Manchester United Superthread 2014 mod warning #8081

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Well then why didn't Jose get the forward he was after last Summer, or in January? Or City get DeRossi? It happens to all clubs.

This time though it appears we never even made a move for him which would indicate we have zero interest in him (or he has no interest in us), and yet still people are on screaming about how useless we are at transfers.

Eto came in for Chelsea and scored a few when needed in a small enough amount of games. Fernandinho was one of citys most important players last season. United s summer signing well we all know how that went....

Guillem Balague ‏@GuillemBalague 2m

Cesc hasnt got a deal with Chelsea, it doesnt matter what Pique or others say. Not yet. Conversations taking place but NO DEAL YET. Not yet

So it's confirmed then. He's going to Chelsea

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Van Persie and only recently De Gea and maybe Mata have proved to be hits out of the ones you mentioned.

That is a completely different argument. You were complaining that United always take a long time to sort out transfers and that they fail more often than their rivals. That is what I was disagreeing with you on.

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

City s transfers over the last few seasons : http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/manchester-city-transfers.html

Chelseas : http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/chelsea-transfers.html

Manchester Uniteds : http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/manchester-united-transfers.html

Chelsea and City are not our rivals in the transfer market. Complaining about the fact that United can't sign players as easily as Chelsea and City is ridiculous. Of course we can't.

Pro. F wrote: »

That is a completely different argument. You were complaining that United always take a long time to sort out transfers and that they fail more often than their rivals. That is what I was disagreeing with you on.



Chelsea and City are not our rivals in the transfer market. Complaining about the fact that United can't sign players as easily as Chelsea and City is ridiculous. Of course we can't.

But there our main rivals in the league what they do during a transfer window will affect us. My point was United have a history of not getting deals done in the past with players. They also have a history of pretty much ignoring areas that needed to be improved on.

We have been low balling when it comes to transfer fees then you see the likes of Chelsea or City come in and offer the money wanted and more often then not the players theres. Yes they clearly have more money then us but where not a poor club ffs where just being tight when theres no need to be.

We had the money to splash out on two 30 plus mill players last year and other years so why the need to low ball and lose out on other deals?

We should be able to attract players unless where been outbid in a huge way theres no excuses.

I honestly think where trying to save money on deals and in doing so we lose out when other clubs are willing to spend. Fabregas last year was a perfect example.

Wouldn't like to start a fight but there's something I was curious about,
Do/How most most of you believe stories that appear in the newspaper? honestly
From reading a few pages back i've seen posts about how Fabregas is going to Chelsea, ye were in for Kroos until Van Gaal said no, similar to Fabregas, then further back that at one stage the Shaw deal was as good as done, just to name a few.

All of these stories seem to have come from one newspaper or another, which are wrong 99% of the time about transfers ( this is one of those seldom times where that figure is not an exaggeration )

Unless it's on Skysportsnews i'd always take any other story wit a pinch of salt. That said, none of these stories have appeared on the channel, so who knows what's going on behind the scenes. Chill out lads, judging by a few pages of reading some of ye are freaking out or holding no hope.
Ye could well end up with Kroos/Fabregas or somebody else of that quality, along with Shaw.

I know, I know . I just hate it being seen as the gospel so often

Pro. F wrote: »

City and Chelsea have sugar daddies that can afford to waste money that we cannot. That is why they get their deals done easier than United. The fact that we are trying to compete with them on the pitch does not mean that we should be able to compete with them in the transfer market. There is no argument to be had here, United cannot compete with City and Chelsea in the transfer market.

United do not have a history of failing to conclude deals any more than the other clubs who have a similar transfer spend to us.

The fact that United have bought too many strikers, wingers and centre-backs rather than other areas that needed fixing is not something I disagree with. It is also not an issue that has been caused by how we conduct transfer negotiations, but rather who Fergie and Moyes chose to go for.

Edit: I agree that it's possible that last summer United low balled too much. But, again, that is not what I disagreed with about in your post.

I actually get my posts crossed sometimes on here as im posting from my phone alot of the time and i find it harder to get what im trying to say across .

Basically i think united have shown in the past they can get deals done big deals but the issue is there not always the ones that where needed. I think before Chelsea and City came into money we didnt have that many issues in the league with spending. Its a whole different ball game now and i look at some of the players they have brought in and think god if we could of even gotten one or two of them how different would things be now.......

Unless we actually know what is going on behind the scenes its hard to know what mistakes are being made and whos making them but clearly someone is not doing there job right because we are yet to address issues at the club for years now and its not as if we have not had many many chances to.

We cant even say its one person because its clearly not.

I still think we need to act faster if where not going to be able to out bid certain teams then we have to act before they do and try and close a deal pay the extra five or so million if needed and get the player we want. I know its not always that simple but where not a small club! we should be able to attract big names every year.

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

I actually get my posts crossed sometimes on here as im posting from my phone alot of the time and i find it harder to get what im trying to say across .

Basically i think united have shown in the past they can get deals done big deals but the issue is there not always the ones that where needed. I think before Chelsea and City came into money we didnt have that many issues in the league with spending. Its a whole different ball game now and i look at some of the players they have brought in and think god if we could of even gotten one or two of them how different would things be now.......

Of course things are different now. There are two sugar daddy clubs who can afford to dwarf our transfer spend.

And United are still getting big deals done. We just bought Mata a few months ago for fúck's sake.

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Unless we actually know what is going on behind the scenes its hard to know what mistakes are being made and whos making them but clearly someone is not doing there job right because we are yet to address issues at the club for years now and its not as if we have not had many many chances to.

We cant even say its one person because its clearly not.

I still think we need to act faster if where not going to be able to out bid certain teams then we have to act before they do and try and close a deal pay the extra five or so million if needed and get the player we want. I know its not always that simple but where not a small club! we should be able to attract big names every year.

We do attract big names every year. This year we bought Mata. Last year we bought RvP and Kagawa. The previous year we bought de Gea.

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

But there our main rivals in the league what they do during a transfer window will affect us.

Your main rivals in the league this year were Spurs and Southampton.

If Valencia had his body weight on his right leg it would of been broken and it would be bye bye World Cup.

Don't think it was malicious by Sterling though, just inexperience.

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Yes, but go back for last 2 to 3 summers and how many people were saying the squad was fine etc...and some can rant all they like, but especially the summers of 2011 and 2012 a lot of fans were too content with a squad that was begging for freshness and a few players of class.

We have lost a lot of players since then.