Tax Changes under a Sinn Féin Government

Iwasfrozen · 01-06-2014 10:48PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Have you anything to say to me?

About what?

tayto lover · 01-06-2014 10:49PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

About what?

About your earlier accusation.

Iwasfrozen · 01-06-2014 10:50PM

tayto lover wrote: »

About your earlier accusation.

Well let's see, do you agree with lastlight that globalisation has been a "disaster" and that it is "destroying communities?"

Phoebas · 01-06-2014 10:51PM

Lastlight. wrote: »

Tower Hamlets for starters. It is a bigger issue in England.

Is Tower Hamlets the example you're going with as a community that has been 'destroyed' by 'large uncontrolled immigration from the EU'?
Seriously?

tayto lover · 01-06-2014 10:53PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Well let's see, do you agree with lastlight that globalisation has been a "disaster" and that it is "destroying communities?"

You didn't need that answer to make your accusation and I don't agree with him.

Iwasfrozen · 01-06-2014 11:03PM

tayto lover wrote: »

You didn't need that answer to make your accusation and I don't agree with him.

Then no, I have nothing to say to you.

tayto lover · 01-06-2014 11:06PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Then no, I have nothing to say to you.

A very cowardly response but I shouldn't really have expected anything less.

Iwasfrozen · 01-06-2014 11:07PM

tayto lover wrote: »

A very cowardly response but I shouldn't really have expected anything less.

Charming, don't respond to me again.

tayto lover · 01-06-2014 11:08PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Charming, don't respond to me again.

You have let yourself down big-time. Not man enough to admit your mistake?

Lastlight. · 01-06-2014 11:57PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Is Tower Hamlets the example you're going with as a community that has been 'destroyed' by 'large uncontrolled immigration from the EU'?
Seriously?

Yes.

Phoebas · 02-06-2014 12:12AM

Lastlight. wrote: »

Yes.

Perhaps you could explain in what way Tower Hamlets has been destroyed by 'large uncontrolled immigration from the EU'?
It appears to have a quite modest number of EU immigrants - did it get a particularly bad batch who 'destroyed' the place or what?

Iwasfrozen · 02-06-2014 12:39AM

Phoebas wrote: »

Perhaps you could explain in what way Tower Hamlets has been destroyed by 'large uncontrolled immigration from the EU'?
It appears to have a quite modest number of EU immigrants - did it get a particularly bad batch who 'destroyed' the place or what?

Frankly I'd like to know why an incredibly rich area with lots of sky scrapers has been "destroyed", it seems to be doing pretty alright to me.

pO1Neil · 02-06-2014 03:51AM

bumper234 wrote: »

And watch the mass exodus of trained/qualified workers as you bring this tax in.

Then we train more less greedy ones & we can have our democratic socialist paradise. Maybe 48 is a little too high I wouldn't mind getting charged 40% tax for 100K

Iwasfrozen · 02-06-2014 05:34AM

pO1Neil wrote: »

Then we train more less greedy ones & we can have our democratic socialist paradise. Maybe 48 is a little too high I wouldn't mind getting charged 40% tax for 100K

Because socialist utopianism has worked out so well in the past.

Keep dreaming pal SF have shown in the past they are not above implementing austerity when directed to by a higher authority. Just replace UK government with Troika and you have the same thing.

Phoebas · 02-06-2014 07:55AM

pO1Neil wrote: »

Then we train more less greedy ones & we can have our democratic socialist paradise. Maybe 48 is a little too high I wouldn't mind getting charged 40% tax for 100K

You're advocating a reduction of the tax burden there; a person on €100k currently pays more than that in tax, prsi and usc.

kippy · 02-06-2014 08:15AM

WakeUp wrote: »

No they dont, unless you subscribe to Brutons belief that we should put up with another ten years of austerity "we" as he says what does he or anyone of his ilk know or ever will know about austerity. People should not accept another ten years of this is he off his head. Ive looked at Sinn Feins economic policies briefly I do have issues with some of them but that is for another time. The decisions you alude too in the above are in many ways/some completely - influenced by austerity induced defacto instructions, there are other ways,
the gloves need to come off they should have been taken off a long time ago. We have been waiting for the markets/external forces to put us back on track the past six years and after following every instruction handed down to us pretty much to the letter where we could, its hasnt worked. and it wont. because that kind of approach is out of our hands. Getting a write down of the bank debt would be a start and a big help. We need to start forcing issues and start forcing them now. Apparently the IMF and European commission are "sympathetic" to our case for retroactive debt relief, I would questin that but apprently they are.

The European central bank is not. That is who need to focus on.

We can start by withdrawing our support for the proposed European banking Union which will place all eurozone banks under the all knowing all caring supervision of the ECB. phuck that. till we get our deal. I also want the ECB to release the Lennihan letter. The ECB is of the following view "that it was appropriate that the letter would not be disclosed at this time but indicated that it will reevaluate disclosure of the letter at a more advanced stage of post-programme surveillance.” post programme surveillance they say.that isnt good enough, release that letter.The magic cure was available when the banks needed bailing out. Its high time to take these people on properly.

Cost of babk bailout 64 billion. Cost of budget deficit debt 120 odd billion.
Total debt 180 odd billion.
What exactly makes you think letting the banks keel over was the magic cure?

the_syco · 02-06-2014 08:16AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

why tax it though, you would have to administer it etc, simply cut it and reduce it the longer you are on it, fairly sharpish in my opinion, with the exception of current crisis like we are emerging from, where it the length of time before it gets cut, could be increased...

Cutting welfare is a big no-no in this country, it would seem. Taxing it seems to be a way around it, however?

bumper234 wrote: »

I know more unemployed Irish people than non Irish people. 10 years ago the non Irish took the **** jobs that Irish felt was beneath them. Now they all still have jobs and pretty decent wages while i here Irish "friends" whinge about foreigners taking all of the jobs.

Could you give an example of these no-Irish jobs? I was unemployed for a stint 8 years ago. Did some part-time work cleaning in a local university (working with Irish people) for a while until I got some full-time work. To this day, I don't know what jobs the Irish wouldn't take?

bumper234 · 02-06-2014 10:25AM

pO1Neil wrote: »

Then we train more less greedy ones & we can have our democratic socialist paradise. Maybe 48 is a little too high I wouldn't mind getting charged 40% tax for 100K

Hundreds of nurses leave Ireland every year to go to countries that pay them better, are you saying these nurses are greedy because they don't stay and feel the pain? How do you train someone to have decades of experience? Will you just pluck some bright young thing out of surgical college to become Ireland's next top neurosurgeon? I always knew shinner supporters were a deluded bunch when it came to economics but i thank you for clarifying it for all to see.

steddyeddy · 02-06-2014 10:30AM

bumper234 wrote: »

Hundreds of nurses leave Ireland every year to go to countries that pay them better, are you saying these nurses are greedy because they don't stay and feel the pain? How do you train someone to have decades of experience? Will you just pluck some bright young thing out of surgical college to become Ireland's next top neurosurgeon? I always knew shinner supporters were a deluded bunch when it came to economics but i thank you for clarifying it for all to see.

The nurses are leaving because of cuts to frontline services and the effect austerity has had on their jobs. One minute you're pro austerity the next you aren't? Would you reverse the cuts making the nurses leave?

bumper234 · 02-06-2014 10:38AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

The nurses are leaving because of cuts to frontline services and the effect austerity has had on their jobs. One minute you're pro austerity the next you aren't? Would you reverse the cuts making the nurses leave?

He said people who are not happy with the wage being offered and who choose to leave the country are greedy and easily replaced, I am asking him if he thinks the nurses who are not happy with the wage are greedy for heading to another country.

steddyeddy · 02-06-2014 10:41AM

bumper234 wrote: »

He said people who are not happy with the wage being offered and who choose to leave the country are greedy and easily replaced, I am asking him if he thinks the nurses who are not happy with the wage are greedy for heading to another country.

So they should be paid more?

bumper234 · 02-06-2014 10:48AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

So they should be paid more?

Of course they should be paid more, I never said they shouldn't be paid more. Because they are earning **** money they head abroad (mostly to the UK) to get decent wages. If shinners raise taxes to the rate he is on about then many highly skilled workers will do the exact same thing and relocate to a country where they will earn what they are worth, this does not make them greedy, just practical. Chasing the top talent out of the country by hitting them with ridiculous amounts of tax will not solve anything.

steddyeddy · 02-06-2014 10:53AM

bumper234 wrote: »

Of course they should be paid more, I never said they shouldn't be paid more. Because they are earning **** money they head abroad (mostly to the UK) to get decent wages. If shinners raise taxes to the rate he is on about then many highly skilled workers will do the exact same thing and relocate to a country where they will earn what they are worth, this does not make them greedy, just practical. Chasing the top talent out of the country by hitting them with ridiculous amounts of tax will not solve anything.

I don't get you. One minute you are pro austerity the next you're anti austerity. We either need to make cuts or we don't. I'm highly trained and higher tax over 100k wouldn't put me off.

Idbatterim · 02-06-2014 10:56AM

Of course they should be paid more, I never said they shouldn't be paid more. Because they are earning **** money they head abroad (mostly to the UK) to get decent wages. If shinners raise taxes to the rate he is on about then many highly skilled workers will do the exact same thing and relocate to a country where they will earn what they are worth, this does not make them greedy, just practical. Chasing the top talent out of the country by hitting them with ridiculous amounts of tax will not solve anything.

This is already happening though, I think some people think its only a bluff from a vested interest. The cost to a company of paying an employee over the marginal rate is 62.65% i.e. for every thousand you work for and the company pays you, the government get nearly 63%!!! 52% PAYE, PRSI, USC and also 10.75% employers PRSI...

bumper234 · 02-06-2014 10:58AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I don't get you. One minute you are pro austerity the next you're anti austerity. We either need to make cuts or we don't. I'm highly trained and higher tax over 100k wouldn't put me off.

I am pro austerity.

I believe pensions should be cut.

I believe dole should be cut.

I believe single parents should be means tested and checked up on

I believe childrens allowance should be means tested.

I don't think hitting people with more tax will help and certainly the shinner "Tax the rich" program is doomed to failure. You say you would be ok paying 55% 60% 70% taxes on your salary? :rolleyes:

Idbatterim · 02-06-2014 11:01AM

I believe childrens allowance should be means tested.

I don't think hitting people with more tax will help and certainly the shinner "Tax the rich" program is doomed to failure. You say you would be ok paying 55% 60% 70% taxes on your salary?

I dont believe with means testing child benefit at all. Who is it going to be taken away from? those contributing already sick amounts of tax and getting nothing in return.

as finances improve I would remove means testing for pretty much everything, the only thing the unemployed would be "entitled" to would be a roof over their head and a cash payment (which would be reduced over time and fairly quickly when the economy is doing well)

Curly Judge · 02-06-2014 11:01AM

If SF are silly enough to put these proposals to the voters they won't get elected.
The cost of running this country is way too high.

michael999999 · 02-06-2014 11:02AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I don't get you. One minute you are pro austerity the next you're anti austerity. We either need to make cuts or we don't. I'm highly trained and higher tax over 100k wouldn't put me off.

The guy is on a wind up. He's against people on welfare, yet has no problems serving for the biggest family of scroungers around in the royal family!

Idbatterim · 02-06-2014 11:06AM

If SF are silly enough to put these proposals to the voters they won't get elected.
The cost of running this country is way too high.

I would say the amount of informed voters here rather than the knee jerk ones, would be less than 20%. If there were logic to voting, would FF see this kind of resurgence a wet week after bringing the place to its knees?

michael999999 · 02-06-2014 11:19AM

Curly Judge wrote: »

If SF are silly enough to put these proposals to the voters they won't get elected.
The cost of running this country is way too high.

Ya thanks to fianna fail bailing out Bertie aherns crooked friends. But let's forget that and vote them in again. The stupidity of some people never ceases to amaze me.

Michael martin must be having a great laugh at fianna fail voters!

Tax Changes under a Sinn Féin Government

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