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    #32
    fiachr_a
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭fiachr_a


    mosstin wrote: »
    The Irish music alternative music scene, such as it is, is almost uniformly dreadful. Too self-celebrating, po-faced and safe.
    That's because it's too MIDDLE CLASS!


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    #33
    loyatemu
    Registered Users Posts: 14,838 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Dandelion6 wrote: »
    Speaking of Cathal Coughlan here's a really unpopular opinion: Microdisney were boring.

    the idea of Fatima Mansions was much better than the reality - CC gives good interviews but musically there's not much of interest (see also Toasted Heretic).


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    #34
    Kerrigooney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭Kerrigooney


    smokedeels wrote: »
    Breeders > Pixies
    Sebadoh > Dinosaur Jr

    I like both The Breeders and Sebadoh but when I read this post my head nearly exploded.


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    #35
    mosstin
    Registered Users Posts: 6,128 ✭✭✭mosstin


    loyatemu wrote: »
    the idea of Fatima Mansions was much better than the reality - CC gives good interviews but musically there's not much of interest (see also Toasted Heretic).

    Bollocks. The three album stretch from Viva to Valhalla was creatively and lyrically that of a band at the peak of their powers.


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    #36
    loyatemu
    Registered Users Posts: 14,838 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    mosstin wrote: »
    Bollocks. The three album stretch from Viva to Valhalla was creatively and lyrically that of a band at the peak of their powers.

    this is a thread for unpopular opinions.

    One more:

    Neither "Nevermind the B0ll0cks" nor "Nevermind" are as good as their reputation or influence would suggest. They're ok, but its rare enough I'd be in the mood to listen to either of them.


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    #37
    iomega
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    fiachr_a wrote: »
    That's because it's too MIDDLE CLASS!

    You must write for the NME.


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    #38
    The Wild Bunch
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    iomega wrote: »
    You must write for the NME.

    He's right though.

    The best music/art/movies/football/literature etc has all come from people with working class backgrounds who went to comprehensive schools.

    Some of these Irish bands today have nothing to say and have nothing to play.

    Being in an Irish band today is a designer religion- these guys have some preconceived idea of this fabulous lifestyle that they're going to have.

    You only have to hear them speak- they're so bland and so safe. And we all know the bands and people I'm talking about


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    #39
    fiachr_a
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    The Wild Bunch wrote: »
    Some of these Irish bands today have nothing to say and have nothing to play.

    Being in an Irish band today is a designer religion- these guys have some preconceived idea of this fabulous lifestyle that they're going to have.
    Same with most Irish movies.


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    #40
    Recognition Scene
    Registered Users Posts: 112 ✭✭Recognition Scene


    The Wild Bunch wrote: »
    The best music/art/movies/football/literature etc has all come from people with working class backgrounds who went to comprehensive schools.

    Leonard Cohen... checkmate!


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    #41
    BrushyMan
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    SilverScreen wrote: »
    Never said it was a game-changer. I just gave it as a recent example of an album that I think is better than decent.


    fair enough. To each their own.


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    #42
    seachto7
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    The Wild Bunch wrote: »
    He's right though.

    The best music/art/movies/football/literature etc has all come from people with working class backgrounds who went to comprehensive schools.

    Some of these Irish bands today have nothing to say and have nothing to play.

    Being in an Irish band today is a designer religion- these guys have some preconceived idea of this fabulous lifestyle that they're going to have.

    You only have to hear them speak- they're so bland and so safe. And we all know the bands and people I'm talking about

    So, only working class bands have something to say? As long as a band is good, it doesn't matter where they come from.
    But when you have the likes of Frank Turner trying to be like Billy Bragg, then that's a joke.
    Most Irish bands are sh*t, as opposed to not having anything to say, or not.


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    #43
    SilverScreen
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    I think people are expecting too much out of Irish bands. We are a small country after all with a quite dispersed population. Ireland doesn't have the resources or large concentrated urban areas to form musical hotbeds. Dublin isn't exactly London or New York.

    There's quite a few Irish bands I do enjoy, but the only band to come out of Ireland that I would consider to be among my favourites would be My Bloody Valentine. But even they released their best material while based in London.


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    #44
    The Wild Bunch
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    seachto7 wrote: »
    So, only working class bands have something to say? As long as a band is good, it doesn't matter where they come from.
    But when you have the likes of Frank Turner trying to be like Billy Bragg, then that's a joke.
    Most Irish bands are sh*t, as opposed to not having anything to say, or not.


    All the BEST bands have something to say - fire in their bellies, an us against ther world mentality and a **** the world attitude.

    The in gods name do Kodaline, The Corona's and the rest of the mass produced sh*te in this country have to moan about?


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    #45
    S.M.B.
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    No they don't. Obviously, some great and ground breaking music has come from working class folk but it's certainly no pre-requisite for making good music.

    Maybe it's something your appreciate in the music you listen to but it's not something you can use to objectively measure 'great music'


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    #46
    seachto7
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    The Wild Bunch wrote: »
    All the BEST bands have something to say - fire in their bellies, an us against ther world mentality and a **** the world attitude.

    The in gods name do Kodaline, The Corona's and the rest of the mass produced sh*te in this country have to moan about?

    I don't like the Coronas. I don't get them at all. I don't see what the appeal is, and the singer is woeful. But obviously a fair amount of people do like them.

    Where are all the working class bands these days? There is nothing stopping them putting a band together in a bedroom or shed.

    I'm in Limerick, and I can't think of the last band, if any band, that came out of so called working class areas. You have a few tracksuited eejits trying to be rappers and that's it.

    There are a lot of "ok" bands in Ireland these days. Not bad, but not really that brilliant. Having good connections seems to be half the battle these days... I still think it's also a little harder for bands to get noticed if they are not based in Dublin.

    The Minutes. I don't like them. There's an unpopular indie opinion.


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    #47
    The Wild Bunch
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    seachto7 wrote: »
    I don't like the Coronas. I don't get them at all. I don't see what the appeal is, and the singer is woeful. But obviously a fair amount of people do like them.

    Where are all the working class bands these days? There is nothing stopping them putting a band together in a bedroom or shed.

    I'm in Limerick, and I can't think of the last band, if any band, that came out of so called working class areas. You have a few tracksuited eejits trying to be rappers and that's it.

    There are a lot of "ok" bands in Ireland these days. Not bad, but not really that brilliant. Having good connections seems to be half the battle these days... I still think it's also a little harder for bands to get noticed if they are not based in Dublin.

    The Minutes. I don't like them. There's an unpopular indie opinion.

    This is spot on


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    #48
    fiachr_a
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    SilverScreen wrote: »
    I think people are expecting too much out of Irish bands. We are a small country after all with a quite dispersed population. Ireland doesn't have the resources or large concentrated urban areas to form musical hotbeds. Dublin isn't exactly London or New York.
    Someone should type all the quality bands from Wales and Scotland since 2000!


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    #49
    trashcan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,939 ✭✭✭trashcan


    loyatemu wrote: »
    I don't get Whipping Boy at all.

    I'm bewildered that it (HW) is consistently voted the best Irish album of all time - there's a reason it didn't do the business anywhere outside of Ireland.

    Furthermore Ireland's record of producing great indie bands is terrible compared to (say) Scotland:

    Primal Scream, Teenage Fanclub, Beta Band, Belle & Sebastian, Franz Ferdinand, JAMC, Django Django, Big Country - where are the Irish equivalents?

    Empty stadium rock & boybands - that's Ireland's musical legacy :(

    Agree with most of this, don't get Whipping Boy. I'm a big fan of Scotosh bands too, TFC, Trashcan Sinatras, B & S, Aztec Camera. However, there were a few fantastic Irish bands. Stars of Heaven, The Blades, Something Happens, A House. It might be a select few, but they more than stand up to anything else that was released in the eighties, whether they sold shedloads of records or not.


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    #50
    The_Captain
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    The Wild Bunch wrote: »
    He's right though.

    The best music/art/movies/football/literature etc has all come from people with working class backgrounds who went to comprehensive schools.

    Some of these Irish bands today have nothing to say and have nothing to play.

    Being in an Irish band today is a designer religion- these guys have some preconceived idea of this fabulous lifestyle that they're going to have.

    You only have to hear them speak- they're so bland and so safe. And we all know the bands and people I'm talking about


    The best music comes from middle class folk pretending to be working class, like John Lennon or The Clash


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    #51
    MadYaker
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    The Arctic Monkeys first album isn't their best.


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    #52
    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    How unpopular can an opinion be?

    IMO music generally isn't worth listening to if it hasn't been released by a large label.


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    #53
    TimeToShine
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    seachto7 wrote: »
    I don't like the Coronas. I don't get them at all. I don't see what the appeal is, and the singer is woeful. But obviously a fair amount of people do like them.

    I didn't think anybody actually liked the Coronas. Complete rubbish.

    Built to Spill's best album is Keep It Like a Secret.


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    #54
    Everythin coming up Milhouse
    Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭Everythin coming up Milhouse


    Suas11 wrote: »
    Neon Bible is better than Funeral

    And The Suburbs is better than Neon Bible


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    #55
    fiachr_a
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭fiachr_a


    The 'Stone roses sound' was not original.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjbESsgMWBw


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    #56
    The Wild Bunch
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    Richey Edwards is alive and well


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    #57
    mosstin
    Registered Users Posts: 6,128 ✭✭✭mosstin


    fiachr_a wrote: »
    The 'Stone roses sound' was not original.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjbESsgMWBw

    Whatever else they claimed, The Stone Roses never claimed their sound was original.


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    #58
    VenomousFish
    Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭VenomousFish


    the only good britpop band is pulp.


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    #59
    Birneybau
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    GarIT wrote: »
    How unpopular can an opinion be?

    IMO music generally isn't worth listening to if it hasn't been released by a large label.

    Wow.


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    #60
    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    Birneybau wrote: »
    Wow.

    What? Generally if a musician/band was any good they would have been picked up by a big label.


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    #61
    The_Captain
    Registered Users Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭The_Captain


    The Wild Bunch wrote: »
    Richey Edwards is alive and well

    Alive maybe. I don't think he was ever well


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