Manchester United Superthread 2014 mod warning #8081

07-06-2014 10:27AM

Paying 50-60m for Vidal would make me sick. Could get 3 players with the potential to be world class for that. Now people are on the win now buzz it seems but you get nowhere long term with that approach. Test the waters for Verratti I say at 25-30m I say.

bucketybuck · 07-06-2014 10:31AM

kryogen wrote: »

Rakitic
20 million
Rakitic
20 million
Rakitic
20 million

No value in the market.

The_Kew_Tour · 07-06-2014 10:32AM

We can knock Reus off list this summer.would have been ideal.

Feel sorry for any player that misses WC

tallaghtmick · 07-06-2014 10:33AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Its going to be great summer.

Once we pop we wont stop.

LVG name will deilver

Anyone else wanna kidnap kew and beat him until he tells us what he knows?

hufpc8w3adnk65 · 07-06-2014 10:34AM

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Anyone else wanna kidnap kew and beat him until he tells us what he knows?

He's trolling us!!!

The_Kew_Tour · 07-06-2014 10:39AM

Whats wrong about being positive?

I really think even though ideally a signing by now would be ideal that we will have a much better squad come mid August.

I am confident we will see signings and I can wait till after WC.

Ideally signings before season starts would help.

KH25 · 07-06-2014 10:42AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Whats wrong about being positive?

I really think even though ideally a signing by now would be ideal that we will have a much better squad come mid August.

I am confident we will see signings and I can wait till after WC.

Ideally signings before season starts would help.

Im with Kew on this. I just cannot see LVG not bringing in a few signings.

The_Kew_Tour · 07-06-2014 10:51AM

BTW when I say a good summer im talking 1 maybe 2 big names.

I reckon LVG will go orange for potiential and I can see 1 or 2 other signings coming in.

That to anyone should be good summer unless you have unrealistic expectations.

Lord TSC · 07-06-2014 10:56AM

Random news round up.

Italian press saying Juvi have bailed out of the Sanchez deal now, and that United and Barca are discussing a transfer now. 25m being touted. Liverpool and Spurs also interested.

Twitter talk of Sunderland chasing Ashley Young. Would be a massive step down for him...

Daily Star reporting we're interested in De Greizmann but PSG are favored to get him.

adox · 07-06-2014 10:57AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Whats wrong about being positive?

I really think even though ideally a signing by now would be ideal that we will have a much better squad come mid August.

I am confident we will see signings and I can wait till after WC.

Ideally signings before season starts would help.

Nothing wrong with being positive and there's nothing wrong with being negative either.

People read this window with different opinions so far.
What I do find tedious is the "you're embarrassing yourself" it's only 4 weeks into the window ffs" "people need to stop panicking" "..throwing your toys out of the pram" comments for those that are seriously concerned about how the window has gone so far.

Last summer showed how badly windows can go and how utterly amateurish Utd can be, sinking to an all time low.

The comments above that you find regularly enough on this thread are pretty condescending and add zero to the thread or discussion.

Lord TSC · 07-06-2014 11:02AM

adox wrote: »

Last summer showed how badly windows can go and how utterly amateurish Utd can be, sinking to an all time low.

Yes, but the only thing the same as last summer so far is we haven't signed anyone before the window opens.

New manager with higher expectations.
Lower league position meaning we have to improve.
Chief Ex wanting desperately to prove himself.

Add to that the fact the World Cup was always, ALWAYS going to cause delays, both in terms of clubs wanting to hold off deals and our new manager not starting for a few more weeks.

To me, this summer is so utterly different to last. Last summer does show how bad it can go, but that doesn't logically follow that all summers hence forth will go horribly wrong if we don't do our deals before the window opens...

duffman13 · 07-06-2014 11:04AM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Random news round up.

Italian press saying Juvi have bailed out of the Sanchez deal now, and that United and Barca are discussing a transfer now. 25m being touted. Liverpool and Spurs also interested.

Twitter talk of Sunderland chasing Ashley Young. Would be a massive step down for him...

Daily Star reporting we're interested in De Greizmann but PSG are favored to get him.

Give him to Sunderland for free! A hefty signing on bonus might persuade him to get out of town.

The_Kew_Tour · 07-06-2014 11:07AM

adox wrote: »

Nothing wrong with being positive and there's nothing wrong with being negative either.

People read this window with different opinions so far.
What I do find tedious is the "you're embarrassing yourself" it's only 4 weeks into the window ffs" "people need to stop panicking" "..throwing your toys out of the pram" comments for those that are seriously concerned about how the window has gone so far.

Last summer showed how badly windows can go and how utterly amateurish Utd can be, sinking to an all time low.

The comments above that you find regularly enough on this thread are pretty condescending and add zero to the thread or discussion.

just to clarify I have not said any of the above and dont have a problem with those negatuve comment.

I would be short sighted if I did as I shared most of those opinions last summer.

But that was a summer under different circumstances and rules.

Larry Wildman · 07-06-2014 11:08AM

Why don't we pay Roma (say) a couple of million for an option to buy Strootman at (say) €Xm any time in the next (say) year?

Why don't clubs think creatively like that?

It seems to be either "let's buy this injured guy for mega money" or "let's not buy that guy we want because he's injured"...

Timmyctc · 07-06-2014 11:09AM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Why don't we pay Roma (say) a couple of million for an option to buy Strootman at (say) €Xm any time in the next (say) year?

Why don't clubs think creatively like that?

It seems to be either "let's buy this injured guy for mega money" or "let's not buy that guy we want because he's injured"...

Because the selling club would probably say

"What? No."

Larry Wildman · 07-06-2014 11:13AM

duffman13 wrote: »

Give him to Sunderland for free! A hefty signing on bonus might persuade him to get out of town.

"Mr Woodward, we're proposing to offer Mr Young a salary of £12,000 a week. This represents an increase of 20% on his current deal. Our Finance Director rather naively thought that a smudge on your fax was actually an extra zero. How the Board laughed at that one!!! I presume that our offer will be accepted on the basis that it is commensurate with the player's standing in the game?"

tallaghtmick · 07-06-2014 11:14AM

So who can we see leaving the club?

DM_7 · 07-06-2014 11:15AM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Yes, but the only thing the same as last summer so far is we haven't signed anyone before the window opens.

New manager with higher expectations.
Lower league position meaning we have to improve.
Chief Ex wanting desperately to prove himself.

Add to that the fact the World Cup was always, ALWAYS going to cause delays, both in terms of clubs wanting to hold off deals and our new manager not starting for a few more weeks.

To me, this summer is so utterly different to last. Last summer does show how bad it can go, but that doesn't logically follow that all summers hence forth will go horribly wrong if we don't do our deals before the window opens...

I agree with the above.

I can see where the frustration comes from though.

Coming off a **** season, the frustration has to be that its the second year in a row where the clubs work on getting transfer lined up has gone out the window ( :pac: ) as the manager changes seem to change the players the club wants.

All the talk, reliable or not suggests United could have had Strootman, Thiago last summer if they were not hanging about for Moyes to decide on things or Carvalho and maybe (just maybe) even Kroos this summer if they were able to do things early in the summer and really force decisions from players.

For me though I expect Van Gaal to be more decisive about who he wants and moving onto new targets if there are delays in getting things done once he is back from the World Cup. The other positive is he has experience working with established top class players that he may be able to get to United.

Larry Wildman · 07-06-2014 11:16AM

Timmyctc wrote: »

Because the selling club would probably say

"What? No."

Why wouldn't they? It would be up to the clubs to agree a fair price for the option. The guy's in rehab at the moment with an ACL injury. Why buy him for £20m now? Going the option route could suit all sides.

EDIT: Maybe UEFA / The FA don't allow it as call options constitute an ability to control from a legal perspective.

Rubber_Soul · 07-06-2014 11:20AM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Wasn't he nearly out of contract though?

It's also been reported loads of times that he doesn't want to leave Spain. Gianluca DiMarzio says Utd enquired but never made a formal offer which probably means he said no.

bucketybuck · 07-06-2014 11:26AM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Yes, but the only thing the same as last summer so far is we haven't signed anyone before the window opens.

Whats also the same as last summer is the fact that we badly, badly needed to have deals done early, before the WC and before the window opened. And just like last summer we have not done so.

Timmyctc · 07-06-2014 11:34AM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Why wouldn't they? It would be up to the clubs to agree a fair price for the option. The guy's in rehab at the moment with an ACL injury. Why buy him for £20m now? Going the option route could suit all sides.

EDIT: Maybe UEFA / The FA don't allow it as call options constitute an ability to control from a legal perspective.

Because the buying club would be buying out the player's negotiated release fee for a fraction of it's actual cost. In the case of them not having a release fee they're still attempting to insert a first option clause which generally doesn't go at face value when they are being negotiated into contracts.

Why would the selling club even want to do that though? Espcially for a player who costs 20 or so. Its not even one of those structured deals of x sum now and y sum for so many weeks until whole.

Its a tiny sum now then the player remains in limbo with the club and presumably subsequent offers from other clubs will have to be rejected if United have the option to pay the remainder of his transfer fee and just get him.

adox · 07-06-2014 11:40AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

just to clarify I have not said any of the above and dont have a problem with those negatuve comment.

I would be short sighted if I did as I shared most of those opinions last summer.

But that was a summer under different circumstances and rules.

Yeah sorry Kew, should have added that I wasn't implying you yourself had said any of those things. I just started typing a reply to your post to say there was nothing wrong with being positive and also nothing wrong with being negative.

The rest of the post just evolved from there but wasn't referring to you at all.

newballsplease · 07-06-2014 11:41AM

I was gonna say as someone pointed out... Why havent we sold anyone yet?

The_Kew_Tour · 07-06-2014 11:44AM

adox wrote: »

Yeah sorry Kew, should have added that I wasn't implying you yourself had said any of those things. I just started typing a reply to your post to say there was nothing wrong with being positive and also nothing wrong with being negative.

The rest of the post just evolved from there but wasn't referring to you at all.

no worries mate, I knew ya meant it in that way, just wanted clarify that I dont have problem with others being worried.

tallaghtmick wrote: »

So who can we see leaving the club?

hard to know, but maybe Chico or not be surprised to see Young gone, but unlikely.

bucketybuck · 07-06-2014 11:45AM

newballsplease wrote: »

I was gonna say as someone pointed out... Why havent we sold anyone yet?

Because we have very few players that would be attractive to other clubs. Agents will have to call in a lot of favors to engineers deals for the likes of Young or Valencia.

Lord TSC · 07-06-2014 11:49AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Whats also the same as last summer is the fact that we badly, badly needed to have deals done early, before the WC and before the window opened. And just like last summer we have not done so.

No. No, we didn't need that. We wanted that. Big difference.

Larry Wildman · 07-06-2014 11:58AM

Timmyctc wrote: »

Because the buying club would be buying out the player's negotiated release fee for a fraction of it's actual cost. In the case of them not having a release fee they're still attempting to insert a first option clause which generally doesn't go at face value when they are being negotiated into contracts.

Why would the selling club even want to do that though? Espcially for a player who costs 20 or so. Its not even one of those structured deals of x sum now and y sum for so many weeks until whole.

Its a tiny sum now then the player remains in limbo with the club and presumably subsequent offers from other clubs will have to be rejected if United have the option to pay the remainder of his transfer fee and just get him.

Okay, picture this scenario...

- Kevin Strootman is badly injured.

- Roma are willing to sell him for £20m.

- United are interested in signing him.

What's the problem with United paying Roma (say) £2m for an option to buy the player at £20m on or before 31 August 2015?

DARK-KNIGHT · 07-06-2014 12:08PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Okay, picture this scenario...

- Kevin Strootman is badly injured.

- Roma are willing to sell him for £20m.

- United are interested in signing him.

What's the problem with United paying Roma (say) £2m for an option to buy the player at £20m on or before 31 August 2015?

No club would actually accept those terms come on you must be wiser than that...

so strootman plays for us for a year and near the end of year he destroys his knee or gets very gravely ill so roma are left with a crock and united had his services for 2 million

duffman13 · 07-06-2014 12:10PM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

No club would actually accept those terms come on you must be wiser than that...

so strootman plays for us for a year and near the end of year he destroys his knee or gets very gravely ill so roma are left with a crock and united had his services for 2 million

He's talking about paying 2 million for a first option clause basically. You are describing a loan with an option to buy which is a lot more common

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