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The_Kew_Tour · 07-06-2014 10:10PM

or maybe we were just never on for Kroos or Fabregas.

J. Marston · 07-06-2014 10:12PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Phil Jones up to his usual clumsy self in the warm up, took Wilshere out of it!

He's trying to get Cleverley or Carrick a call-up.

Good guy, Phil.

homerjay2005 · 07-06-2014 10:12PM

StarshipPooper wrote: »

That is a very poorly written article, Taylor's either been on the beer or he dictated that to an intern.

ya, its just a rehash of something he said on the radio two days ago. would expect its pretty much an intern writing it as you said, but its Taylors own info as such.

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

or maybe we were just never on for Kroos or Fabregas.

well we were definately in for both, thats 100% accurate.

whether or not we were close to signing them as Taylor is suggesting, is another thing.

Mitch Connor · 07-06-2014 10:14PM

J. Marston wrote: »

He's trying to get Cleverley or Carrick a call-up.

Good guy, Phil.

he was just warming wilshere up, fecker spends the majority of his time on the ground in 'agony' every game.

Vinz Mesrine · 07-06-2014 10:15PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

It's a no brainer if you are up against a team that you expect to dominate or at least have good possession against. I'm no big Welbeck fan but he has his uses in big games where you won't be as involved and you need someone to hold it up and make space.
Different tactics and formations require different skill sets, it's not as easy as saying it's one over the other every day of the week.

I've seen Sterling put in potential motm performances against Man City twice this season, he has proven himself to be an incredibly clever player who knows exactly what to do with the ball. He knows when to pass, when to run with it and the most important thing he added to his game this season was the defensive side. He is excellent tracking back and is deceptively strong for a kid his size.

The_Kew_Tour · 07-06-2014 10:15PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

ya, its just a rehash of something he said on the radio two days ago. would expect its pretty much an intern writing it as you said, but its Taylors own info as such.

well we were definately in for both, thats 100% accurate.

whether or not we were close to signing them as Taylor is suggesting, is another thing.

we went for Fabregas last season.

I think interest on Kroos was there, he was not interested, so we let it be.

we did not "cool off" like some are spinning it e.g Ducker

Rubber_Soul · 07-06-2014 10:16PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

ya, its just a rehash of something he said on the radio two days ago. would expect its pretty much an intern writing it as you said, but its Taylors own info as such.

Ah no I'm not on about the info, just the writing. I'm just armchair grammar Nazi-ing.

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Would assume everyone on here will say this article is utter BS though, as it says we had been in position to sign Kroos and had an interest in Fabregas til LVG took over - which no one on here believes to be the case.

I'd definitely believe it's possible LVG ruled them out, I just think it's unlikely in the case of Kroos. I doubt we've been looking at Fabregas since Moyes left.

dahat · 07-06-2014 10:18PM

People forget the run around Fabregas gave the club last summer, I think the club backed away well before LVG, twice bitten and all that.

Will I Amnt · 07-06-2014 10:19PM

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

I've seen Sterling put in potential motm performances against Man City twice this season, he has proven himself to be an incredibly clever player who knows exactly what to do with the ball. He knows when to pass, when to run with it and the most important thing he added to his game this season was the defensive side. He is excellent tracking back and is deceptively strong for a kid his size.

Liverpool had as much if not more of the ball against City over the 180 minutes.
If England were to get Spain in the knockout stages and Welbeck gets the nod over Sterling, it wouldn't be a surprise to me, in fact I'd think it a good call.

Vinz Mesrine · 07-06-2014 10:22PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Liverpool had as much if not more of the ball against City over the 180 minutes.
If England were to get Spain in the knockout stages and Welbeck gets the nod over Sterling, it wouldn't be a surprise to me, in fact I'd think it a good call.

I'm expecting England to have a lot of the ball in their 3 games, not expecting them to get out of the group stage though. Sterling should start the 3 games barring an injury.

homerjay2005 · 07-06-2014 10:24PM

dahat wrote: »

People forget the run around Fabregas gave the club last summer, I think the club backed away well before LVG, twice bitten and all that.

the view i would have is that he was unhappy but gave it one more season as they say....now he is willing to move.

i do however always maintain that if we really tested the waters last season with a proper bid for a player of his worth, about €35-€40million, then would would have signed him or at least made Barcelona have a think about it. as it stands, the bids we made were around what we paid for Fellaini and that does not bother comprehension.

RichFTW · 07-06-2014 10:31PM

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Ah no I'm not on about the info, just the writing. I'm just armchair grammar Nazi-ing.

The info is bollix too.

...with Strootman the top of his own list of targets despite the Dutch midfielder currently recovering from a broken leg.

I would start to doubt other statements made in the article when the journalist can't even get a piece of common knowledge right.

Rubber_Soul · 07-06-2014 10:43PM

RichFTW wrote: »

The info is bollix too.

I would start to doubt other statements made in the article when the journalist can't even get a piece of common knowledge right.

I've definitely seen Taylor mention Strootman's ligament damage in other articles so it's either a simple mistake, he's on the sauce or an intern wrote it.

homerjay2005 · 07-06-2014 10:44PM

Ross Barkley is another player who could light up the world cup...hindsight is great and all that, but to think we paid over €33m for Fellaini and Barkley was sitting there for probably much less than that, is startling.

RichFTW · 07-06-2014 10:49PM

StarshipPooper wrote: »

I've definitely seen Taylor mention Strootman's ligament damage in other articles so it's either a simple mistake, he's on the sauce or an intern wrote it.

Sauce or intern so I'd say!

Irish94 · 07-06-2014 10:59PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Ross Barkley is another player who could light up the world cup...hindsight is great and all that, but to think we paid over €33m for Fellaini and Barkley was sitting there for probably much less than that, is startling.

Where would he play if we had signed him? Rooney and Kagawa are both cabable of playing the number 10 role, as too Januzaj if needed.

Barkley is an exceptional talent, but I would have been disappointed if United splashed out £20+ million for a player who is young, unproven at the time and simply not needed at the club.

K4t · 07-06-2014 11:38PM

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

I haven't seen all that much of Welbeck and have no problem admitting so. What I have seen is just a run of the mill striker(with a poor goal scoring record, due to being shafted out on the wing). When I look at Sterling I see the most exciting teenage attacker on the planet, in my opinion obviously. It's a no brainer in my eyes.

Bit unfair to be so dismissive of his worth so. The fact is he has been one of Utd's best players this season in a side that struggled to 7th place, scoring 9 goals along the way (the same as Sterling), playing most of his football on the wing too to allow for Van Persie up front. He was also a stand out performer in the CL ties against Munich. Not to mention he has performed very well for England under Hodgson for the last two years. Welbeck is an exceptionally talented player with tremendous technique and great ability to link up play combined with pace and power. His finishing still isn't what it should be but he has improved on this aspect of his game with each season.

Sterling has had a great season and is a great prospect, but to simply say he is a better player than Welbeck and offers more is just plainly false. Welbeck has done far more to deserve his starting place over Sterling and shows it on a consistent basis.

Ed The Equalizer · 07-06-2014 11:42PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

there is a fundamental problem with our approach to transfers in the club, we just seem incapable of getting in top world class players quickly.

I'd leave out the word quickly there. In the past 30 years it's been incredibly rare that we sign top world class players, unless they're young and haven't quite developed into the finished article yet.

Pro. F · 07-06-2014 11:47PM

K4t wrote: »

Amazing the sudden criticism of Welbeck's place in the English team. He's played very well tonight and made a great through ball to Sturridge aswell as orchestrating an excellent counter attack which Sturridge really should have scored from. Class player and if anyone should be dropped for Sterling it should be Lallana, not Welbeck.

He's also a better player than Sterling and has proven that at the highest level in the WC qualifiers and in the CL over the last two years. But all that is forgotten as soon an Sterling has a decent season at a club who narrowly missed out on the title. :rolleyes:

No he is not. As a winger Welbeck isn't close to Sterling, who had a hell of a lot more than a decent season.

K4t · 07-06-2014 11:52PM

Pro. F wrote: »

No he is not. As a winger Welbeck isn't close to Sterling, who had a hell of a lot more than a decent season.

He is a better footballer and that is not even in question.

As a typical winger Sterling is better because that's his position. Welbeck's role on the wing justifies him playing there though. Sterling does have a case for coming in instead of Lallana on the left I will admit.

Pro. F · 07-06-2014 11:57PM

K4t wrote: »

He is a better footballer and that is not even in question.

As a typical winger Sterling is better because that's his position. Welbeck's role on the wing justifies him playing there though. Sterling does have a case for coming in instead of Lallana on the left I will admit.

I'm a huge fan of Welbeck. I'm always defending him on here. But there is no way that you can say that he is just a better footballer than Sterling. They're very different to each other, but Sterling is every bit as skilled as Welbeck and more so in the things that matter on the wing.

Since we're talking about the competition for the job on the wing, then the fact that Sterling is a better winger is kind of important. And it's not even close, Sterling is miles better on the wing than Welbeck.

glued · 07-06-2014 11:58PM

It's actually sad what a massive upgrade Pogba would be over our midfield. Would be worth every pence of £60M.

I know it's dead and buried at this stage but what a massive fcuk up by Ferguson. Pity that we probably haven't a chance of signing him.

K4t · 08-06-2014 12:05AM

Pro. F wrote: »

I'm a huge fan of Welbeck. I'm always defending him on here. But there is no way that you can say that he is just a better footballer than Sterling. They're very different to each other, but Sterling is every bit as skilled as Welbeck and more so in the things that matter on the wing.

Since we're talking about the competition for the job on the wing, then the fact that Sterling is a better winger is kind of important. And it's not even close, Sterling is miles better on the wing than Welbeck.

Sterling did exceptionally well in a very good system at Liverpool no doubt. But as individual players I think Welbeck is the superior player and more suited to the role he plays for England than Sterling. Sterling is a better natural wing player but that does not mean he is the better player or that he should be starting ahead of Welbeck. There is however definitely a case for him starting on the right instead of Lalanna who has not impressed as much as was hoped he would. Sturridge, Welbeck and Sterling interchanging and linking up play with Rooney could be very rewarding.

Pro. F · 08-06-2014 12:14AM

K4t wrote: »

Sterling did exceptionally well in a very good system at Liverpool no doubt. But as individual players I think Welbeck is the superior player and more suited to the role he plays for England than Sterling. Sterling is a better natural wing player but that does not mean he is the better player or that he should be starting ahead of Welbeck. There is however definitely a case for him starting on the right instead of Lalanna who has not impressed as much as was hoped he would. Sturridge, Welbeck and Sterling interchanging and linking up play with Rooney could be very rewarding.

The fact that England are playing shíte as usual severely undermines your idea that Welbeck is fulfilling some esoteric role on the wing for England that Sterling, a better winger, wouldn't be able to.

This always comes up with international football - people trying to justify selections of clearly weaker players based on anything other than how good they are at playing the position.

K4t · 08-06-2014 12:22AM

Pro. F wrote: »

The fact that England are playing shíte as usual severely undermines your idea that Welbeck is fulfilling some esoteric role on the wing for England that Sterling, a better winger, wouldn't be able to.

This always comes up with international football - people trying to justify selections of clearly weaker players based on anything other than how good they are at playing the position.

See, I consider Welbeck the better player overall and having earned his place in the starting 11 through his performances. Sterling does not offer more than Welbeck imo that is also obviously the opinion manager.

The_Kew_Tour · 08-06-2014 12:38AM

dahat wrote: »

People forget the run around Fabregas gave the club last summer, I think the club backed away well before LVG, twice bitten and all that.

totally agree here.

this ****ing "cooling off" BS from journalists trying to portray there is a shift in this list of players LVG wants.

Why some of them cant just admit they might be wrong. Nothing wrong with info being incorrect or changing if in good faith, but all most of them are doing is freaking the pessimistic United fans even more.

At least some can admit it and move on.

nothing wrong with a fallen through info being realised, things can change, but trying to make crap up is just annoying.

Pro. F · 08-06-2014 01:07AM

K4t wrote: »

See, I consider Welbeck the better player overall and having earned his place in the starting 11 through his performances. Sterling does not offer more than Welbeck imo that is also obviously the opinion manager.

You said yourself that Sterling is a "better natural wing player". You admit that Sterling is a better winger, but rather than admit that therefore he should take the job on the wing over Welbeck you are trying to pretend that there is something more important going on in the selection for the role.

Welbeck has earned his place... Welbeck is the better footballer... Welbeck is more suited to the role... Welbeck has more experience - all cryptic waffle because you aren't willing to admit that the best winger should be the one who gets the job on the wing.

Ed The Equalizer · 08-06-2014 01:53AM

Hoping this isn't true... (apologies if already posted)

http://www.football-italia.net/50183/milan-man-utd-friendly-series

K4t · 08-06-2014 01:54AM

Pro. F wrote: »

You said yourself that Sterling is a "better natural wing player". You admit that Sterling is a better winger, but rather than admit that therefore he should take the job on the wing over Welbeck you are trying to pretend that there is something more important going on in the selection for the role.

Welbeck has earned his place... Welbeck is the better footballer... Welbeck is more suited to the role... Welbeck has more experience - all cryptic waffle because you aren't willing to admit that the best winger should be the one who gets the job on the wing.

And you're failing to acknowledge that the role Welbeck plays is not that of a typical winger. It involves following strict tactical instructions as well as holding up play and linking up with other attacking players which he excels at and has proven time and again for both club and country. Easily the most underrated English player heading into the tournament. Anyone who watches Welbeck play regularly knows that he is a quality footballer and one of the best in the premier league. There's a reason Ferguson favoured him so much and why even in Moyes' utd he was a stand out performer.

Sterling simply has done nothing to make him more suitable for Welbeck's position, which is credit to Welbeck as Sterling is a superb player too.

Pro. F · 08-06-2014 02:22AM

K4t wrote: »

And you're failing to acknowledge that the role Welbeck plays is not that of a typical winger. It involves following strict tactical instructions as well as holding up play and linking up with other attacking players which he excels at and has proven time and again for both club and country.

This theory might have some weight to it if England were playing well. They're playing awfully. Whatever tactical instructions Welbeck is carrying out so well it's not resulting in him doing anything remotely special on the pitch for England.

K4t wrote: »

Easily the most underrated English player heading into the tournament. Anyone who watches Welbeck play regularly knows that he is a quality footballer and one of the best in the premier league. There's a reason Ferguson favoured him so much and why even in Moyes' utd he was a stand out performer.

Sterling simply has done nothing to make him more suitable for Welbeck's position, which is credit to Welbeck as Sterling is a superb player too.

Ah here! I'm a big fan of Welbeck, but you are just being ridiculous.

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