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VDSL Stats - Whats yours?

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  • #482
    dazdrog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭dazdrog


    after two months of waiting and absolute bollox from vodafone, from putting in a new line when one wasnt needed, to fudging up the original order for fiber and giving me adsl2+ (max speed 12mb) ive finally got fiber. anyone able tell me how to get my max rate?

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    Line standard VDSL2
    Channel type
    None
    Downstream line rate (kbit/s)50176
    Upstream line rate (kbit/s)15360
    Downstream SNR (dB) 13.6
    Upstream SNR (dB) 14.3
    Downstream line attenuation (dB) 14.2
    Upstream line attenuation (dB) 4.9
    Downstream output power (dBmV) 12.5
    Upstream output power (dBmV) 1.7
    Downstream CRC 0
    Upstream CRC 0
    Downstream FEC 105
    Upstream FEC 0


  • #483
    dazdrog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭dazdrog


    dazdrog wrote: »
    after two months of waiting and absolute bollox from vodafone, from putting in a new line when one wasnt needed, to fudging up the original order for fiber and giving me adsl2+ (max speed 12mb) ive finally got fiber. anyone able tell me how to get my max rate?

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    got it sorted, will be ringing them tomorrow to get a bump up
    Line standard VDSL2
    Channel type
    None
    Downstream line rate (kbit/s)50176
    Upstream line rate (kbit/s)15360
    Downstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 65992
    Upstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 24093
    Downstream SNR (dB) 14.6
    Upstream SNR (dB) 14.5
    Downstream line attenuation (dB) 14.2
    Upstream line attenuation (dB) 4.9
    Downstream output power (dBmV) 12.5
    Upstream output power (dBmV) 1.7
    Downstream CRC 0
    Upstream CRC 0
    Downstream FEC 1569
    Upstream FEC 0


  • #484
    jantheman91
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭jantheman91


    What sort of Noise margin and line attenuation values are considered great (after vectoring has been considered)?

    Thanks.


  • #485
    dazdrog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭dazdrog


    jantheman91 wrote: »
    What sort of Noise margin and line attenuation values are considered great (after vectoring has been considered)?

    Thanks.

    generally the higher the better on the downstream = the more speed you should be able to get, with my snr sitting at 14.6 im hoping to get a boost to a 60/20 profile from my current 50/15

    well fingers crossed i can, before vectoring i was with magnet and on a 50/20 profile with a snr as low as 6.0 and the line was fully stable giving me between 45-48mb download and 18-19mb upload


  • #486
    jca
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭jca


    With snr the higher the better, attenuation the lower the better.


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  • #487
    peking97
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭peking97


    Here's an interesting situation from my (modified) stats page the downstream rate is actually higher than the attainable rate! Any of you guys ever see that before? Seems strange to me.:confused:


  • #488
    jca
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭jca


    peking97 wrote: »
    Here's an interesting situation from my (modified) stats page the downstream rate is actually higher than the attainable rate! Any of you guys ever see that before? Seems strange to me.:confused:

    Yep I had that for a while too. I just don't bother looking at the stats anymore. The router is so slow to do anything I've given up trying to access it.


  • #489
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    peking97 wrote: »
    Here's an interesting situation from my (modified) stats page the downstream rate is actually higher than the attainable rate! Any of you guys ever see that before? Seems strange to me.:confused:

    That's actually normal behavior with noise fluctuations, as long as its not disconnecting its fine


  • #490
    smemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭smemon


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    I've rang Vodafone a couple of times now asking if there's any reason why Speedtest results would be so low compared to sync speed and attainable rate...

    I'm no more than 300m from the cab... should I be happy with in or around 55mb or should I be expecting more?

    Previously i was on a 50/20 and getting ~47mb according to speedtest... they moved me to a rate adaptive profile so i assumed i'd get in or around the max rate again on that but it appears not to be the case...

    And for the record I've never seen speedtest results above 60mb... usually they're in or around 50mb...


  • #491
    crawler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭crawler


    Are you using Wifi? Dpeendiong on the wifi card you have, it coul dbe simply a wifi limitation.

    I'd connect a laptop with a cable and retest

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    I've rang Vodafone a couple of times now asking if there's any reason why Speedtest results would be so low compared to sync speed and attainable rate...

    I'm no more than 300m from the cab... should I be happy with in or around 55mb or should I be expecting more?

    Previously i was on a 50/20 and getting ~47mb according to speedtest... they moved me to a rate adaptive profile so i assumed i'd get in or around the max rate again on that but it appears not to be the case...

    And for the record I've never seen speedtest results above 60mb... usually they're in or around 50mb...[/QUOTE]


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  • #492
    jca
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭jca


    AlanS181824 wrote: »
    Kind of sounds like a DNS issue or maybe even an IP one.

    Make sure there's an Ethernet cable going from your router to the WAN port of the Whitebox then connect your computers to the white box.

    Also try resolve the issue with the Windows?
    I got it working:D. I got a free trial of eVision installed today but the poor installer couldn't get it to work for the life of him:( until, in an act of desperation he tried a new router and away it went:pac:. When he almost ran from the house I tried the whitebox and it connected straight away. Just got my automated email a minute ago. I never saw a Man as happy to leave a premises in my life, fair play he stuck it out until he got it sorted. The connection seems a lot faster too.


  • #493
    AlanS181824
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭AlanS181824


    jca wrote: »
    I got it working:D. I got a free trial of eVision installed today but the poor installer couldn't get it to work for the life of him:( until, in an act of desperation he tried a new router and away it went:pac:. When he almost ran from the house I tried the whitebox and it connected straight away. Just got my automated email a minute ago. I never saw a Man as happy to leave a premises in my life, fair play he stuck it out until he got it sorted. The connection seems a lot faster too.

    Great news! Thanks for the update!
    Seen a load of KN Networks around Carlow today, so a lot more people are getting connected.
    I'd love to try eVision but I sync at 100 and don't really want to lose that, plus I'm on Vodafone so... :P


  • #494
    jantheman91
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭jantheman91


    Anyone hazard a guess as to why my SNR is decreasing, and my attenuation increasing?

    SNR has dropped 4+ and attenuation increased by same.


  • #495
    jca
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭jca


    AlanS181824 wrote: »
    Great news! Thanks for the update!
    Seen a load of KN Networks around Carlow today, so a lot more people are getting connected.
    I'd love to try eVision but I sync at 100 and don't really want to lose that, plus I'm on Vodafone so... :P
    They took a good bit off my speed too from 50/20 to 34/20 but to be perfectly honest I can't say I've noticed. Since the new router was installed the connection seems to be getting quicker and quicker, only by accessing the router stats would I know that anything has changed. The eVision is very good and is performing faultlessly.


  • #496
    AlanS181824
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭AlanS181824


    jca wrote: »
    They took a good bit off my speed too from 50/20 to 34/20 but to be perfectly honest I can't say I've noticed. Since the new router was installed the connection seems to be getting quicker and quicker, only by accessing the router stats would I know that anything has changed. The eVision is very good and is performing faultlessly.

    That's great news, definitely.

    I wouldn't get eVision as my main TV service but I wouldn't consider getting it as a SaorView replacement.

    Shame I've another 17 months left with Vodafone :P

    How's the SamKnows box doing btw?


  • #497
    AlanS181824
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭AlanS181824


    My downstream SNR has rose from 13.9 to 15.1.

    Should I be worried?


  • #498
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    AlanS181824 wrote: »
    My downstream SNR has rose from 13.9 to 15.1.

    Should I be worried?

    Thats a GOOD thing. Once its above 9 you're doing just grand.


  • #499
    AlanS181824
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭AlanS181824


    ED E wrote: »
    Thats a GOOD thing. Once its above 9 you're doing just grand.

    Is it? You sure?


  • #500
    jantheman91
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭jantheman91


    AlanS181824 wrote: »
    Is it? You sure?

    Higher the SNR, the better.

    Mine is dropping, and the attenuation increasing for reasons I don't know...

    I'm only 150m from the cab too. Frustrating....


  • #501
    AlanS181824
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭AlanS181824


    jantheman91 wrote: »
    Higher the SNR, the better.

    Mine is dropping, and the attenuation increasing for reasons I don't know...

    I'm only 150m from the cab too. Frustrating....

    My modem hasn't rebooted yet but the SNR changed?

    I know it won't effect my 100/20 speed but maybe I should reboot it and see do the attainable change?


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  • #502
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    AlanS181824 wrote: »
    Is it? You sure?

    Yep. 0dB means that the signals and noise are the same level. Think of it like two speakers in the same room. One for music and one with white noise. 0dB they're the same volume, +3dB and the music is twice as loud as the white noise. +6db and its 4x as loud as the white noise. +9db is 8x... So for you at 15dB that means you have 32x louder music than white noise. Pretty easy to hear the music, or in this case the binary bits.


  • #503
    jantheman91
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭jantheman91


    AlanS181824 wrote: »
    My modem hasn't rebooted yet but the SNR changed?

    I know it won't effect my 100/20 speed but maybe I should reboot it and see do the attainable change?

    I'd reboot it and have a look at the new attainable.


  • #504
    AlanS181824
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭AlanS181824


    ED E wrote: »
    Yep. 0dB means that the signals and noise are the same level. Think of it like two speakers in the same room. One for music and one with white noise. 0dB they're the same volume, +3dB and the music is twice as loud as the white noise. +6db and its 4x as loud as the white noise. +9db is 8x... So for you at 15dB that means you have 32x louder music than white noise. Pretty easy to hear the music, or in this case the binary bits.

    Ah that makes sense.

    Thanks! :)


  • #505
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    AlanS181824 wrote: »
    My modem hasn't rebooted yet but the SNR changed?

    I know it won't effect my 100/20 speed but maybe I should reboot it and see do the attainable change?

    Attainables and SNRs are fluid. They wont stay the same. Your router is just doing estimations on the line. As long as you dont see wild moves you'll be fine.

    Attenuation will change a little too depending on tones, also its just a guesstimate. People on this thread need to realize that small fluctuations are nothing and to ignore em.


  • #506
    AlanS181824
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭AlanS181824


    ED E wrote: »
    Attainables and SNRs are fluid. They wont stay the same. Your router is just doing estimations on the line. As long as you dont see wild moves you'll be fine.

    Attenuation will change a little too depending on tones, also its just a guesstimate. People on this thread need to realize that small fluctuations are nothing and to ignore em.
    I remember having an attenuation of 20.1 or 21.1 something along those lines and then it jumped to 35 with Sky and now its 7.3 with Vodafone!

    Those are extreme jumps I know but I remember seeing them :P


  • #507
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    AlanS181824 wrote: »
    I remember having an attenuation of 20.1 or 21.1 something along those lines and then it jumped to 35 with Sky and now its 7.3 with Vodafone!

    Those are extreme jumps I know but I remember seeing them :P

    Thats DSL and then VDSL, you CANT compare them. The local loop is way shorter.


  • #508
    AlanS181824
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭AlanS181824


    ED E wrote: »
    Thats DSL and then VDSL, you CANT compare them. The local loop is way shorter.

    Yeah you're right.


  • #509
    jca
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭jca


    AlanS181824 wrote: »
    That's great news, definitely.

    I wouldn't get eVision as my main TV service but I wouldn't consider getting it as a SaorView replacement.

    Shame I've another 17 months left with Vodafone :P

    How's the SamKnows box doing btw?

    No I wouldn't either I took it on out of curiosity because it's free. I'm perfectly happy with sky as my TV provider much better selection of channels and I have the ITV's ;);). Nothing to report from the samknows box yet probably some info available tomorrow.


  • #510
    AlanS181824
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭AlanS181824


    jca wrote: »
    No I wouldn't either I took it on out of curiosity because it's free. I'm perfectly happy with sky as my TV provider much better selection of channels and I have the ITV's ;);). Nothing to report from the samknows box yet probably some info available tomorrow.

    Something to note though, although I filled out 100Mb as my connection speed when I signed up when I log it it says my package is 70×20.

    Just something to note for the reporting.


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  • #511
    smemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭smemon


    After running cat 6 cable from router to my desktop...

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    200mb powerline adapters seem to be maxing out at about 60mb... 500mb ones aren't fairing much better so that was my 'problem'.


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