · 09-06-2014 12:44AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Are you missing the point people are talking about mass gun killings in America and the need to look at tighter gun control. Your the one bringing in “oh other mass killings happen” to deflect from guns being a problem.

The laws on firearms have always been loose in the US but you didn't have shootings on this scale and frequency. The laws in the US are tighter than they were 30 years ago but shootings like this have increased so there are other factors at play beyond 'de gunz'.

Un Croissant · 09-06-2014 12:44AM

Five posts and counting until the 'cars kill people too. Should we ban cars now' argument appears.

Davei141 · 09-06-2014 12:48AM

Blay wrote: »

The laws on firearms have always been loose in the US but you didn't have shootings on this scale and frequency. The laws in the US are tighter than they were 30 years ago but shootings like this have increased so there are other factors at play beyond 'de gunz'.

So easy to blame one easy target than deal with the complex problem of a ****ed up society that makes spree killings the norm.

darkpagandeath · 09-06-2014 12:48AM

Davei141 wrote: »

Eh my point as pretty obvious. The problem isn't guns the problem is American society having the need to go on spree killings and being immortalised through infamy. In your fantasy land we ban guns and all of a sudden everyone turns into shiny happy people who don't feel the need to spree kill.

How many mass killings have you heard of in America in recent years that has not involved guns, Minus 9/11 any terror attack and Boston bombings. Never said mass killings wont go on. But it would be a dam sure there would be a lot less in America without loads of guns floating around.

Witcher · 09-06-2014 12:53AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

How many mass killings have you heard of in America in recent years that has not involved guns, Minus 9/11 any terror attack and Boston bombings. Never said mass killings wont go on. But it would be a dam sure there would be a lot less in America without loads of guns floating around.

You will never remove guns from the US. The US Congress could declare tomorrow that the 2nd Amendment is no longer in effect and that people have to turn their firearms in, it wouldn't matter one bit. People would outright ignore them as sure as day turns into night.

TeddyTedson · 09-06-2014 12:55AM

Davei141 wrote: »

This is fantasy stuff, do you even believe the crap you are typing?

Do I believe that if they decided to tighten up their gun laws that there would be a gun amnesty. You've already made the point that if they did tighten up their laws they'd already have access to millions of guns, so yes.
Do you?

ceadaoin. · 09-06-2014 12:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Aye, was down in Lidl today and ran across the road because someone was on a spree killing with an assault rifle he bought from the supermarket. All the while I wished I was in America and could safely go to the shop.
Actually no, that didn't happen at all.

Millions of people in America go to the shop safely everyday without incident.

I would be in favour of stricter gun control laws but an amnesty just isn't going to happen.

The Diabolical Monocle · 09-06-2014 12:57AM

Blay wrote: »

The firearms that are used are generally run of the mill rifles right off the shelf.

You never hear of .50 cal Desert Eagles being used or .50BMG's etc.. It's generally an off the shelf .223 or a pistol. Banning the more obscure things will have no effect.

So, to address it separately, why have any weapons around with capabilities beyond the required levels for hunting and security. Get rid of them.

There is no practical legal purpose which necessitates certain types of weapons currently being sold in the US.

Any legal and practical purpose given to justify owning these weapons could be accomplished with a less powerful firearm. A .45 rifle will suffice for both hunting and defense of property, pistols are thus redundant. (as are drum magazines and .44's .50's etc)

What is necessary beyond a simple mid calibre over under shotgun or low capacity mid calibre rifle for any legal situation in life.

Weapons on sale should not have high fire rates or high capacity. There is no practical justifiable reason.

Of any lame argument along the lines of - Oh I might be hunting a pack of wolves on my own at a short range and they may all charge me at once, one should ask if for the greater good 2 annual deaths by pack of wolves due to only low fire rate weapons being available is a favorable alternative to 100 annual spree deaths with high fire rate weapons available.

(Also; I see no need for pistols to be available to the public)

raze_them_all_ · 09-06-2014 12:58AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Thank god in countries such as Ireland where access to guns is controlled and handgun are illegal there's never any gun crime.

Handguns are not illegal in ireland??

TeddyTedson · 09-06-2014 12:59AM

Blay wrote: »

You will never remove guns from the US. The US Congress could declare tomorrow that the 2nd Amendment is no longer in effect and that people have to turn their firearms in, it wouldn't matter one bit. People would outright ignore them as sure as day turns into night.

Nonsense. The world is forever a changing place. 40 years ago nobody would have ever believed there would be a black American president.
There might even be a gay one or a woman in the white house some day. Don't be fooled into thinking things can't change. History will prove you wrong.

:)

09-06-2014 12:59AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Millions of people in America go to the shop safely everyday without incident.

In Ireland too.

Davei141 · 09-06-2014 12:59AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

How many mass killings have you heard of in America in recent years that has not involved guns, Minus 9/11 any terror attack and Boston bombings. Never said mass killings wont go on. But it would be a dam sure there would be a lot less in America without loads of guns floating around.

Do you think if guns were banned the people who want to go on a mass killing spree will just decide not to bother? Do you think they do it just because guns are available or that there is a bigger problem at play? That is my point about guns being a symptom not the cause.

Witcher · 09-06-2014 01:01AM

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

So, to address it separately, why have any weapons around with capabilities beyond the required levels for hunting and security. Get rid of them.

There is no practical legal purpose which necessitates certain types of weapons currently being sold in the US.

Any legal and practical purpose given to justify owning these weapons could be accomplished with a less powerful firearm. A .45 rifle will suffice for both hunting and defense of property, pistols are thus redundant.

What is necessary beyond a simple mid calibre over under shotgun or low capacity mid calibre rifle for any legal situation in life.

Weapons on sale should not have high fire rates or high capacity. There is no practical justifiable reason.

Of any lame argument along the lines of - Oh I might be hunting a pack of wolves on my own at a short range and they may all charge me at once, one should ask if for the greater good 2 annual deaths by pack of wolves due to only low fire rate weapons being available is a favorable alternative to 100 annual spree deaths with high fire rate weapons available.

(Also; I see no need for pistols to be available to the public)

Pretty much anything you can buy in the US you can get here too, just so that's clear. There are no magazine capacity restrictions for high calibre rifles here, if you have an AR-15 pattern rifle you could hang a 100 round Cmag out of it..no problem.

You can't have flintlock's here, automatic rifles or centrefire pistols..unless you had one before Nov. 2008 but that's a different story. That's about it..anything else is still on the table here.

Brown Bomber · 09-06-2014 01:02AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Plenty of the public in America are armed yet you still get mass shootings that's what I'm trying to point out. So why is the answer more guns that's what i don't get

Well, I am quite sure this woman was relieved to own a gun.

In the first incident, the woman heard glass breaking in her basement about midnight on Saturday. She went to leave the house, and the man attacked when she opened the front door. He punched her in the face and then forced her into a bedroom, where he raped her, said H. Morley Swingle, prosecuting attorney in Cape Girardeau County…
She was home alone again Friday about 2:15 a.m. when Preyer broke the same basement window. The victim was awake watching television, when Preyer switched off the electricity to her house.

She tried to call 911, but couldn’t because the power was off. She got a shotgun and waited as the man began banging on the basement door. She fired when Preyer came crashing through the door. When Preyer collapsed, the woman escaped and went to a neighbor’s home, where she called police. Officers, who arrived within a minute, found a bleeding Preyer stumbling away from the house. He was taken to St. Francis Medical Center, where he died several hours later.

Swingle said the victim identified Preyer as the attacker in both incidents. Preyer, of Jackson, Mo., had wet caulking from the recently repaired basement window on his clothing when he was shot.

Multiple People Shot in Walmart Las Vegas 5 Dead (Curently) in Suicide Pact

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