Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

djPSB · 05-06-2014 01:08PM

Morzadec wrote: »

If he has a good WC hopefully someone will take him off our hands at a decent price

We have capable experience in Toure as backup, as well as talented youngsters like Wisdom and aioli on the books.

Maybe Coates deserves a second (3rd?) chance, but I would say the jury's already back with the verdict on him

Edit: I think our gung-ho system requires a cb with good mobility and recovery pace, something Coates definitely doesn't have. Looks more suited to a backs to the wall type defending role

Ilori is probably our most mobile CB.

Knex* · 05-06-2014 01:10PM

djPSB wrote: »

Ilori is probably our most mobile CB.

Where as Agger seemingly now turns like a caravan.

Dickerty · 05-06-2014 01:11PM

djPSB wrote: »

Ilori is probably our most mobile CB.

Definately the most comfortable on the ball. I see him and Sakho being a potentially very good pairing, similar to Bruce/Pallister or Hyypia/Carra. You have one that is all blood and thunder, and the other who is more composed and happy to bring the ball out more...

djPSB · 05-06-2014 01:12PM

To those disappointed with our transfer activity, we've been the most active PL team in the market so far.

There is still 3 months of the window to go.

flanzer · 05-06-2014 01:31PM

djPSB wrote: »

To those disappointed with our transfer activity, we've been the most active PL team in the market so far.

There is still 3 months of the window to go.

and considering it's not officially open until 1st July also, we're doing pretty good

whatawaster · 05-06-2014 01:47PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Know nothing about Can other than bits or bobs I've seen about him online.

However, it's a bit disappointing that we don't seem to be adding any top quality players at this moment in time. I would have been of the impression that everyone (including Rodgers) was of the opinion that top class players were required to go straight into the first team.

If the likes of Can & Lambert and players of that ilk are the pinnacle of our dealings this summer, it will be a colossal disappointment.

We are pretty clearly after big money signings for Left back and the attacking positions. Moreno and Lallana/Shaqiri look likely to follow.

D'Agger · 05-06-2014 01:48PM

Knex. wrote: »

Where as Agger seemingly now turns like a caravan.

Yeah but a caravan with Elbows :pac:

mooseknunkle · 05-06-2014 01:48PM

djPSB wrote: »

To those disappointed with our transfer activity, we've been the most active PL team in the market so far.

There is still 3 months of the window to go.

They way some are talking here you would swear the transfer market was closing tonight..relax lads and enjoy your summer

Muahahaha · 05-06-2014 01:49PM

I hope we don't do business with Madrid and that Suarez stays another year, I really want to see him represent is in the Champions League, even if it is for only one more season. With Suarez on board Liverpool would be outsiders for the CL trophy, probably an 8/1 shot but it is not beyond us with the way we attack, Europe won't know what hit them !

If we do do business with Madrid then I hope we take one or two players off them and cash rather than a straight cash deal. We don't want to have a repeat of the Torres situation where the whole footballing world knew we had £50m burning a hole in our pocket and suddenly Andy Carrol was valued at £35m which was just pure insanity, both now and at the time.

Real Madrid are our competitors in Europe now, we shouldn't forget that. Any deal for Suaraz should prevent him from playing against us in the CL for one season. Apart from that I'd like us to think big, why not a direct swap for Ronaldo ? It'd be certainly one way of replacing the 30 goals a season we'd lose by selling Suarez. In fact I think tomorrow's edition of the Liverppol Echo should carry the headline 'Ronaldo for Anfield?' complete with a photoshop of him leaning in the new Liverpool kit at Melwood. If Madrid want to spent the summer unsettling our players then why not engage in a bit of the same. Bale to Liverpool anyone ?

Other than that Benzema should be of interest. The real jewel though for me would be Luka Modric. Either way at a minimum we need to be getting one of their big name players and £50m cash on top. If we really want to turn the screw then I'd want them to throw in Xabi Alonso too, he might be aging but has tons of CL experience, has improved since he left us and let's face it, we all love Xabi, he always gives 110% effort and often pops up with important goals.

Demosthenese · 05-06-2014 01:54PM

Swap with Ronaldo ... what are you smokin?

Transfer activity so far is fine, 2 players that have obviously been chosen by Brendan some time ago, picked out deals done before more other clubs have even turned a sod. Not a bad start. People talking about underwhelming already!!! - seriously it's not even July yet!

MonkeyTennis · 05-06-2014 01:58PM

Right so silly season is.............OPEN!

brevity · 05-06-2014 01:58PM

Analysis on Emre Can (with the fancy pictures that Morzadec likes)

http://www.statsbomb.com/2014/06/transfer-dossier-welcome-to-anfield-emre-can/

Super-Rush · 05-06-2014 02:00PM

Do some of you guys really want to buy players before the World Cup only to have them get injured while playing?

brevity · 05-06-2014 02:07PM

One here comparing Lallana to Shaqiri

http://www.statsbomb.com/2014/06/xherdan-shaqiri-vs-adam-lallana-a-liverpool-joint/

According to this guy, Shaqiri could be got for cheaper than Lallana and hit the potential of Suarez or Bale.

mike65 · 05-06-2014 02:08PM

Super-Rush wrote: »

Do some of you guys really want to buy players before the World Cup only to have them get injured while playing?

Not an issue as LFC are not in the market for World Cup level players according to some!

You have to laugh at the news that Spurs are not in the race for Moreno, no one believed they ever were. Pure filler for tabloids.

Vicxas · 05-06-2014 02:14PM

mike65 wrote: »

Not an issue as LFC are not in the market for World Cup level players according to some!

You have to laugh at the news that Spurs are not in the race for Moreno, no one believed they ever were. Pure filler for tabloids.

Hmmmmm, go to Liverpool who finished second....

OR, go to Spurs who are sans manager and a team who gel together like a bald mans combover...

Devilman40k · 05-06-2014 02:15PM

Riiiight...so Ronaldo for Suarez or we're not doing enough business...

WC hasn't even started (anyone in the top level is in the US or Brazil and is concentrating on that)

Time for us all to calm down, last time I looked at the calendar it was 5th June, not 11.59 on the final of the transfer window. Let's see who gets through the WC unscathed first before we go mental on new targets/lack thereof/blaming Ayre for another cock up.

Plenty of time to go

Nuri Sahin · 05-06-2014 02:17PM

Not that I'm worried of Suarez leaving as I don't think he will barring a bid around what Spurs received for Bale or unless there's a new clause in his contract that stipulates he can leave for a set low-ish figure to a club abroad, but I'm convinced I'm the only one who's not keen on Benzema, and I'm saying that as a big defender of his for a long time. I don't think we'd bring in another striker anyway if Suarez was sold, a wing forward would be more likely. T

Though I suppose some people here would be delighted with Benzema for the sheer fact he's a 'big name'. Higuain last summer would have been a better fit for Liverpool had Suarez gone to Real.

Hypothetically speaking, Varene, Di Maria, Jese (despite the bad injury) and Carvajal would be the ones I'd be interested in in any potential swap + cash deal. A defence of Carvajal - Varene - Sakho - Moreno, just imagine. Spain's future national team full backs and France's future national team center backs. Tasty, but merely a fantasy.

Hulk Hands · 05-06-2014 02:19PM

Muhahahaha seems a good name for a troll alright. Get Ronaldo, Bale, Benzema or Modric. 8/1 shots for the CL. LOL

Devilman40k · 05-06-2014 02:21PM

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Hypothetically speaking, Varene, Di Maria, Jese (despite the bad injury) and Carvajal would be the ones I'd be interested in in any potential swap + cash deal. A defence of Carvajal - Varene - Sakho - Moreno, just imagine. Spain's future national team full backs and France's future national team center backs. Tasty, but merely a fantasy.

IF Suarez was a target and a bid came our way..I'd be saying ok...cash plus these 2 (make the cash part > £60m too)

Kirby · 05-06-2014 02:29PM

Devilman40k wrote: »

IF Suarez was a target and a bid came our way..I'd be saying ok...cash plus these 2 (make the cash part > £60m too)

Varane and DiMaria are worth atleast 20 million each....so unless you think Suarez is worth 100 million that ones a non starter.

Besides, whens the last time you saw a swap deal work? And why would either want to leave Madrid at all?

Devilman40k · 05-06-2014 02:31PM

Kirby wrote: »

Varane and DiMaria are worth atleast 20 million each....so unless you think Suarez is worth 100 million that ones a non starter.

Besides, whens the last time you saw a swap deal work? And why would either want to leave Madrid at all?

That's the point... make the deal prohibitive. If we continue to get into the CL for the next 4 years, that makes the club more money than any deal to sell Suarez does in the short term

gafferino · 05-06-2014 02:40PM

Morzadec wrote: »

I agree but it's early days and I highly doubt they are the pinnacle

Everything would point towards both players being squad options/different options, in particular the prices of both players.

For me both players suggest they will offer something we don't have and bulk out our squad.

The fees have been minimal.

I would expect the real deals, the bigger deals to come.

Let's not make judgements on the 5th of June. Bar Chelsea, no one has made any significant signings yet

Sadly I dont think we will make any 'big signings' this summer. I think the owners will continue their current policy which has propelled them from 7th to 2nd. Lambert and Can would be aligned with this policy.

I really hope I am wrong.

tok9 · 05-06-2014 02:45PM

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Hypothetically speaking, Varene, Di Maria, Jese (despite the bad injury) and Carvajal would be the ones I'd be interested in in any potential swap + cash deal. A defence of Carvajal - Varene - Sakho - Moreno, just imagine. Spain's future national team full backs and France's future national team center backs. Tasty, but merely a fantasy.

Interesting you say that Ade. I've barely seen any of Carvajal but from the Champions League Final I thought he was a massive weak link for Madrid. Thought his touch was really heavy, made some poor decisions and was burnt quite often by Atletico.

Am I just completely wrong or was that a bad game for him?

Nuri Sahin · 05-06-2014 02:51PM

brevity wrote: »

Analysis on Emre Can (with the fancy pictures that Morzadec likes)

http://www.statsbomb.com/2014/06/transfer-dossier-welcome-to-anfield-emre-can/

I liked this part -

His time at Leverkusen this year was split almost evenly between left back and midfield, where he spent time as a box-to-box midfielder and a DM.

Utopia Parkway · 05-06-2014 02:51PM

gafferino wrote: »

Sadly I dont think we will make any 'big signings' this summer. I think the owners will continue their current policy which has propelled them from 7th to 2nd. Lambert and Can would be aligned with this policy.

I really hope I am wrong.

I think we'll spend big on one player at least. Something in the 25M range.

Nuri Sahin · 05-06-2014 03:01PM

tok9 wrote: »

Interesting you say that Ade. I've barely seen any of Carvajal but from the Champions League Final I thought he was a massive weak link for Madrid. Thought his touch was really heavy, made some poor decisions and was burnt quite often by Atletico.

Am I just completely wrong or was that a bad game for him?

Defensively he isn't the best, but I wouldn't say he's terrible like Glen 'but sure, he's good going forward' Johnson is. It was the Champions League Final after all, and Atleti were outstanding for an hour or so let's not forget with their ruthless pressing. He did a real job on Ribery in the semi finals, not just in 90 minutes, but over the course of 180 minutes. Ribery ended up lashing out in frustration at him. I'm fairly sure he won Real Madrid's Most Improved Player award too this season, I'll look up a link. I know I read that a month or two somewhere for sure.

Leverkusen, he was outstanding as an attacking threat and my fandom for him stems from that.

edit - just to add, the way I see it is that when the attacking talent is so good, you can somewhat ignore some defensive flaws in a full back, case in point Dani Alves, Alba.. even Johnson at Pompey for a season.

http://www.managingmadrid.com/2014/4/30/5667558/daniel-carvajal-real-madrid-bayern-semifinals

Muahahaha · 05-06-2014 03:01PM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Muhahahaha seems a good name for a troll alright. Get Ronaldo, Bale, Benzema or Modric. 8/1 shots for the CL. LOL

Maybe you're happy with fighting for 4th place every year but I've got more ambition than that.

Liverpool are a top, top club who are on the rise. If we lose Suarez we need a big name to replace him and Madrid is the place to do that. If we just tried to scoop Modric from Madrid is a straight cash deal we wouldn't have a hope of getting him. However if Suarez was the lynchpin then we might just get him. What I'm saying is that if all we do is sell Suarez to Madrid for a big wad of cash then we will have missed a golden opportunity to pick up a world class player and then we'll be left in a situation akin to the Torres Andy Carroll scenario where we can't even buy unproven players for less than £30m so the whole Suarez deal becomes a mess as we lose our best player and end up paying a shed load for someone who won't even replace 50% of his output.

I don't honestly think for one minute that we would get Bale or Ronaldo. However if we have the worlds hottest striker on our books then we are negotiating from a position of strength, not weakness as you seem to think.

Utopia Parkway · 05-06-2014 03:01PM

The Statsbomb article on Can does make a good point. If you tried to buy a similiar English player he would cost twice as much. A 20 year old who played regularly for a Champions League side. A ton of potential but still a bit raw and unpolished.

Tusky · 05-06-2014 03:08PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

The Statsbomb article on Can does make a good point. If you tried to buy a similiar English player he would cost twice as much. A 20 year old who played regularly for a Champions League side. A ton of potential but still a bit raw and unpolished.

Sounds kind of like Barkley, minus the CL.

Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

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