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Season 4, Episode 8 - 'The Mountain and the Viper', HAVE read the books.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    Christ, that ending was more gruesome than I ever imagined it while reading the fight scene in the book. Absolutely brilliant though.

    I'm glad Jorah is out on his own now - his character gets a chance to shine once Dany has sent him on his merry way. As already mentioned, his performance in this episode was the best to date, and it's only gonna get better now that he's on his lonesome.

    And so glad they showed Sansa growing as a character - in the books once she leaves King's Landing her character becomes much more interesting, but I hadn't felt they quite captured that in the show until now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Nerdlingr wrote: »
    Yeah that scream. Jaysus, pure agony. Loved the reactions of ellaria and tyrion as well. I thought in the book he kept on bashing his head instead of 'head popping' him but cant really remember. Amazing scene though, like others here I wish it had gone on longer.

    I did like how one punch from The Mountain knocked out his teeth, harks back to Bronn telling Tyrion why he wouldnt fight him given his brute strenght.Even Jaime looked impressed with Oberyn's moves and lets be honest aside from a few slip ups he was handing the Mountain his ass throughout that fight, it was really well done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,223 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    So they've basically taken Sansa's AFfC arc and torn it up. Which probably won't disappoint a lot of people though personally I really liked those chapters in the book.

    So next season either
    a) We get to see her on a non canon filler tour of the Vale with LF and SR, with lots of bumping into (or tragically just avoiding bumping into) various characters who may also be wandering the area ; Brienne, Catelyn, Jamie, Osha, Rickon, and The Hound. Sandor being the most likely candidate to meet up with her for an arc I'd have thought, if they want to keep his character relevant, which in itself would be a confirmation/small spoiler for those of us who think he is still has a part to play in the story.

    or
    b) we get to see major spoilers from TWoW.

    Its going to be a big decision for book readers whether to continue watching or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭OneOfThem Stumbled


    What on earth was that manservant doing with Oberyn's blades prior to the fight? Hope he wasn't cleaning off the poison. :eek:


  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What on earth was that manservant doing with Oberyn's blades prior to the fight? Hope he wasn't cleaning off the poison. :eek:

    Adding poison most likely I'd say.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,305 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Prodston


    Holy mother of god but Sansa was looking well, err I mean...drat the viper is dead :P

    Arya's laugh was brilliant, I just love Maisie Williams too. It was a clever way of showing how broken Arya has become that she finds the death of her Aunt just before arriving hysterical. I'm curious about where they're taking the Stark sisters' stories as both have us in unsullied territory. How does Arya end up anywhere but being reunited with Sansa from that point? The twist in her story that Maisie mentioned may not be the gift of mercy at all.

    The fight was a little short but wow that was so gruesome. Pedro Pascal was fantastic this season and we'll all be sorry to see him go, but what a way to go it was!

    Poor Jorah, but Barristan was such a good guy in the way he handled it. Hopefully as he becomes more prominent next season he won't suffer from the very ham-fisted acting of Emilia Clarke. Maybe that's harsh but dafuq was she looking at?

    Great shot of Winterfell too. I really enjoyed that episode and just 2 more to go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,880 ✭✭✭TimeToShine


    The fight scene was pretty much perfect. Could have done with Tyrion getting sick at the end but otherwise couldn't have been any better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    The fight scene was pretty much perfect. Could have done with Tyrion getting sick at the end but otherwise couldn't have been any better.

    I knew there was something missing. and his "i'm feeling more innocent by the minute" line


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Soft Falling Rain


    Don't think I'll be rewatching that episode anytime soon. It left me absolutely sick, similar to the red wedding (and I only rewatched that for the first time last week).

    What made Oberyn's death absolutely worse was Gregor's menacing "confession" while he was crushing Oberyn's head. I really hope they show the full extent of what Oberyn's poisoned blades do to the mountain.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 14,324 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Master


    Great fight scene
    Episode dragged in parts but enjoyed it overall

    Correct me if I'm wrong here but with 2 episodes left we still have to see amongst other things....
    Battle at Castle Black
    Ygritte dying
    Stannis arriving
    Tyrion's escape
    Shae dying
    Tywin dying
    Lady Stoneheart
    Arya and The Hound

    Loads to get through in such a small space of time


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  • Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Somehow I don't remember Oberyn's death being that gruesome in the books. I could barely watch that last bit. And I am a med student so not remotely squeamish :P

    The rest of the episode bothered me a bit though, ever since the Night's King stuff a few episodes back I'm getting more and more concerned that divergences in plot lines from the books may actually be spoilers/heading towards the next book, and I had that feeling a few times this episode. I think this will be my last season until all the books are published :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,456 ✭✭✭✭ibarelycare


    Liam O wrote: »
    Emilia Clarke is hamming up scenes far too much. Another poor performance in this one. Her overacting is getting really tiresome.

    Completely agree, she's becoming the worst part of the show for me, while Alfie Allen is becoming one of the best, another great performance from him.


    Feel like most here that the fight could have been longer, but it was awesome. I'm pretty ok with gruesome stuff most of the time but I had to look away during the eye gouging :eek: Oberyn was such a fantastic character, pity he was so short-lived, but at least he went out with a bang!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,880 ✭✭✭TimeToShine


    The Master wrote: »
    Great fight scene
    Episode dragged in parts but enjoyed it overall

    Correct me if I'm wrong here but with 2 episodes left we still have to see amongst other things....
    Battle at Castle Black
    Ygritte dying
    Stannis arriving
    Tyrion's escape
    Shae dying
    Tywin dying
    Lady Stoneheart
    Arya and The Hound

    Loads to get through in such a small space of time

    I think the next episode is all based at Castle Black so it should cover the first three.

    The last episode should cover the rest, but I'm not too sure if
    Jon will be announced as LC of the Nights Watch this season or if they'll wait till next year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    I think the next episode is all based at Castle Black so it should cover the first three.

    The last episode should cover the rest, but I'm not too sure if
    Jon will be announced as LC of the Nights Watch this season or if they'll wait till next year
    Why are you putting that in spoilers? This is the thread for people who have read the books. :confused:


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    What's with the spoiler tags?

    That end was probably the most gruesome scene in all of GoT. It felt so unexpected even though I knew it was coming! I don't think he crushed his eyes in the book though.

    And Sansa :D
    Conchir wrote: »
    Can't watch it yet... damn Leaving Cert!

    Seriously, what's more important? :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,456 ✭✭✭✭ibarelycare


    Nimrod 7 wrote: »
    What's with the spoiler tags?

    That end was probably the most gruesome scene in all of GoT. It felt so unexpected even though I knew it was coming! I don't think he crushed his eyes in the book though.

    And Sansa :D


    Seriously, what's more important? :p


    He did, this is the passage from the book:
    "Elia of Dorne," they all heard Ser Gregor say, when they were close enough to kiss. His deep voice boomed within the helm. "I killed her screaming whelp." He thrust his free hand into Oberyn's unprotected face, pushing steel fingers into his eyes. "Then I raped her." Clegane slammed his fist into the Dornishman's mouth, making splinters of his teeth. "Then I smashed her ****ing head in. Like this." As he drew back his huge fist, the blood on his gauntlet seemed to smoke in the cold dawn air. There was a sickening crunch. Ellaria Sand wailed in terror, and Tyrion's breakfast came boiling back up. He found himself on his knees retching bacon and sausage and applecakes, and that double helping of fried eggs cooked up with onions and fiery Dornish peppers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,383 ✭✭✭Daith




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,066 ✭✭✭Washington Irving


    That was glorious. The fight could have been a bit longer but what we got was brilliant. Absolutely did it justice.

    Not sure about the changes, but the scenes at The Eyrie were great. Looking forward to more 'Alayne' less Sansa.

    Thought Arya's laugh was a bit weird. Her scenes have been quite polarising for me. Killing of Rorge and Polliver were two of the highlights of the season, but some of the lines to the farmer and his daughter along with that laugh felt very jarring and out of place. I'd prefer a more stoic Arya.

    Grey Worm and Missandei... why?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,880 ✭✭✭TimeToShine


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Why are you putting that in spoilers? This is the thread for people who have read the books. :confused:

    I was just going with the flow!


  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I've just decided I can live with this particular pointless arc if Natalie Emmanuel gets a few more nude scenes :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Soft Falling Rain


    Arya has been stoic for long enough. Her laughter was simply a release of how many times she has come close to some sort of fortune only for it to blow up in her face.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,066 ✭✭✭Washington Irving


    From reddit:

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    It's the little details


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭Burt Macklin


    ''Some men die squatting over chamber pots''

    Turns and looks straight into the camera like he's on the Office.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,511 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Should definitely post the Royce pic^ over on the non reader thread to show them how connected it all is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,076 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    Ended up fast forwarding the Grey Worm romantic bit, it's so boring. I loved the ending, even the beetle story which was probably wrote in to give Tyrion something to do before his fate was decided.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Soft Falling Rain


    I don't mind the Greyworm stuff, at least you can call it a love story that's authentic for once (no dick, cmon).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,066 ✭✭✭Washington Irving


    Blay wrote: »
    Should definitely post the Royce pic^ over on the non reader thread to show them how connected it all is.

    Done. Hopefully I don't end up like the original High Septon for being a book reader :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Sarz91


    Well, eating dinner through that fight scene was tough. I knew exactly what was coming but my hand just kept shovelling food into my mouth. I'm not half way through dinner yet but that's it for me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    I thought Daeny was refusing to look at Jorah. She literally couldn't bear to lay eyes on him. Least that's the way I read the scene.

    Arya laughing had me laughing along. Nicely showing the progressive hopelessness of her situation.

    Mountain/Viper was animal, though could have done with another minute or two. In the book didn't Oberyn break a spear off in Cleganes chest though, and Clegane impales him on it? I have a whole thing in my head where Oberyn dies laying his head on Cleganes chest.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Son0vagun


    Arya laughing was like it was a blooper, was a bit weird.


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