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Manchester United Superthread 2014 mod warning #8081

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  • #8012
    MagicIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,902 ✭✭✭MagicIRL


    Didn't Rooney play out left with Tevez and Ronaldo back in the day? Memory might not be too good. I swear he was deployed out left before.


  • #8013
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    he has played on the left and right loads of times before, no big deal, he will get more space out there anyway might be more effective in this world cup. 300k a week he should be able to play anywhere he is told


  • #8014
    Corvo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,757 ✭✭✭Corvo


    MagicIRL wrote: »
    Didn't Rooney play out left with Tevez and Ronaldo back in the day? Memory might not be too good. I swear he was deployed out left before.

    Oh he has, plenty of times and spent the majority of that season drifting in from there and he did quite well.

    Just think that when it comes to England they would be better with Sterling or Welbeck out there so that leaves Rooney with his favoured position. BUT if he isn't fit enough or playing well enough to be there then he shouldn't play at all. Keep the players that belong on the wing on the wing and replace Rooney with someone else


  • #8015
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »
    So rooney scores 4 less than sturridge being played out of position... nevermind the united team behind rooney being shocking bad this year plus add in rooneys workrate on the pitch..

    Sturridge isnt even good enough to clean rooneys boots

    This is a valid point. Rooney's goals come from playing in a team that performed dismally and finished 7th. Sturridge from a team that was a victory away from winning the league. Comparing players using these numbers is meaningless.


  • #8016
    Lukker-
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »

    Rooney is better than Sturridge as a striker but Sturridge is on form and Rooney has been playing out of position most of the past two years so you can understand why Roy picks him

    Maybe 2 seasons ago. They are both at seperate ends of the spectrum, Rooney is on a downward curve, Sturridge on an upward. I expect it to stay that way. I think Rooney peaked about 4 seasons ago, when he scored 26 goals in the PL.


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  • #8017
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    Lukker- wrote: »
    Maybe 2 seasons ago. They are both at seperate ends of the spectrum, Rooney is on a downward curve, Sturridge on an upward. I expect it to stay that way. I think Rooney peaked about 4 seasons ago, when he scored 26 goals in the PL.


    What about 2 seasons ago when he scored 27 goals in the PL?

    What is the common denominator with both of those seasons? Rooney played as a striker.


  • #8018
    Macca07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭Macca07


    bangkok wrote: »
    and rooney has 2 world cups under him and was rubbish in both.... scholes was right about rooney... his best days are behind him

    17 goals and 10 assists in the worst United season in 25 years would say otherwise.


  • #8019
    Lukker-
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    What about 2 seasons ago when he scored 27 goals in the PL?

    What is the common denominator with both of those seasons? Rooney played as a striker.

    I still think 2010 is probably his most impressive season, but he was excellent that season too. He was played out of position plenty early on in his United career and always impressed me.

    Van Persie missed a huge chunk of last season, so he had plenty of games up front on his own he still looked sub-par. I just think he's past his best.


  • #8020
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    Lukker- wrote: »
    I still think 2010 is probably his most impressive season, but he was excellent that season too. He was played out of position plenty early on in his United career and always impressed me.

    Van Persie missed a huge chunk of last season, so he had plenty of games up front on his own he still looked sub-par. I just think he's past his best.


    And he scored 17 goals and 10 assists last season in the worst United team of the PL era.

    Your opinion seems to be made without really considering any of the facts that say otherwise


  • #8021
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    Macca07 wrote: »
    17 goals and 10 assists in the worst United season in 25 years would say otherwise.

    even in the best united teams rooney never dominated a champions league game either in the way a Ronaldo messi iniesta xavi scholes ever had.

    don't get me wrong he is still a great player but imo we have already seen the best of wayne rooney. Be interesting to see what shape he comes back to united after his summer of drinking smoking and eating kebabs and chips. Imagine a few years ago fergie had to send him to America to Nike headquarters for 2 weeks intense training as he let himself go completely during the summer


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  • #8022
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    And he scored 17 goals and 10 assists last season in the worst United team of the PL era.

    Your opinion seems to be made without really considering any of the facts that say otherwise


    same utd team that won a league by 11 points the year before that and added fellaini and mata to that squad


  • #8023
    Adamcp898
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Adamcp898


    MD1990 wrote: »
    Sturridge is England's best striker & has great pace to stretch defences. Rooney always underperforms at major tournaments.
    Rooney's lifestyle is catching up with him & it looks like he reached his peak in the 11/12 season.

    Rooney has had issues going into his last few major tournaments, and as I said, you can take the fact he was still brought to them all as a measure of his importance to England.

    That and Sturridge didn't exactly end the season in the form that seen him score most of his goals. Sterling is head and shoulders above him in terms of ''current form'' if people want to stay strictly to it.


  • #8024
    Agueroooo
    Site Banned Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭Agueroooo


    DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

    Sturridge isnt even good enough to clean rooneys boots
    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    This is a valid point. Rooney's goals come from playing in a team that performed dismally and finished 7th. Sturridge from a team that was a victory away from winning the league. Comparing players using these numbers is meaningless.

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  • #8025
    Will I Amnt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    It's Rooney over Sturridge for me, England won't be nearly as dominant in games as Liverpool were for most of this season, can't see Sturridge being anywhere near as consistent at the World Cup. When Rooney plays up top he scores and scores a lot.
    I don't buy into the "past it" label just yet, he never relied too heavily on pace anyway. I'd give him another season before making that call.


  • #8026
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    Will I Amnt wrote: »
    It's Rooney over Sturridge for me, England won't be nearly as dominant in games as Liverpool were for most of this season, can't see Sturridge being anywhere near as consistent at the World Cup. When Rooney plays up top he scores and scores a lot.
    I don't buy into the "past it" label just yet, he never relied too heavily on pace anyway. I'd give him another season before making that call.


    serious??


  • #8027
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Marca are saying that Barca would rather do business with United over Chelsea regarding any transfer of Fabergas seeing as Chelsea are in the UCL next season & we aren't,they don't want to strengthen a rival.


  • #8028
    Vic Vinegar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭Vic Vinegar


    bangkok wrote: »
    serious??

    He's right though.


  • #8029
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Agueroooo wrote: »
    yO_Aw7.gif

    Is it any opinion that doesn't fawn over the genius of Sturridge while disparaging Rooney that will be mocked?


  • #8030
    Lukker-
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    And he scored 17 goals and 10 assists last season in the worst United team of the PL era.

    Your opinion seems to be made without really considering any of the facts that say otherwise

    It's from watching him. I know United had a bad season, but I think a lot of that team are coming to end of their current cycle this season, much like what has happened at Chelsea. Rooney's will be 29 this year, not old by any standards and he should realistically be hitting his peak now but for a player who has struggled to keep his fitness up in recent years, I don't see a resurgence in form on the cards. He certainly won't score 27 goals in the league again. I don't see how he'll even fit into Van Gaals team personally, Van Persie is a better option up front, Rooney has been a waste of time in #10. I think giving him that new deal will turn out to be the worst bit of business since Torres moving to Chelsea.


  • #8031
    Will I Amnt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    bangkok wrote: »
    serious??

    Yeah, he's not totally reliant on pace in the way players like Torres or Owen were. He has lost that burst he had but it hasn't destroyed him as a player in the way it did the other 2.


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  • #8032
    Macca07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭Macca07


    bangkok wrote: »
    even in the best united teams rooney never dominated a champions league game either in the way a Ronaldo messi iniesta xavi scholes ever had.

    Never? I think there are a lot of people that would disagree with that statement.

    Personally, I don't think Rooney is anywhere near as good as the 5 players mentioned above, but to say he has never dominated a game like those is ridiculous.


  • #8033
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,996 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    zerks wrote: »
    Marca are saying that Barca would rather do business with United over Chelsea regarding any transfer of Fabergas seeing as Chelsea are in the UCL next season & we aren't,they don't want to strengthen a rival.

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  • #8034
    Agueroooo
    Site Banned Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭Agueroooo


    kryogen wrote: »
    Is it any opinion that doesn't fawn over the genius of Sturridge while disparaging Rooney that will be mocked?

    no.

    and nobody called Sturridge a genius, but the last two comparisons and statements did make me laugh. a lot.:)


  • #8035
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Agueroooo wrote: »
    no.

    and nobody called Sturridge a genius, but the last two comparisons and statements did make me laugh a lot.:)

    Must be nice to be so easily amused.

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  • #8036
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bangkok wrote: »
    even in the best united teams rooney never dominated a champions league game either in the way a Ronaldo messi iniesta xavi scholes ever had

    Well this is pure bollocks. I suggest you watch a few of the games in 2011 again. He tore Milan to shreds and led United to the final where he was United's best player by a long way, getting a great goal feeding off scraps. He adapted his game to be an out and out striker and has lost a lot of the attributes that made him a standout second striker in his youth. When played up front he is deadly. I don't really like him but he is better than Sturridge.


  • #8037
    fitzer1982
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭fitzer1982


    To be honest I think a fit and healthy Rooney will be invaluable for England, just not sure he'll have the time to get there for the world cup.

    When Rooney is fit and healthy and has played games he's a world beater unfortunately he needs to be playing games to get to that level and I don't think the amount of games he played at the end of this season will be enough.


  • #8038
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    So from my morning read.

    The Shaw to United deal is being put on hold until Southampton appoint a new manager. The club feel they won't attract a good candidate if they are seen selling their top assets..and want to have the new manager make the call on keeping Shaw or letting him leave. Seemingly Shaw is keen for the move to conclude ASAP.

    Mourinho has little to no interest and Chelsea are trying to convince him to take Fabregas. Mourinho is holding firm and doesn't want him..and will make a merry song and dance if Cesc is pushes on him. The player is becoming increasingly worried about the situation.

    All the while we are seemingly still not interested and have not and will not put forward a bid.

    One fella is saying Strootman is going to be most likely a massive January acquisition ...as the club want to monitor his recovery and return to the field with Roma before bidding in what will be in the region of 25-30m to secure him. Available to us for 12m last sumer. Ffs.

    Interesting reading this morning.


  • #8039
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    Macca07 wrote: »
    Never? I think there are a lot of people that would disagree with that statement.

    Personally, I don't think Rooney is anywhere near as good as the 5 players mentioned above, but to say he has never dominated a game like those is ridiculous.

    well most commentators would say the same, he has never truly been a stand out player in a champions league season. in big champions league games rooney has more often than not has gone missing


  • #8040
    Vic Vinegar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭Vic Vinegar


    Agueroooo wrote: »
    no.

    and nobody called Sturridge a genius, but the last two comparisons and statements did make me laugh. a lot.:)

    Like all of us when Gerrard did his slippy thing then.


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  • #8041
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    Liam O wrote: »
    Well this is pure bollocks. I suggest you watch a few of the games in 2011 again. He tore Milan to shreds and led United to the final where he was United's best player by a long way, getting a great goal feeding off scraps. He adapted his game to be an out and out striker and has lost a lot of the attributes that made him a standout second striker in his youth. When played up front he is deadly. I don't really like him but he is better than Sturridge.

    Milan 2011?? your facts are incorrect they never played Milan 2011, Marseille, Chelsea and schalke in the knockout rounds


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