Manchester United Superthread 2014 mod warning #8081

I don't think anyone's showing any sentimentality to carrick, I just think if you're ousting him based on underperforming then there's the argument that other CM's at the club should be out the door ahead of them because they aren't any better than squad players either.

zerks wrote: »

Cleverleys performances have been on a par with Carrick this past season & he's been crucified on virtually every medium known to man.So if we want to keep a squad player,do we keep a guy heading for 33 or a lad who's 25

I made that point a few posts ago. But as things stand, with no other CM's signed, if we're earmarking players for the door Fletch is first for me and then Cleverly.

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

That's a fair point.

But Cleverley hopefully can get this magic he has, Fellaini really has not really had a fair crack yet and Fletcher to me is better.

They ain't great options going on last season but I think somebody will have to make way if we are going get 2 new faces at CM.

I would choose Carrick for the reasons I stated. The others can offer more in different areas and situations.

I don't think Fletcher brings much of anything anymore, particularly when you consider just what it was he brought when he was at his peak. And if we're talking about not allowing sentimentality to cloud our judgement on playing staff then, harsh and all as it is, he's a prime example.

To me, if Cleverly was going to be a player who has the ability to showcase this quick passing and creative linkup play in the final third that he threatened to do so then we should be seeing it a lot more by now. Not necessarily every week but it was alright to say he had the possibility to develop into a good player when he'd do it in preseason when he was 21/22 because there was a chance he could gain the consistency needed but at 24/25 now I think that chance has dramatically reduced and there's as good a chance we'll be making the same complaints about him 4 years from now than we are praising his improvement.

Fellaini I'd keep obviously, no point in giving up on him just yet considering the money outplayed.

As I said above, while we are still yet to sign another CM, there are others I'd want rid of before Carrick.

Timmyctc wrote: »

The fact is Cleverly and Fletcher have consistently offered much less than Carrick the past 2 /3 seasons. I have no sentimentality towards Carrick. Zerks clearly has an agenda against him. If you don't like 5 yard passes sideways you should be slating Cleverly too. Was it not him that proclaimed recently that the fans in England dont appreciate what he does and if he was in Spain fans would be applauding sideways passes etc.

Also its a myth that Carrick isn't a good passer. In the past three seasons he has more than shown he is capable of playing great balls forward.

No agenda against Carrick,I just don't see how he's lauded as this amazing player.In years to come,people will still be talking about Keane,Robson,Ronaldo,not Michael Carrick.Once he's gone,he'll be forgotten and just another name on the list of those who played for the club.
I've given Cleverley as much stick as anyone here,I've praised Carrick for good performances but I hate the many times he gets a ball in space and automatically looks for the "safe" option,it's as if he's afraid of the responsibility of carrying the game to opposing teams.Look at how he comes into his own when we are 3 or 4 up yet when the going gets tough he's notable by his absence.

For anyone staying up late tonight, Looking For Eric is on Film4 at 1.35am.

Schwiiing wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/manchester-united-transfer-news-united-consider-clubrecord-48m-bid-for-atletico-madrid-midfielder-koke-as-louis-van-gaal-begins-restructuring-9460085.html

I'd love for this to be true even if 48m is hugely steep.

Its his release clause unfortunately.

Schwiiing wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/manchester-united-transfer-news-united-consider-clubrecord-48m-bid-for-atletico-madrid-midfielder-koke-as-louis-van-gaal-begins-restructuring-9460085.html

I'd love for this to be true even if 48m is hugely steep.

Not a chance Koke will be sold, to anyone.

lordgoat wrote: »

I disagree. While it's very unlikely if Madrid were offered 60M it would be very difficult to turn down. Even 50M is a massive amount for a player that you could have bought last season for 20-25M.

This summer will see some crazy transfers imo.

Don't think so. Ateli have a lot of money coming there way already with CL and La Liga money, so much so that they don't need to sell for the first time in years. Koke is a lifelong Atleti supporter, been there since he was a child. He is very young, tied to a long term contract and said he doesn't want to leave as recently as a week ago. They can afford to keep him for at least 2 more seasons and still cash in on him and arguably get more if he continues to develop as a player. Atleti are no fools and are in absolutely no rush to sell. I also think he should want CL football at this stage of his development, I just can't see him leaving this year. Similar situation when Chelsea triggered Aguero's release clause, people thought Atleti were obliged to sell. They kept him another year and got more for him from CIty.

Officer999 wrote: »

Is it any good?

BTW,while getting this clip,I spotted that the whole movie is on Youtube.

scudzilla wrote: »

For actually being there, would have to be the 1-0 win over Everton in the Cup Final in 85, was stood right at the back behind the goal which Whiteside scored in, hanging onto a roof support like a monkey. Place went nuts

For not being there, the final few minutes at The Nou Camp in 99

I was only fecking 8 for d CL final in 99 for me it was 08 CL final - me and the brother (Chelsea fan) sitting down watching it together and me going fcuking mad

Daniel Taylor is really trying to piss us off,even using the phrase "Deja vu of last Summer".

The old list is gone and we have a new one.