Tax Changes under a Sinn Féin Government

Idbatterim · 31-05-2014 02:07PM

we have the most generous benifits system in the world, people can argue all they want about it, but its the reality.

relatively yes, by a long way!

and you know what, good luck to them, but at the same time tax payers dont have to be happy about it.

i was on holiday a couple of years back and met an eastern european family. she was a "single" mam but actually lived with the father of the child. in the eyes of the law, their relationship didnt exist.

yeah, you have to blame the system, if it wasnt open for abuse, it wouldnt be... Do you blame the politicians or us for standing by and allowing it?

steddyeddy · 31-05-2014 02:08PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Aengus o snotface was involved in an alleged printer toner scandal, what's your point?

That both should be punished. What's your point?

tayto lover · 31-05-2014 02:08PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Anytime someone makes a post like this regarding the tender process always makes me smile, it just proves you don't have a single ****ing clue about how the process works and just shows your inability to process information.

:pac:
We'll make sure we require tenders and then give it to Denis.

bumper234 · 31-05-2014 02:08PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I can indeed be matey, the Govt cannot do that. That would not be above board.
Anyway I would not get it done by a friend as we could end up falling out over it.

And they don't

steddyeddy · 31-05-2014 02:08PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Who says i haven't?

Why are you so defensive. Just offering a suggestion.

bumper234 · 31-05-2014 02:09PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

That both should be punished. What's your point?

Was he punished?

Elmo · 31-05-2014 02:10PM

It not how they tax it is how they spend the tax.

Irish Water is a good example of a government ineptitude and overspend.

It would be fairer to fix the leaks and then set up a Quango if one was required.

LPT was also badly implemented and was also able to show how there is no joined up thinking, when the LPT release a unique ID for each property and EirCode is set up to issue another unique ID for each property.

Stop wasting time and money.

bumper234 · 31-05-2014 02:10PM

tayto lover wrote: »

:pac:
We'll make sure we require tenders and then give it to Denis.

Why don't you explain the tender process to us all then and explain how it was fixed for D O'B to get the contract?

steddyeddy · 31-05-2014 02:11PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Was he punished?

No but he should of been. Why are you asking me all this?

kippy · 31-05-2014 02:11PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Are figures available for the amount of people earning over certain amounts? should be easy to work the figures out if it is.

Without even looking though, I doubt they will come anywhere close to the €10b hole that needs plugging.

MLMD had a number of questions in to the various ministers on the topic.
As far as I recall the gross savings weren't that big and the net savings just over half that.

LostBoy101 · 31-05-2014 02:11PM

If Sinn Fein get into government they will do the exact same thing they did up in the North. Increase property tax, water charges etc.. They are not the answer to our problems and I would love to see them put under pressure when they really have to make decisions.

kippy · 31-05-2014 02:15PM

LostBoy101 wrote: »

If Sinn Fein get into government they will do the exact same thing they did up in the North. Increase property tax, water charges etc.. They are not the answer to our problems and I would love to see them put under pressure when they really have to make decisions.

The real issue is the lack of realistic expectations among the general populace.
There is no magic cure to getting 400K people off social welfare, reforming the civil and public service, reducing the current fiscal deficit (A few Billion), and reducing our debt of circa 180 BILLION. Particularily when a lot of the "low hanging fruit" has been plucked at this point.

Pretty much the same overall decisions need to be made no matter who is in government.

Guy:Incognito · 31-05-2014 02:23PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Denis O Brien was involved in a alleged contract scandal that's why.

and members of SF were allegedly involved in murders.

I'll take the contract scandal thanks.

Your one sentence doesn't answer all the questions in my post btw.

tayto lover · 31-05-2014 02:24PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Why don't you explain the tender process to us all then and explain how it was fixed for D O'B to get the contract?

Like ESAT it's probably just coincidence

steddyeddy · 31-05-2014 02:24PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

and members of SF were allegedly involved in murders.

I'll take the contract scandal thanks.

Well if that's how you do business I'll stay away so.

bumper234 · 31-05-2014 02:25PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Like ESAT it's probably just coincidence

Translated: I haven't a clue about it so I cannot explain it :rolleyes:

steddyeddy · 31-05-2014 02:26PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Translated: I haven't a clue about it so I cannot explain it :rolleyes:

Explain it so.

tayto lover · 31-05-2014 02:26PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Translated: I haven't a clue about it so I cannot explain it :rolleyes:

Jobs for the boys is Ireland 2014.

LostBoy101 · 31-05-2014 02:30PM

kippy wrote: »

The real issue is the lack of realistic expectations among the general populace.
There is no magic cure to getting 400K people off social welfare, reforming the civil and public service, reducing the current fiscal deficit (A few Billion), and reducing our debt of circa 180 BILLION. Particularily when a lot of the "low hanging fruit" has been plucked at this point.

Pretty much the same overall decisions need to be made no matter who is in government.

Agreed. The Social Welfare is a minefield and has many loopholes that has been exploited.

The French tried to do a quick fix by increasing income tax on the rich and it has back fired because they just leave and say "**** you I take my money elsewhere"

Guy:Incognito · 31-05-2014 02:30PM

LostBoy101 wrote: »

If Sinn Fein get into government they will do the exact same thing they did up in the North. Increase property tax, water charges etc.. They are not the answer to our problems and I would love to see them put under pressure when they really have to make decisions.

Of course they wouldn't do that. It's all the other politicians that lie to get votes, not them.

tayto lover · 31-05-2014 02:33PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Of course they wouldn't do that. It's all the other politicians that lie to get votes, not them.

Yes indeed didn't Labour learn that lesson recently.

harry Bailey esq · 31-05-2014 02:34PM

Barely There wrote: »

Jesus, they're a bunch of economic illiterates and magic bean salesmen.

so pierce doherty is an economic illiterate,magic bean salesman?

bumper234 · 31-05-2014 02:41PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Jobs for the boys is Ireland 2014.

No proof so make scurrilous accusations to deflect from your lack of knowledge

bumper234 · 31-05-2014 02:42PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Explain it so.

I'm not the one making accusations of wrongdoing in the tender process

steddyeddy · 31-05-2014 02:45PM

bumper234 wrote: »

I'm not the one making accusations of wrongdoing in the tender process

In other words you haven't a clue.

bumper234 · 31-05-2014 02:49PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

In other words you haven't a clue.

I know quite a bit about the tender process as i oversee them in my job. He is the one making idiotic posts about the process so let's hear his explaination as to how Dennis O'Brien managed to get the tenders for the water meters through his friends in FF/FG or whereever.

tayto lover · 31-05-2014 02:53PM

bumper234 wrote: »

No proof so make scurrilous accusations to deflect from your lack of knowledge

Cronyism -- increased with FG.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/tds-break-cronyism-pledge-by-giving-jobs-to-family-members-26740285.html
http://www.politicalworld.org/showthread.php?7547-Fine-Gael-and-Cronyism#.U4ndCvldWSo

Quangos -- increased by FG

http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2012/11/04/revealed-the-new-quangos-created-by-the-government-since-march-2011/
http://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5127210

Contracts -- So who's afraid of Denis O'Brien?
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/so-whos-afraid-of-denis-obrien-enda-kenny-is-26782500.html

michael999999 · 31-05-2014 02:55PM

bumper234 wrote: »

And i know of 3 who are getting all of the benefits and have their partners (working full time jobs) living with them so it does go on. Let's means test the **** out of the dole and all other welfare payments before taxing the people who keep this country alive.

And what about your beloved Elizabeth, that your so proud to serve. How much does she get every year from the British tax payer.

Bloody hell!

bumper234 · 31-05-2014 02:59PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Cronyism -- increased with FG.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/tds-break-cronyism-pledge-by-giving-jobs-to-family-members-26740285.html
http://www.politicalworld.org/showthread.php?7547-Fine-Gael-and-Cronyism#.U4ndCvldWSo

Quangos -- increased by FG

http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2012/11/04/revealed-the-new-quangos-created-by-the-government-since-march-2011/
http://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5127210

Contracts -- So who's afraid of Denis O'Brien?
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/so-whos-afraid-of-denis-obrien-enda-kenny-is-26782500.html

Yeah

So when can i expect your well written post explaining how O"Brien managed to fix the tender process for himself to get the water meter contract? You did after all bring him up and claim jobs for the boys.

Elmo · 31-05-2014 03:01PM

bumper234 wrote: »

I know quite a bit about the tender process as i oversee them in my job. He is the one making idiotic posts about the process so let's hear his explaination as to how Dennis O'Brien managed to get the tenders for the water meters through his friends in FF/FG or whereever.

Why don't you explain the tendering process that over saw the idea of putting the cart before the horse?

Sometimes I don't care who gets the job as long as it is done right.

Tax Changes under a Sinn Féin Government

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