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Meglamonia · 05-06-2014 01:39PM

Up until what point can you change your 23 man squad?Is it only through injury?

Lucas Hood · 05-06-2014 01:47PM

Meglamonia wrote: »

Up until what point can you change your 23 man squad?Is it only through injury?

Taken from this article.

"FIFA rules allow for an injured player to be replaced after their 2 June squad deadline up to 24 hours before a team's first World Cup game."

mike65 · 05-06-2014 03:06PM

Ox-Cham out for up to three weeks, but could be only 10 days. Go figure!

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jun/05/alex-oxlade-chamberlain-injury-england-world-cup

Michael Carrick and Tom Cleverley are on the stand-by list while Nathan Redmond, who has been in good form for the under-21s, may also come into consideration as a more like-for-like player should it be neccesary to replace Oxlade-Chamberlain. Yet Hodgson may prefer to keep Stones on board considering his involvement with the squad during England’s training camp.

greendom · 05-06-2014 03:11PM

mike65 wrote: »

Ox-Cham out for up to three weeks, but could be only 10 days. Go figure!

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jun/05/alex-oxlade-chamberlain-injury-england-world-cup

Those replacements highlight what little quality Hodgson has to choose from.

mike65 · 05-06-2014 03:22PM

It highlights that he left out some names that he might have taken a punt on - Tom Ince, Conor Wickham for example

greendom · 05-06-2014 03:25PM

mike65 wrote: »

It highlights that he left out some names that he might have taken a punt on - Tom Ince, Conor Wickham for example

Think I'd rather take a punt on either of those 2 than Cleverly or Carrick.

Meglamonia · 05-06-2014 03:49PM

Anyone watch Argentina last night?

Heard messi was poor first half I don't think they'll win it,they'll need messi on top form and it doesn't happen often with Argentina.

Pro. F · 05-06-2014 03:50PM

greendom wrote: »

Those replacements highlight what little quality Hodgson has to choose from.

Hodgeson has a huge amount of quality to choose from. He just makes a balls of it, manages the team poorly and then everybody assumes that England don't have good players.

Two wingers who would be in the squad or starting - Ox, Walcott - are injured. Sterling, Milner and Lallana are still in the squad. So for sixth and seventh choice wingers they could have Aaron Lennon and Adam Johnson. That is a very good pool of wingers.

Beefy78 · 05-06-2014 04:17PM

Lennon hasn't been great this year (he's still surprisingly young). Johnson has been up and down and Hodgson doesn't seem to rate him. I find it hard to argue.

If Ox is out then hopefully he brings in a defender.

I am pie · 05-06-2014 04:20PM

Meglamonia wrote: »

Anyone watch Argentina last night?

Heard messi was poor first half I don't think they'll win it,they'll need messi on top form and it doesn't happen often with Argentina.

He got the joint highest mark from the local press, 7 out of 10 (they generally never give much higher than a 6, most players last night got 5 or 6) and was generally well received. This coming from a local press who give him a pretty hard time usually! If your spanish is up to it you can check canchallena.com.ar

Of course, we're talking about a meaningless friendly with Trinidad & Tobago, you'd be a fool to try and read much into these pre-tournament warm ups.

Skylinehead · 05-06-2014 04:23PM

He was unlucky not to score a few times, first one where Di Maria scuffed a cutback to him, and when he hit the post from a free which led to Mascherano's goal.

Pro. F · 05-06-2014 04:23PM

Beefy78 wrote: »

Lennon hasn't been great this year (he's still surprisingly young). Johnson has been up and down and Hodgson doesn't seem to rate him. I find it hard to argue.

If Ox is out then hopefully he brings in a defender.

I think Lennon has been good as usual, it's Spurs being a mess that has been the problem. I agree that Johnson has been up and down.

For sixth and seventh options for their positions it's a weak argument that they are an indication of a lack of depth in quality.

05-06-2014 04:40PM

I think this could be Di maria's world cup, the lad is electric!

Alfred Borden · 05-06-2014 04:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think this could be Di maria's world cup, the lad is electric!

Agreed, i have a sly bet on Argentina to win it out so hopefully Messi can run riot too.

05-06-2014 05:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think this could be Di maria's world cup, the lad is electric!

Agree. His performance in the Champs League Final was electric.

K4t · 05-06-2014 06:25PM

I think Messi will outshine Di Maria in the electrical department.

Utopia Parkway · 05-06-2014 06:48PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Hodgeson has a huge amount of quality to choose from. He just makes a balls of it, manages the team poorly and then everybody assumes that England don't have good players.

Two wingers who would be in the squad or starting - Ox, Walcott - are injured. Sterling, Milner and Lallana are still in the squad. So for sixth and seventh choice wingers they could have Aaron Lennon and Adam Johnson. That is a very good pool of wingers.

Don't particularly rate Lennon. Don't think he's ever developed beyond knocking the ball past people are relying on his pace to beat them.

Johnson is just very inconsistent.

Pro. F · 05-06-2014 07:04PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Don't particularly rate Lennon. Don't think he's ever developed beyond knocking the ball past people are relying on his pace to beat them.

Johnson is just very inconsistent.

Fair enough. I suspect that if they were sixth and seventh choice wingers for the Dutch or Italians, or somebody like that, and playing in a league other than the PL, you wouldn't hold them up as a sign of those national sides lacking depth. But I suppose we can never know.

Smithwicks Man · 05-06-2014 07:36PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Fair enough. I suspect that if they were sixth and seventh choice wingers for the Dutch or Italians, or somebody like that, and playing in a league other than the PL, you wouldn't hold them up as a sign of those national sides lacking depth. But I suppose we can never know.

To be fair, there are plenty of players not in other squads that are better than players in the English squad.

Pro. F · 05-06-2014 09:00PM

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

To be fair, there are plenty of players not in other squads that are better than players in the English squad.

There are also players not in the England squad who are better than players who are in other big nation squads.

roanoke · 05-06-2014 09:04PM

K4t wrote: »

I think Messi will outshine Di Maria in the electrical department.

Agreed. Messi is amped up and is the current joule of the Argentina team. Sorry Di Maria fans, but the truth hertz.

Smithwicks Man · 05-06-2014 09:22PM

Pro. F wrote: »

There are also players not in the England squad who are better than players who are in other big nation squads.

I can't think of too many English players who didn't make the cut that are better than the players in the Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Italy or France squads?

K4t · 05-06-2014 10:28PM

http://news.yahoo.com/protests-hit-brazil-eight-days-world-cup-005229845--sow.html

Sao Paulo (AFP) - Commuters faced major traffic woes in Sao Paulo Thursday as subway workers went on strike, causing chaos in the Brazilian metropolis a week before it hosts the World Cup opener.

The Sao Paulo metro is the main transport link to the economic capital's host stadium, and the indefinite strike could pose a massive logistical headache for organizers -- as well as the 4.5 million passengers who use it daily.

Frustrated commuters broke entrance grilles at the station that serves the stadium, Corinthians Arena, forcing system operators CPTM to take emergency measures to open it.

With more people using their cars, bumper-to-bumper traffic stretched for up to 209 kilometers (135 miles), the worst congestion so far this year and the third worst ever recorded in the sprawling mega-city of 20 million people.

The strike affected three of the city's five subway lines, a system employee told AFP.

Sao Paulo was where mass protests erupted a year ago as citizens took to the streets to voice anger at rising public transportation fares.

The unrest ballooned into nationwide demonstrations against the more than $11 billion being spent on the World Cup.

A million protesters turned out last June during the Confederations Cup, a World Cup dress rehearsal.

The protests turned violent at times, overshadowing the tournament and raising fears of a repeat this year.

The movement has since lost momentum, but Thursday's transportation chaos risks rekindling anger with one week to go to the opening ceremony and match.

"I've come in from Sao Bernardo dos Campos (in the suburbs) and now I don't know how I am going to reach my destination," complained an exasperated commuter, 19-year-old Andre Luiz Diaz.

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Workers went on strike at midnight after negotiations on a salary increase fell through. They rejected an offer of 8.7 percent, insisting on at least 10 percent, said the president of their union, Altino Melo dos Prazeres.

"If there's money for the Itaquerao (the nickname for Corinthians Arena) and the World Cup, how is it they don't have any money for public transportation?" Prazeres was quoted as saying by newspaper O Estado de Sao Paulo.

He said any offer would have to be in the double digits to keep up with inflation -- a growing concern in Brazil, which is struggling with slowing growth and rising prices.

- 'Nothing has changed' -

Many say the national mood is much the same as during last year's riots.

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Members of the military police demand for better salaries during an anti-World Cup protest outside C …
"Nothing has changed. The people took to the streets and no level of government has managed to respond to their demands," said Antonio Carlos Costa, founder of activist group Rio da Paz.

"Brazil has the seventh-largest economy in the world, but it ranks 85th on the human development index, there are 50,000 murders a year. It's normal for people to get angry when so much money is being spent building stadiums."

President Dilma Rousseff has defended her government's preparations for the tournament, insisting the money spent would leave a legacy of airports and transportation infrastructure that would benefit Brazil for years to come.

But the government has also faced criticism for chronic delays and disorganization.

Workers are still scrambling to finish several of the 12 host stadiums, including Corinthians Arena, to which firefighters have not given safety clearance to operate at full capacity.

Eight workers died in construction accidents at the stadiums, including three in Sao Paulo.

Much of the other promised infrastructure has been shelved, from roadworks and a high-speed train to subway and monorail lines.

Meanwhile, teams continue trickling into Brazil. Chile are due to arrive later Thursday, joining Australia, Croatia and Iran.

Brazil, who routed Panama 4-0 in a friendly Tuesday, play Serbia on Friday in a final warm-up before taking on Croatia in the kick-off match.

Just thinking, the pressure on the Brazilian team to perform and win the tournament outright is huge. There will no doubt be protests and controversy throughout the two weeks but what's going to happen if Brazil go out in the knockout rounds or don't even make it out of the group stages? Things could get very ugly..

UnitedIrishman · 05-06-2014 10:37PM

Beats wins at World Cup advertising.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_i3Lcjli84

Neeson · 05-06-2014 10:37PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Don't particularly rate Lennon. Don't think he's ever developed beyond knocking the ball past people are relying on his pace to beat them.

Johnson is just very inconsistent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffbdGCb9bE0

Paully D · 05-06-2014 11:28PM

Neeson wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffbdGCb9bE0

"I don't believe in systems in football." :rolleyes:

Pro. F · 05-06-2014 11:55PM

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

I can't think of too many English players who didn't make the cut that are better than the players in the Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Italy or France squads?

This is very subjective and you can just choose to quibble with any comparison I bring up. But fúck it, I'll try to stick to the more obvious, less controversial, ones.

France:
Evra < Cole
Sakho < Terry

Brazil:
David Luiz at CB < Terry, Shawcross and Dawson
Marcelo and Maxwell < Ashley Cole

Argentina:
Demichelis < Terry (and I'm sure Argetina have a few more weak CBs)
Maxi Rodriguez < Lennon, A Johnson, Jay Rodriguez, etc, etc.

I'm not very familiar with their defence (by all reports it's very weak), but are you telling me that all the left-backs in their squad are better than Cole?

Netherlands:
De Jong < Britton, Cork, Carrick and Barry
Clasie at DCM < Britton and Cork (although I do like Clasie, he's just not as good as those two)

Italy, Spain and Germany I'll give you.

I'm sure I've missed plenty more in all that, but searching around and comparing the weaker players in each top WC squad isn't the easiest job. The truth is you could say what you said about the English squad about most of the big sides at the tournament.

Pro. F · 06-06-2014 12:02AM

Paully D wrote: »

"I don't believe in systems in football." :rolleyes:

Playing your best players rather than only playing players that fit some system is hardly a controversial idea. Sure I've hear Carlo Ancelotti say that he chooses to do that, since he had problems with sticking too rigidly to a system early in his managerial career. Giles just didn't express it very well.

If you get over the fact that Giles doesn't express himself brilliantly and isn't usually familiar with players outside the PL/CL, he has a great understanding of the game and a lot of interesting things to say.

Richard Hillman · 06-06-2014 12:22AM

Giles is a fool. He doesn't believe in formations or tactics and then goes and contradicts himself by saying players are being played out of position. He genuinely believes that in this day and age you could just throw out 11 players and tell them to play.

Pro. F · 06-06-2014 12:37AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Giles is a fool. He doesn't believe in formations or tactics and then goes and contradicts himself by saying players are being played out of position. He genuinely believes that in this day and age you could just throw out 11 players and tell them to play.

It's almost like he doesn't express himself very well.

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