Well done Aer Lingus

Kermit.de.frog · 03-06-2014 04:03PM #1

Firstly I love Aer Lingus and fly with them as regularly as I can but I completely support this action against these striking workers.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0603/621344-aer-lingus/

My reasons are two fold.

1. The inconvenience and reputational damage to the airline and the country by their actions. They still seem to think the airline is a public company they can push around.

2. The as yet not fessed up to culpability of the entire trade union movement particularly in the public sector in the mess we are in today.

They messed us up when we had money and now they want to do it again when we don't.

TiGeR KiNgS · 03-06-2014 04:07PM

The airline industry works off razor thin margins. I also agree with this counter action.

suicide_circus · 03-06-2014 04:16PM

proper order.

gramar · 03-06-2014 04:19PM

Proper order. I'm 35 and for as long as I can remember Aer Lingus has been held to ransom by trade unions. The company is still riddled with a sense of self-entitlement and a job for life attitude among it's staff.

893bet · 03-06-2014 04:21PM

There has to be balance between employers and the unions.

Unions are most definitely needed in order to protect employees however there has to be give and take especially in challenging conditions.

jiminho · 03-06-2014 04:22PM

Fair play to Aer Lingus. They haven't had it easy and I predict within 20 years, they won't exist anymore. Striking over roster arrangements is ridiculous tho. They must know they're not in a 9-5 job and cabin crew need to be moved from one flight to another. It will never end

Collie D · 03-06-2014 04:31PM

While I don't necessarily agree with cabin crew striking over rosters and can't really argue against Aer Lingus docking a day's wages for the strike this kind of unilateral action isn't exactly going to help matters.

Mr. Incognito · 03-06-2014 04:36PM

Cabin crew should not get the same rest hours as pilots. These unions are not acting in their members interests.

It's sad to see the airline pull all their free travel perks as will only harden the workers stance but these workers are not being exploited.

They are being unrealistic. Are lingus is barely hanging on, many more hits like this and the cabin crew will have no hours to work. Good luck to them when that happens.

Specialun · 03-06-2014 04:37PM

Completely agree with Aer Lingus here. The trade unions are constantly looking to push things and always threaten strike action very fast. No way should Aer Lingus roll over for them

Steven81 · 03-06-2014 04:45PM

Would love to see what o leary would do if people dared mess with him

Collie D · 03-06-2014 04:46PM

Steven81 wrote: »

Would love to see what o leary would do if people dared mess withstood up to him

Fixed that for you. The man's a bully

glued · 03-06-2014 04:46PM

Trade Unionism within Aer Lingus has gone too far. They're holding the company to ransom. They have gone too far and are expecting unrealistic work conditions. They're becoming corrupt and shiftless. Their tactics do nothing for their cause but damage the customer and more importantly the company.

irishfeen · 03-06-2014 04:47PM

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Cabin crew should not get the same rest hours as pilots. These unions are not acting in their members interests.

It's sad to see the airline pull all their free travel perks as will only harden the workers stance but these workers are not being exploited.

They are being unrealistic. Aer lingus is barely hanging on, many more hits like this and the cabin crew will have no hours to work. Good luck to them when that happens.

I was under the impression that they had turned the corner, their new US Direct flights are doing very well and short distance flights were they last time I read doing well too??

I totally agree here with Aer Lingus, maybe this is just one step too far for AL to agree to and the Unions have bitten off more then they can chew - from gauging the reaction of normal folk the workers have very little support.

tayto lover · 03-06-2014 04:48PM

How dare these workers stand up for themselves.
Ban the unions rabble rabble.

Buzz Killington the third · 03-06-2014 04:51PM

Unions should be a thing of the past. I'm delighted to see Aer Lingus give disruptive union members the two fingers.

irishfeen · 03-06-2014 04:51PM

tayto lover wrote: »

How dare these workers stand up for themselves.
Ban the unions rabble rabble.

... but honestly there is defending yourself and taking the piss, Aer Lingus is under massive pressure from competitors and can't just give their staff everything they want.

tayto lover · 03-06-2014 04:53PM

irishfeen wrote: »

... but honestly there is defending yourself and taking the piss, Aer Lingus is under massive pressure from competitors and can't just give their staff everything they want.

Then why can't they sit down with the workers and agree a roster? Simple thing to do and will happen in the end as usual.

vicwatson · 03-06-2014 04:54PM

gramar wrote: »

Proper order. I'm 35 and for as long as I can remember Aer Lingus has been held to ransom by trade unions. The company is still riddled with a sense of self-entitlement and a job for life attitude among it's staff.

Do you mean all staff?

Kermit.de.frog · 03-06-2014 04:56PM

Don't forget the EU will not allow another government bailout of Aer Lingus if it gets into trouble again.

Next time it's curtains. Look at what happened to Sabena if people think that won't happen and that airline was Belgian!

bumper234 · 03-06-2014 04:57PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Then why can't they sit down with the workers and agree a roster? Simple thing to do and will happen in the end as usual.

the workers agreed a roster when they signed a contract of employment. Do you think anyone else can walk into their bosses office tomorrow and demand their working hours be changed?

Balmed Out · 03-06-2014 05:01PM

Think it should be illegal for transport links to be affected by strikes. Were an island economy and these actions have too many knock on affects.

irishfeen · 03-06-2014 05:01PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Then why can't they sit down with the workers and agree a roster? Simple thing to do and will happen in the end as usual.

Of course it will happen eventually but I get the feeling if the staff go out again there could be a major public backlash for them, not Aer Lingus - maybe its something AL might actually want to see happen so they can hold the upper hand.

We have to remember that this airline is still part semi-state run, ~25% of this company is ours so we should be looking for the AL hierarchy to get the best deal for the taxpayer.

irishfeen · 03-06-2014 05:03PM

Balmed Out wrote: »

Think it should be illegal for transport links to be affected by strikes. Were an island economy and these actions have too many knock on affects.

Well everyone should have the right to strike but I think 1/2 months notice should have to be given for every strike day to give the Airline and passengers the chance to make other arrangements.

irishfeen · 03-06-2014 05:05PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Don't forget the EU will not allow another government bailout of Aer Lingus if it gets into trouble again.

Next time it's curtains. Look at what happened to Sabena if people think that won't happen and that airline was Belgian!

Yep, any further escalation could make jobs vulnerable at the airline..

Balmed Out · 03-06-2014 05:07PM

irishfeen wrote: »

Well everyone should have the right to strike but I think 1/2 months notice should have to be given for every strike day to give the Airline and passengers the chance to make other arrangements.

Nope I dont think fire, police, medical or transport services should have the right to strike.

satguy · 03-06-2014 05:21PM

Well Done Aer Lingus ,, Ryanair was always the butt of the joke, how we, and Aer Lingus poked fun at them, and that mad nut job of a website they used to have, ( but kinda still do )..

But Aer Lingus is most definitely the butt of the joke now, and an airline that has well passed its sell by date....
And as for that bloody website site of theirs, it makes the ryanair one look like a work of art,,..

Well Done Ryanair,, Go Away Aer Lingus you are the weakest link...

Steppenwolfe · 03-06-2014 05:22PM

I hate to piss on all your parades, but as soon as an agreement is negotiated they will get their travel perks back as part of the deal. Both sides are playing hardball. I doubt the cabin crew would be prepared to lose a days pay and their travel perks unless they were serious about securing better working conditions. In the end there will be a negotiated compromise and it will be business as usual.

SEPT 23 1989 · 03-06-2014 05:23PM

I would sue the union leader personally for every cent lost on the day of the strike

minidazzler · 03-06-2014 05:28PM

There's striking for unfair and unsafe work practices and then there is this. A bunch of arseholes costing a company money and 40000 people their weekend plans because they have to work a few sh1tty hours. They knew it wasn't a 9-5 when they signed up.

Reekwind · 03-06-2014 05:28PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They messed us up when we had money and now they want to do it again when we don't.

They're also the reason you have a weekend. I don't see you rushing to give that back?

smileyj1987 · 03-06-2014 05:46PM

While I do agree with trade unions and the help and things they can do for you in employment . The trade union is out of line at this moment in time .

1). The company is barely holding on .
2). These people signed up to a job that would demand tough hours and a lot of flexibility .
3). The amount of people out of work that would gladly take the jobs and hours that goes with it is through the roof .

Well done Aer Lingus

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